Thumbs down for Thai govt's proposed single Internet gateway

[balo]

Of course it had to end like this. Thais would never accept to lose their access to line, FB and porn.

[khunken]

This would take Thailand backwards to the late 90's when CAT was the only organisation allowed to have a gateway to the internet outside the country. It was horrendously slow (but that was mainly in the dial-up days) and went down periodically.

It & the firewall should be sent to the nearest waste disposal location with re-education for those who proposed them.

[Alwyn]

As the single internet gateway crashes and nobody has internet, I can see the General now "it's not us, it's those foreign devils, they don't understand"... "we are the hub"!!

[micksterbs]

Can't see this being any practical use for Thailand and it certainly get's my THUMBS DOWN!

[micksterbs]

Who ever said that this was for the benefit of Thailand? It's only intended to be useful for a tiny percentage of the Thai population...

[Shaunduhpostman]

It seems the government has little to no understanding or even concern about how much the economy and the country depends on this key infrastructure system to any modern nation. What, were the plans drawn up on a dinner napkin and presented as such the very next day? Seems they reckon the internet is only used for a bit of chat and a few games. And of course those things are important too, but what is really scary is how tied in so much of the economy and business transactions are totally internet dependent and depend on a functioning internet. The internet is probably so complexly intertwined with everything, I am sure no one really knows what affect launching a single gateway will have. Yet these guys seem to have no idea nor care not one whit about that and are willing to start wagering on really long odds that they will be able to make it all work. It takes little more than a semi-informed view on how the human life on this planet works in 21st century and grain of common sense to see a single gateway is not going to work to put it mildly.

And for what? As for controlling what people say and see on the internet, for anyone even semi-determined they can use encryption along with a few other tools to bore right through the Great Fire Wall of China, so I think Thailand is going to be hard pressed to stop people from accessing content and otherwise doing as they please on the net. There are detailed instructions on other threads on this very website about how to do that and it is not rocket science and will only get easier as more and more people worldwide face obstacles to internet access presented by over-reaching governments. And as I understand it, even just using a VPN (Virtual Private Network) the government or anyone cannot even detect your presence on the internet let alone read or see what you are doing if you don't post anything on sites they have been given access to or easy access to. In fact, the United Nations themselves recommend that anyone using the internet now use a VPN to avoid problems such internet crime and human rights violations by our various sundry self-appointed caretakers throughout the planet.

So, to my luddite mind, it seems then the only way these entities can limit us is by bottlenecking the internet. They cannot detect us if we exercise due dilligence and mask our presence, but guessing we are going to be there if given the bandwidth, they can just make the whole system semi-unuseable and shut people down that way. Unfortunately that semi-unuseability may include the the whole intenet dependent financial system. And of course they cannot just announce that their intention is just to narrow everyone's bandwidth, that would create a strong reaction, so better to just cook the frogs to death slowly by gradually raising the heat this way with the excuse of incompetence or sorry it was all a mistake in the planning and send the scapegoats off to inactive posts.

From the article it seems the junta is unable or unwilling to work with people who have a clue about internet, and that is just par for the course, they seem to know it all and have all the answers. What they are proposing seems to be tied in with and will affect nearly every avenue of this economy, nation and society. So, what's up next, a nuclear plant powered electricity grid for the country planned by the main junta genius honchos off the cuff one afternoon during a coffee break down at the golf course?

Edited September 28, 2015 by Shaunduhpostman

[NotMyUsualid]

They are just dreaming, they do not have the skills or people to make this wall.!

They can just hire some technicians from China and let them do it for them

Thats right!

In telecoms, all you need is money, and hired guns (like myself) come along and do the hard part....

[ggt]

This is simply a thinly vailed attempt for government control, snooping, and censorship of the internet..freedom of expression and surfing will be forever lost...ultimately the internet police will be knocking on doors sighting some perceived infraction of slander to government officials or monarchy...IMHO

[connda]

[quandow]

I am totally against a "Great Firewall of Thailand." This seems more in line with governments like China and North Korea has.

I thought this government 's aim is/was to diminish corruption/nepotism, and ultimately increase democratic principles. Good chance I am incorrect in my assertion.

Silly selftaopath, you just don't understand the ways of Thainess.

[farangmick]

I am totally against a "Great Firewall of Thailand." This seems more in line with governments like China and North Korea has.

I thought this government 's aim is/was to diminish corruption/nepotism, and ultimately increase democratic principles. Good chance I am incorrect in my assertion.

Very good chance.

[farangmick]

I am totally against a "Great Firewall of Thailand." This seems more in line with governments like China and North Korea has.

I thought this government 's aim is/was to diminish corruption/nepotism, and ultimately increase democratic principles. Good chance I am incorrect in my assertion.

Very good chance.

[farangmick]

Of course it had to end like this. Thais would never accept to lose their access to line, FB and porn.

Ten million Thais taking to the streets demanding access to the online "friends" they have never met. (With my wife in front!)

[62strat]

This has already happened,, doing a pathway trace on my True internet confirms it goes through CAT before leaving the country.... it's not under consideration, it's here now.

[62strat]

http://www.telecomasia.net/content/thailand-army-top-brass-head-cat-board

[cyberfarang]

I give this a thumbs down and a two fingers up.

Try this link, those who cannot access the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/index.html

[phazey]

Nothing but posts by scaremongering paranoia addicts so far. Something like this is inevitable, and if done right, you probably wont notice......

Done wrong -yeah, the internet will be shitty.

I used to run The "Great/A bit <deleted>" firewall of Myanmar, It's all about budget and management of info teams

[Time Traveller]

I wonder why the geeks never protested against the Lese Majeste law before? We all know that's what this is about. Typical selfish people don't care about anyone else until the law affects them.

Sadly for Thailand. But the bright side is other places will benefit from Thailand's step backward. Every problem creates an opportunity and this single gateway could be a great opportunity.

Viva la gateway !

Edited September 28, 2015 by Time Traveller

[rubl]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

[baboon]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

Which Western democracy has a single gateway? Which Western democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Exactly, so don't talk crap.

[MaiChai]

You have to ask yourself why you have two eyes, ears, kidneys, lungs? Because if you had one and it broke you would be stuffed! Same with an internet gateway. This is about controlling the population and nothing else.

Multiple paths provide capacity and resilience. It also provides efficient routing.

A single path make it very easy for the government to filter, block and control. In reality a single gateway would in reality have many nodes. A single solution would not be able to handle the capacity.

[rubl]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

Which Western democracy has a single gateway? Which Western democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Exactly, so don't talk crap.

Western countries are much more sophisticated. Their technological base allows spying without the need to have only a single gateway..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/trillions_in_surveillance_gchq/

[maidee]

will it stop the TERRORISTS?

[baboon]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

Which Western democracy has a single gateway? Which Western democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Exactly, so don't talk crap.

Western countries are much more sophisticated. Their technological base allows spying without the need to have only a single gateway..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/trillions_in_surveillance_gchq/

Yeah yeah. Which western democracy a single gateway? Which less sophisticated eastern democracy has a single gateway, for that matter? Which western or eastern democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Which western or eastern democracy spies on their citizens in order to assist in the continuation of that country's military rule?

[rubl]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

Which Western democracy has a single gateway? Which Western democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Exactly, so don't talk crap.

Western countries are much more sophisticated. Their technological base allows spying without the need to have only a single gateway..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/trillions_in_surveillance_gchq/

Yeah yeah. Which western democracy a single gateway? Which less sophisticated eastern democracy has a single gateway, for that matter? Which western or eastern democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Which western or eastern democracy spies on their citizens in order to assist in the continuation of that country's military rule?

Yeah, yeah, did you forget to mention you olny wanted those Western Democracies which have nice weather at the moment?

So, some Western Countries do not require a single Internet Gateway since they're sophisticated enough to be able to handle multiple gateways simultaneously. Of course those Western Democracies do not jail anyone unduly. They just snoop on you to make you feel safe. Big Brother watching (over) you as it were.

Edited September 29, 2015 by rubl

[baboon]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

Which Western democracy has a single gateway? Which Western democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Exactly, so don't talk crap.

Western countries are much more sophisticated. Their technological base allows spying without the need to have only a single gateway..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/trillions_in_surveillance_gchq/

Yeah yeah. Which western democracy a single gateway? Which less sophisticated eastern democracy has a single gateway, for that matter? Which western or eastern democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Which western or eastern democracy spies on their citizens in order to assist in the continuation of that country's military rule?

Yeah, yeah, did you forget to mention you olny wanted those Western Democracies which have nice weather at the moment?

So, some Western Countries do not require a single Internet Gateway since they're sophisticated enough to be able to handle multiple gateways simultaneously. Of course those Western Democracies do not jail anyone unduly. They just snoop on you to make you feel safe. Big Brother watching (over) you as it were.

You say some Western Countries do not require a single Internet gateway. Which ones do and have?

Which Western Countries jail people for years on lese majeste charges?

Don't even bother with your nonsense comments about the weather. No-one is interested and it just highlights the absurdity of your non argument.

[MaxLee]

Between 12.00 pm and 1.50 pm, did anyone notice that the internet was creepy slow? I couldn't even access Thaivisa for over an hour..... (facebook and twitter didn't work at all

Is this the BETA testing for the Great Firewall already????

[Jeremy50]

I give this a thumbs down and a two fingers up.

Try this link, those who cannot access the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/index.html

Thanks for showing me the 'forbidden page', Daily Mail reading morons can find it on tor.

[LarryBird]

It's a great idea if you wanna see Thailand go back to the stoneage.

[rubl]

It would seem the Great Thai Bamboo Wall is only a logical step in following Western Democracies.

For instances, like the British GCHQ with customer oriented attitude is present in their motto "we listen to what you say and type". Seems they stash away 50+ billion records on people EVERY bloody day. Can't see that happen in Thailand, no big enough DataCenter build yet.

Which Western democracy has a single gateway? Which Western democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Exactly, so don't talk crap.

Western countries are much more sophisticated. Their technological base allows spying without the need to have only a single gateway..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/trillions_in_surveillance_gchq/

Yeah yeah. Which western democracy a single gateway? Which less sophisticated eastern democracy has a single gateway, for that matter? Which western or eastern democracy jails people for years on lese majeste charges? Which western or eastern democracy spies on their citizens in order to assist in the continuation of that country's military rule?

Yeah, yeah, did you forget to mention you olny wanted those Western Democracies which have nice weather at the moment?

So, some Western Countries do not require a single Internet Gateway since they're sophisticated enough to be able to handle multiple gateways simultaneously. Of course those Western Democracies do not jail anyone unduly. They just snoop on you to make you feel safe. Big Brother watching (over) you as it were.

You say some Western Countries do not require a single Internet gateway. Which ones do and have?

Which Western Countries jail people for years on lese majeste charges?

Don't even bother with your nonsense comments about the weather. No-one is interested and it just highlights the absurdity of your non argument.

Oh come on Baboon. First you ask me which countries have a single Internet Gateway and now you demand I tell you which have multiple ones? Since even Thailand has multiple gateways (see OP) I assume that certainly Western Countries have multiple ones. Clear? News is when countries go for a single point of entry, again suggesting that's no longer common. Clear?

As for "Which Western Countries jail people for years on lese majeste charges?" who cares. The OP doesn't even mention LM, only the Computer Criminal Act. That's similar to what Western Countries have. furthermore unlike Thailand Western 'democracies' have no problem with in-house know-how and capital to do the snooping. Read a bit in the Snowden files and be happy.