2020 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 There are signs around the moat stating not to climb on the walls. But if you are not allowed to climb up and/ or around the walls, why do they have the stairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevecm Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 just for you. climb up, in the birthday suit, and let me know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I wouldn't worry about it. Doubt they enforce it. They don't enforce anything else.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If you mean the Tapae Gate it is a reconstruction. I don't remember the original as having stairs although the original of the outer wall may have had stairs. The actual original old sections are ancient monuments so if you are going to preserve it you can't have people climbing on it, same as any old structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If you mean the Tapae Gate it is a reconstruction. I don't remember the original as having stairs although the original of the outer wall may have had stairs. The actual original old sections are ancient monuments so if you are going to preserve it you can't have people climbing on it, same as any old structures. Are any original? I doubt it. Hope someone proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trujillo Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Check out the photos from the late 1800s: http://www.photoontour.com/SpecialPhotos_HTML/data_king_family/History/Lanna_Kingdom_sub_02_Lanna_Old_Photo01.htm Seems that there was quite a bit left at that time. My guess is that a lot of it is original and a lot of it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Loi Kroh Road hasn't changed much either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masuk Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 ...and the traffic hasn't improved one bit! Interesting pics, and I can see why it took teak logs some years to float down to BKK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Check out the photos from the late 1800s: http://www.photoontour.com/SpecialPhotos_HTML/data_king_family/History/Lanna_Kingdom_sub_02_Lanna_Old_Photo01.htm Seems that there was quite a bit left at that time. My guess is that a lot of it is original and a lot of it isn't. I wish the similar red clay rustic bricks in my garden would last more than just a few years Edited October 6, 2015 by MESmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinLOS Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Loi Kroh Road hasn't changed much either... I think a couple of them are still working there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If you mean the Tapae Gate it is a reconstruction. I don't remember the original as having stairs although the original of the outer wall may have had stairs. The actual original old sections are ancient monuments so if you are going to preserve it you can't have people climbing on it, same as any old structures. Are any original? I doubt it. Hope someone proves me wrong. All original apart from Tapae Gate. Some sections of the wall were "filled in" using a grant from the Japanese about 20 yrs ago. Interestingly it is the Japanese that took the walls apart in their efforts to build a road to Burma in the 2nd WW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Check out the photos from the late 1800s: http://www.photoontour.com/SpecialPhotos_HTML/data_king_family/History/Lanna_Kingdom_sub_02_Lanna_Old_Photo01.htm Seems that there was quite a bit left at that time. My guess is that a lot of it is original and a lot of it isn't. Top right photo is Tapae gate! Note the absence of McDonalds and Starbucks. Also absent are the Chinese taking selfies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Posted October 6, 2015 Author Share Posted October 6, 2015 just for you. climb up, in the birthday suit, and let me know how it goes. Oh I could'nt be bothered climbing up for a look. Just thought it was wierd they build stair but then you aren't allowed to use them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If you mean the Tapae Gate it is a reconstruction. I don't remember the original as having stairs although the original of the outer wall may have had stairs. The actual original old sections are ancient monuments so if you are going to preserve it you can't have people climbing on it, same as any old structures. Are any original? I doubt it. Hope someone proves me wrong. All original apart from Tapae Gate. Some sections of the wall were "filled in" using a grant from the Japanese about 20 yrs ago. Interestingly it is the Japanese that took the walls apart in their efforts to build a road to Burma in the 2nd WW Original from when? A quick web search indicates the walls were rebuilt around 1800 by Chao Kawila http://www.1stopchiangmai.com/articles/historical_chiangmai/ Not exactly "ancient". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMBob Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Original from when? A quick web search indicates the walls were rebuilt around 1800 by Chao Kawila The histories I've read confirm that Chiangmai and its walls were essentially destroyed due to decades and decades of attacks mainly by the Burmese and the city was essentially abandoned for 20+ years until the mid-1790's. And King Kawila (appointed by King Taksin to rule Chiangmai) started rebuilding the inner walls around 1800. And most of those walls that he rebuilt are gone and every gate has been rebuilt within the last 100 years (some within the last 30 years). Supposedly some of the bricks from the older walls were used for the rebuilding so perhaps some of the bricks of what's left of the walls/gates date from Kawila's time. For as long as I remember, those steps on the west side of Thaphae Gate were always there and people regularly climbed up there until a few (5-10?) years back when chains and signs were installed to stop that. I did notice last week, though, that the chains seemed to be gone (likely only temporarily if repairs are being made). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSteve Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The sign are fairly new. Up until a few years ago it wasn't a big issue. Seems there has been a recent influx of people that want to climb up, around, over, under without any regard... just for you. climb up, in the birthday suit, and let me know how it goes. Oh I could'nt be bothered climbing up for a look. Just thought it was wierd they build stair but then you aren't allowed to use them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Original from when? A quick web search indicates the walls were rebuilt around 1800 by Chao Kawila The histories I've read confirm that Chiangmai and its walls were essentially destroyed due to decades and decades of attacks mainly by the Burmese and the city was essentially abandoned for 20+ years until the mid-1790's. And King Kawila (appointed by King Taksin to rule Chiangmai) started rebuilding the inner walls around 1800. And most of those walls that he rebuilt are gone and every gate has been rebuilt within the last 100 years (some within the last 30 years). Supposedly some of the bricks from the older walls were used for the rebuilding so perhaps some of the bricks of what's left of the walls/gates date from Kawila's time. For as long as I remember, those steps on the west side of Thaphae Gate were always there and people regularly climbed up there until a few (5-10?) years back when chains and signs were installed to stop that. I did notice last week, though, that the chains seemed to be gone (likely only temporarily if repairs are being made). In the past 6 years I was able to go up and take a picture. Now I believe they have a grate across the top of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard2010 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Same thing was said early this year Nothing going to change Have to get used to it Unless all visitors told not welcome in Chiang Mai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 When you scale the moat walls, you can take an excellent pic of the female Chinese tourists in the crouch position - taking a much needed pee-pee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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