Kerry plan for Jerusalem site leaves many issues unanswered

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Kerry plan for Jerusalem site leaves many issues unanswered
By JOSEF FEDERMAN

JERUSALEM (AP) — John Kerry's latest Mideast mission has aimed for the modest goal of easing tensions around Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site — the focal point of more than a month of deadly unrest.

But the steps announced by the U.S. secretary of state over the weekend did little to address the deeper issues behind the fighting, disappointing the Palestinians and raising fears that even if calm is restored, it is just a matter of time before another round of violence erupts.

During a swing through the region, Kerry announced the steps on Saturday after several days of meetings with Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian leaders. The highlight was a Jordanian proposal to install surveillance cameras at the Jerusalem holy site that is known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary.

More than a month of violence has been fueled by Palestinian allegations that Israel is trying to change the delicate status quo at the site, which allows non-Muslims to visit but not pray.

The hilltop compound, home to the biblical Jewish Temples, is the holiest site in Judaism. Today, it is home to the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, the third-holiest site in Islam and a potent Palestinian national symbol.

While Israel has repeatedly said there are no plans to change this status quo, the Palestinian fears have been stoked by growing numbers of Jewish visitors, backed by some senior Israeli officials, who seek prayer rights and an expanded presence on the mount.

Addressing his Cabinet on Sunday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he "made clear" to Kerry that Israel is committed to preserving the status quo, and he welcomed the plan to install cameras.

"Israel has an interest in stationing cameras in all parts of the Temple Mount. First, in order to disprove the claim that Israel is changing the status quo. Second, to show where the provocations really come from and to foil them before they ever happen," he said.

Israeli officials said the plan was for Israeli police and officials from the Waqf, the Jordanian-backed religious authority that administers the Muslim sites, to have access to footage.

Palestinian officials gave the camera plan a cool reception.

"Netanyahu wants the video cameras just to track our people and arrest them," Palestinian official Saeb Erekat told the Voice of Palestine radio station.

Both Israeli and Jordanian officials said arrangements have not yet been discussed in detail, and it was not clear when the cameras would start operating. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter with the media.

The conflicting claims to the hilltop mount lie at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and have spilled over into violence in the past. The current round of fighting began last month with clashes between young Muslim men and Israeli security forces, and quickly spread to other parts of Jerusalem, across Israel and into the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

In five weeks, 10 Israelis have been killed in Palestinian attacks, mostly stabbings, while 50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire, including 29 said by Israel to be attackers.

The violence continued Sunday. In one incident, two Palestinians stabbed an Israeli in the West Bank, wounding him moderately before fleeing, the Israeli military said. The military initially said the attackers were disguised as ultra-Orthodox Jews but later retracted the detail after an investigation, saying it was incorrect.

Elsewhere in the West Bank, Israeli police said an officer shot and killed a 17-year-old Palestinian girl who tried to stab him. In a separate incident, a Palestinian man stabbed and seriously wounded an Israeli man near a Jewish West Bank settlement before fleeing.

On Sunday, Mohammed Hussein, the mufti of Jerusalem, the top Muslim cleric, gave a rare interview to Israeli media, telling Channel 2 TV that there had never been a Jewish presence at the holy site.

"The Al-Aqsa Mosque was there 3,000 years ago, and 30,000 years ago and when the world was created," he said. "It was never anything other than a mosque."

Netanyahu has said the stabbings are the result of Palestinian incitement and pointed to comments like the mufti's. But Palestinians say the violence is the result of deep frustrations after nearly 50 years of Israeli occupation, years of failed peace efforts and a lack of hope for gaining independence.

In his public comments Saturday, Kerry gave no indication that the Obama administration has any plans to re-launch peace efforts during its final year in office, though the so-called Quartet, a U.S.-led group of international Mideast mediators, is to send a delegation to the region in the near future.

During Saturday's meeting with Kerry, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas raised a number of concerns, including continued Israeli settlement construction on occupied lands claimed by the Palestinians and their demand for an independent state in the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza — lands captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war. The Palestinians are seeking a U.N. Security Council resolution endorsing their positions, along with a timeline for establishment of an independent state.

Palestinians said they were waiting to see whether the arrangements announced by Kerry would change the situation on the ground.

On Friday, Israel lifted age restrictions barring young men from joining prayers at the mosque, a key source of tension, and prayers passed without incident. Palestinians also want to see whether Israeli will remove checkpoints and roadblocks placed in Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem in recent weeks.

"I think people are still confused about what Netanyahu is up to, and we don't know what the coming days will bring," said Ahmad Rweidi, Abbas' adviser on Jerusalem affairs.

Palestinian political scientist George Giacaman said that while Kerry may succeed in easing the latest tensions, a broader political solution is needed. "We are heading toward collision and confrontations," he said.

Nathan Thrall, an analyst with the International Crisis Group, said there were no guarantees that Kerry's efforts would even get the latest violence to subside. But he said the U.S. has signaled that it may take one last push at advancing peace.

"We haven't seen the end of the Obama administration's involvement or efforts in this conflict," he said. "I think there is a good chance that the U.S. will wind up doing something ... before the end of Obama's term.

-- (c) Associated Press 2015-10-26

[Seastallion]

"The military initially said the attackers were disguised as ultra-Orthodox Jews but later retracted the detail after an investigation, saying it was incorrect."

I wonder what the truth is. The first report of disguises, or the retraction?

It must be a huge worry if assailants disguise themselves. Next thing you know, those trigger-happy Israelis will be shooting dead Ultra Orthodox Jews on suspicion, just like they have shot 21 or more Palestinian non-attackers.

There is one solution; Get out of occupied territory.

[willyumiii]

My solution:

1) Evacuate the area around the temple mount.

2) Nuke the damn rock.

3) When the site cools off, give a piece of the rock to anyone who wants to take one home.

Result: No more reason to fight and die over a stupid rock!

[LukKrueng]

"The military initially said the attackers were disguised as ultra-Orthodox Jews but later retracted the detail after an investigation, saying it was incorrect."

I wonder what the truth is. The first report of disguises, or the retraction?

It must be a huge worry if assailants disguise themselves. Next thing you know, those trigger-happy Israelis will be shooting dead Ultra Orthodox Jews on suspicion, just like they have shot 21 or more Palestinian non-attackers.

There is one solution; Get out of occupied territory.

There were such suggestions in the past and I was always against it. But seem as you say it might be the only solution. So let all those "Palestinians" go back to where they originally came from - Egypt, Jordan, Syria. Although I doubt any of those countries will welcome them....

[retarius]

Stating the obvious, but Kerry isn't an honest actor in discussions about Palestinians and Israelis. And what did Mr T Bliar do to earn his salary when he was special envoy to the middle east...it's in flames now so he didn't do a great job did he?

[TEFLKrabi]

"The military initially said the attackers were disguised as ultra-Orthodox Jews but later retracted the detail after an investigation, saying it was incorrect."

I wonder what the truth is. The first report of disguises, or the retraction?

It must be a huge worry if assailants disguise themselves. Next thing you know, those trigger-happy Israelis will be shooting dead Ultra Orthodox Jews on suspicion, just like they have shot 21 or more Palestinian non-attackers.

There is one solution; Get out of occupied territory.

There were such suggestions in the past and I was always against it. But seem as you say it might be the only solution. So let all those "Palestinians" go back to where they originally came from - Egypt, Jordan, Syria. Although I doubt any of those countries will welcome them....

Hey buffoon, why do you think they're called "Palestinians"? Maybe because this is their homeland too, and has been for centuries.

[Seastallion]

"The military initially said the attackers were disguised as ultra-Orthodox Jews but later retracted the detail after an investigation, saying it was incorrect."

I wonder what the truth is. The first report of disguises, or the retraction?

It must be a huge worry if assailants disguise themselves. Next thing you know, those trigger-happy Israelis will be shooting dead Ultra Orthodox Jews on suspicion, just like they have shot 21 or more Palestinian non-attackers.

There is one solution; Get out of occupied territory.

There were such suggestions in the past and I was always against it. But seem as you say it might be the only solution. So let all those "Palestinians" go back to where they originally came from - Egypt, Jordan, Syria. Although I doubt any of those countries will welcome them....

By that rationale, 95% of current day Israelis should go back to Europe.

But we don't want those sort of silly arguments. Israel is a state, established 70 odd years ago, and absolutely should remain and be secure.

All they have to do now is withdraw from the occupied territories and agree to Palestinian self-determination.

[Jingthing]

Obama has given up all hope of being helpful towards a two state solution during his presidency. I can't blame him. You need both sides ready to negotiate in good faith and neither side is.

[DaddyWarbucks]

Obama has given up all hope of being helpful towards a two state solution during his presidency. I can't blame him. You need both sides ready to negotiate in good faith and neither side is.

The Zionists don't want a two-state solution. They want to drive the Palestinians off their land and realize the dream of Eretz Israel.

[Soutpeel]

My solution:

1) Evacuate the area around the temple mount.

2) Nuke the damn rock.

3) When the site cools off, give a piece of the rock to anyone who wants to take one home.

Result: No more reason to fight and die over a stupid rock!

But wont that hurt the enviroment and add to climate change ?

[Credo]

My solution:

1) Evacuate the area around the temple mount.

2) Nuke the damn rock.

3) When the site cools off, give a piece of the rock to anyone who wants to take one home.

Result: No more reason to fight and die over a stupid rock!

But wont that hurt the enviroment and add to climate change ?

Not a particularly good idea because they will most likely find something else to fight about. As for affecting climate change, I don't think so. I think it will have a big effect on the climate for those in the immediate area though.

[Steely Dan]

I heard about this, the Israelis are all for surveillance around the holy sites, the Palestinians are against it. Little wonder in both cases, the Israelis can demonstrate the obvious fact as to who starts the violence, the Palestinians are against it for the same reason, but hide behind the spurious notion that Israel will somehow abuse its power and use surveillance to target certain individuals.

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-FM-says-surveillance-on-Temple-Mount-a-new-trap-by-Israelis-430002#article=6017MEFGOTQwMTY1MzQ4OEI2NTI1RTU0MzRGMUZDRTBGQUY=

[dexterm]

I heard about this, the Israelis are all for surveillance around the holy sites, the Palestinians are against it. Little wonder in both cases, the Israelis can demonstrate the obvious fact as to who starts the violence, the Palestinians are against it for the same reason, but hide behind the spurious notion that Israel will somehow abuse its power and use surveillance to target certain individuals.

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-FM-says-surveillance-on-Temple-Mount-a-new-trap-by-Israelis-430002#article=6017MEFGOTQwMTY1MzQ4OEI2NTI1RTU0MzRGMUZDRTBGQUY=

the Palestinians are against it

Well, that's pretty strange because only today it is the Israelis preventing Palestinians installing cameras at the site.

"Muslim religious officials say Israeli police blocked them from installing cameras at site despite Kerry's weekend deal."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/israel-stops-aqsa-administrator-installing-cameras-151026140713886.html

No doubt the said cameras could record the IDF hassling Muslim worshippers there. Let's hope they have a few cameras on the entrances and also pointing towards trouble making fanatical Jews praying against the status quo rules that Netanyahu claims to be so vehemently in favor of and has assured the world will remain unaltered..