Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used

[webfact]

Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used
The Nation

No rallies or activities reported yesterday, govt says, despite plan to give moral support to Yingluck

BANGKOK: -- Red sHIRTS in major provinces were quiet yesterday, failing to give a moral boost to former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra as she faces increased pressure from the junta over her government's rice-pledging scheme.

Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha on Saturday resorted to using Article 44 of the interim charter to provide blanket protection to officials involved in the investigation into the scheme against counter-attacks by Yingluck supporters. The announcement appeared to help silence pro-Yingluck movements, despite days of invitations on social media for supporters to wear red yesterday.

No political activities were launched by the red shirts, or supporters of the Pheu Thai Party, in provinces believed to be their strongholds - chiefly Chiang Mai, Khon Kaen, Udon Thani and Nakhon Ratchasima.

In Muang Nakhon Ratchasima, key leaders were seen in red shirts at a local coffee shop early in the morning before dispersing.

Jakkrawut Traiwallop, a red shirt leader, said gathering at the coffee shop was done routinely.

"Don't implicate us in any political activity. Now, the Muang district is a lightening bolt, a symbol of stability in Isaan. Every time any conflict issue emerges, red leaders will be closely watched. Red is the Sunday colour. Wearing it today contains no connotation."

Chiang Mai red-shirt leader Pichit Tamool said no activities were planned yesterday as that would go against the National Centre for Peace and Order's order.

"No red shirt people here want to violate the law. We may have meals, but that will involve no more than three to five people at a time," Pichit said.

Government spokesperson Maj-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd said: "Everyone has the right to prove themselves by showing their evidence. But they should not change topics by claiming that [Yingluck] was elected, a high-ranking political officer or a woman. That does not mean you will be innocent."

The government was determined to ensure people can distinguish facts from distorted information, the spokesman said.

Wearing red in an Instagram post, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the elder brother of Yingluck, did not mention the rice-pledging scheme. He just said justice would win the hearts of the red shirts.

The strongest message against the invocation of Article 44 came from Boonsong Teriyapirom, the former commerce minister who is standing trial for allegedly selling government rice to "ghost" Chinese companies while in office.

In a Facebook post, Boonsong said he was saddened to see Yingluck have to defend herself in court.

He said using Article 44 to protect officials and organisations involved in the rice-pledging scheme was proof that Yingluck Shinawatra was a political victim and the scheme had also been targeted for political gain.

He said Yingluck had no direct responsibility to the scheme. Though it was a government policy, it was carried out by a sub-committee.

He insisted the Guangdong Stationary & Sporting Goods Import & Export Corp and Hainan Grain and Oil Industrial Trading Co, which purchased rice under government-government deals, were considered part of the Chinese government as they were 100 per cent owned by the government.

They enjoy the same status as Guangxi Mingyang Biochemical Science & Technology which bought tapioca flour under a G2G deal with the Abhisit government in 2000 and China Hainan Rubber Industry Group Co, which struck a similar deal for Thai rubber during the Prayut administration.

He insisted that all the companies were screened by Commerce Ministry's Foreign Trade Department.

The tapioca flour and rubber deals "were conducted in the same way as the rice deals struck during the Yingluck administration. The only difference is the deals did not face collusion charges from the NACC [the National Anti-Corruption Commission]", Boonsong said.

Boonsong also countered the charge that stockpiles during the rice-pledging scheme were slowly released or released below cost, leading to huge losses.

"Rice is a commodity that naturally degrades. As such, selling the commodity below the price paid out to farmers is normal. This was also normal during the Abhisit or Prayut governments."

He said warehouse operators were legally responsible for missing stockpiles or degradation. Demanding Yingluck or others take the responsibility was politically motivated.

"The use of Article 44 to protect all

individuals and organisations tasked to

handle this matter is proof that the rice-pledging scheme is being used as a political tool to ruin Yingluck and the Pheu Thai Party," he said.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Red-shirts-go-to-ground-after-Article-44-used-30272061.html


-- The Nation 2015-11-02

[robblok]

So no support for YL or at least it was not worth the trouble it could get them in to support her. Maybe not enough paid for the normal rent a mob.

Great at least the time of street protests is over.

[waldroj]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

[robblok]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

It is a victory, there were no reds on the street no disruption from the mob who usually threatens judges and so on when someone they care about is in court.

So yes its a big victory when they are not allowed to intimidate judges and when street protests (on either side) are not held.

If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests.

And please with your pic don't try to equate a real hero with YL

Edited November 2, 2015 by robblok

[zaphod reborn]

While it may be acceptable for redshirts to show support for Yingluck as she begins her criminal trial, it's really not a call for a rally. How do you rally behind someone responsible for costing every Thai citizen 850 baht, where less than 2% of the money lost actually went to support the farmers it was intended to help? They may still like her, but the way the program was mismanaged is indefensible.

[thesetat2013]

So no support for YL or at least it was not worth the trouble it could get them in to support her. Maybe not enough paid for the normal rent a mob.

Great at least the time of street protests is over.

Agreed about the relief if not worrying about the protests or bombs or shootings. But i think they should have allowed anyone to show their support if only to get pics of who is there or too tally the numbers. It may also have led to the arrests of some people wanted and being sought for criminal actions during the last riots.

[MZurf]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

It is a victory, there were no reds on the street no disruption from the mob who usually threatens judges and so on when someone they care about is in court.

So yes its a big victory when they are not allowed to intimidate judges and when street protests (on either side) are not held.

If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests.

And please with your pic don't try to equate a real hero with YL

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

[lucky11]

So the PTP government's flagship policy (how they describe it, not me) was carried out by a sub-committee .

So a sub-committee lost the country 500 billion Baht!! is Boonsong trying to tell me that the sub-committee had power over the National Rice Policy Committee and the PM who chaired it!!

[Srikcir]

"The tapioca flour and rubber deals "were conducted in the same way as the rice deals struck during the Yingluck administration. The only difference is the deals did not face collusion charges from the NACC [the National Anti-Corruption Commission]"

Valid but painful point.

Whether intentional or not, NACC does give the impression that it serves the Prayut regime in delivering justice, no matter how unequal or partial.

[phutoie2]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

It is a victory, there were no reds on the street no disruption from the mob who usually threatens judges and so on when someone they care about is in court.

So yes its a big victory when they are not allowed to intimidate judges and when street protests (on either side) are not held.

If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests.

And please with your pic don't try to equate a real hero with YL

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

its all about No 1 with Robbo, he can get to work now, no nasty red shirts in his way. All down to the coup and military running the show. Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others.

[robblok]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

It is a victory, there were no reds on the street no disruption from the mob who usually threatens judges and so on when someone they care about is in court.

So yes its a big victory when they are not allowed to intimidate judges and when street protests (on either side) are not held.

If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests.

And please with your pic don't try to equate a real hero with YL

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

its all about No 1 with Robbo, he can get to work now, no nasty red shirts in his way. All down to the coup and military running the show. Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others.

And the Brits would be speaking German if it was not for the Russians ans Americans. (Naming the Brits first while in reality the other powers did far more).

I don't frighten easy, I just don't like people getting killed during street protests.

You guys with your remarks about how bad it will get.. sounds more like wishful thinking for some of you. It is as if some of you wish for a civil war.

[webfact]

Thaksin shows support for Yingluck on social media



BANGKOK: -- Redshirt supporters did not show up at public gatherings in red clothes yesterday to give moral support to former premier Yingluck Shinawatra but their leaders merely posted photos on social media wearing red to show symbolic support for her.

Posted on Instagram Thaksinlive wearing red T-shirt was the fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

Thaksin was first to post photos in red T shirt on Instagram Thaksinlive at 10.45 am Sunday, and was widely shared on the social media.

Thaksin said “Today is Sunday and I am wearing red T shirt to give moral support for democracy lovers and those seeking for justice.”

But he said his red T shirt has yellow colour on the heart logo as he wanted to see reconciliation in the country which he loves and worries.

He said he dressed in red today with reasons that it was a fashion trend, it was Sunday, he has many red shirts, shared the same thought that redshirt people wishing to see justice and democracy returned to the country as soon as possible.

Thaksin also suggested the simplest way to win the heart of redshirt people without resorting to gun or law is to just using “justice of heart and principle of clemency.”

He didn’t elaborate but said this would easily help to win the heart of the redshirts without having to waste budget and so much time.

Following Thaksin’s post on Instagram, leading figures of the Pheu Thai part followed suit posting selfies of them in red colour shirts on Facebook as a show of support to Ms Yingluck.

It is also a symbolic demand of justice for her over the rice pledging scheme in which the Finance Ministry was considering to demand enormous compensation from her for inflicting over 500 billion baht damages to the state.

They included former deputy prime minister Kittirat Na Ranong, former energy minister Pichai Naripthaphan, deputy finance minister Thanusak Lek-uthai, former party-list MP Ms Kattiya Sawasdipol.

But most photos were taken at homes and posted on the social media to avoid defying the order of the military junta’s public gathering ban.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thaksin-shows-support-for-yingluck-on-social-media


-- Thai PBS 2015-11-02

[canopus1969]

Showing his age now...

[apetley]

Showing his age now...

That's for sure.....or the desert diet doesn't agree with him.

[waldroj]

Robblok

A country still deeply divided is a cadmean victory!

[robblok]

Robblok

A country still deeply divided is a cadmean victory!

Having the red or yellow on the streets will solve the problem ? Last time people got killed so better to suppress it.

Do you really think an election will change anything ? Depending on what side wins the other side will be on the streets. Now at least you got no people on the street no killings and a stable government (not that I agree with everything).

Thailand needs to get rid of the streetmob mentality Phuket showed what will happen if you have street mobs.

[mikemac]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

It is a victory, there were no reds on the street no disruption from the mob who usually threatens judges and so on when someone they care about is in court.

So yes its a big victory when they are not allowed to intimidate judges and when street protests (on either side) are not held.

If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests.

And please with your pic don't try to equate a real hero with YL

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

its all about No 1 with Robbo, he can get to work now, no nasty red shirts in his way. All down to the coup and military running the show. Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others.

..................."Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others."..................

I bet robblok is still laughing at that off topic jibe !

[robblok]

..................."Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others."..................

I bet robblok is still laughing at that off topic jibe !

I was amazed.. but hey the guy does have a picture of a bridge too far in his AV.

If we have to recount history, I believe the Dutch burned the entire English fleet in their own harbor. One of the worst defeats ever of the British navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

But hell I have no idea why people feel so proud about things other people who were of the same nationality did. I personally only take credit for things I do myself. Guess if you haven't done much with your life you have to be proud for the achievements of others.

[Skywalker69]

Thaksin shows support for Yingluck on social media

BANGKOK: -- Redshirt supporters did not show up at public gatherings in red clothes yesterday to give moral support to former premier Yingluck Shinawatra but their leaders merely posted photos on social media wearing red to show symbolic support for her.

Posted on Instagram Thaksinlive wearing red T-shirt was the fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

Thaksin was first to post photos in red T shirt on Instagram Thaksinlive at 10.45 am Sunday, and was widely shared on the social media.

Thaksin said “Today is Sunday and I am wearing red T shirt to give moral support for democracy lovers and those seeking for justice.”

But he said his red T shirt has yellow colour on the heart logo as he wanted to see reconciliation in the country which he loves and worries.

He said he dressed in red today with reasons that it was a fashion trend, it was Sunday, he has many red shirts, shared the same thought that redshirt people wishing to see justice and democracy returned to the country as soon as possible.

Thaksin also suggested the simplest way to win the heart of redshirt people without resorting to gun or law is to just using “justice of heart and principle of clemency.”

He didn’t elaborate but said this would easily help to win the heart of the redshirts without having to waste budget and so much time.

Following Thaksin’s post on Instagram, leading figures of the Pheu Thai part followed suit posting selfies of them in red colour shirts on Facebook as a show of support to Ms Yingluck.

It is also a symbolic demand of justice for her over the rice pledging scheme in which the Finance Ministry was considering to demand enormous compensation from her for inflicting over 500 billion baht damages to the state.

They included former deputy prime minister Kittirat Na Ranong, former energy minister Pichai Naripthaphan, deputy finance minister Thanusak Lek-uthai, former party-list MP Ms Kattiya Sawasdipol.

But most photos were taken at homes and posted on the social media to avoid defying the order of the military junta’s public gathering ban.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thaksin-shows-support-for-yingluck-on-social-media

-- Thai PBS 2015-11-02

From "afar" shows he is a coward!

[EnglishJohn]

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

its all about No 1 with Robbo, he can get to work now, no nasty red shirts in his way. All down to the coup and military running the show. Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others.

And the Brits would be speaking German if it was not for the Russians ans Americans. (Naming the Brits first while in reality the other powers did far more).

I don't frighten easy, I just don't like people getting killed during street protests.

You guys with your remarks about how bad it will get.. sounds more like wishful thinking for some of you. It is as if some of you wish for a civil war.

Phutoie's comment was a typical nasty attack by a Pheu-Thai supporter with no relevance to any argument which made any sense. These pathetic, racist comments are the last resort of the witless.

But don't forget Hitler never really had any chance to invade the UK. He actually admired Britain and hoped they would make peace which some say is why he let so many escape at Dunkirk. We held out on our own for years before the USA joined in.

I wonder if the lunatics thinking their communist revolution is just around the corner are starting to cotton on to the real world yet. The best you are going to manage guys is to become an underground terrorist group. How proud that will make your mothers. Go read up (or get someone to read it out to you) on the other communist Asian countries and compare them to South Korea. I think most Thais know which direction they want to go.

[cobbler]

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

its all about No 1 with Robbo, he can get to work now, no nasty red shirts in his way. All down to the coup and military running the show. Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others.

And the Brits would be speaking German if it was not for the Russians ans Americans. (Naming the Brits first while in reality the other powers did far more).

I don't frighten easy, I just don't like people getting killed during street protests.

You guys with your remarks about how bad it will get.. sounds more like wishful thinking for some of you. It is as if some of you wish for a civil war.

Phutoie's comment was a typical nasty attack by a Pheu-Thai supporter with no relevance to any argument which made any sense. These pathetic, racist comments are the last resort of the witless.

But don't forget Hitler never really had any chance to invade the UK. He actually admired Britain and hoped they would make peace which some say is why he let so many escape at Dunkirk. We held out on our own for years before the USA joined in.

I wonder if the lunatics thinking their communist revolution is just around the corner are starting to cotton on to the real world yet. The best you are going to manage guys is to become an underground terrorist group. How proud that will make your mothers. Go read up (or get someone to read it out to you) on the other communist Asian countries and compare them to South Korea. I think most Thais know which direction they want to go.

Only the ones who dont sell there soul for 500 bart at election time. I fear thailand may turn to shit within 5 years.

[JingerBen]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

There is no connection at all between Thaksin's Redshirts and Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy [NLD] in Burma/Myanmar.

An implication that there is seems either ill-informed, dim-witted, or disingenuous.

[scorecard]

So the PTP government's flagship policy (how they describe it, not me) was carried out by a sub-committee .

So a sub-committee lost the country 500 billion Baht!! is Boonsong trying to tell me that the sub-committee had power over the National Rice Policy Committee and the PM who chaired it!!

And who are the members of the committee booonsong mentions? I wonder if they all have a similar predisposition. An example could be: rape the country.

[scorecard]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

There is no connection at all between Thaksin's Redshirts and Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy [NLD] in Burma/Myanmar.

An implication that there is seems either ill-informed, dim-witted, or disingenuous.

And an insult to the great lady from Myanmar.

[taony]

I wore red yesterday. Everyone should have. Its a peaceful way to say you don't support Mr. Man. Forget Yingluck and whoever else.

[MZurf]

"If this goes on long enough the people might start to think differently about street protests. "

If this goes on long enough the street protests you found so frightening will seem like a minor inconvenience.

its all about No 1 with Robbo, he can get to work now, no nasty red shirts in his way. All down to the coup and military running the show. Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others.

And the Brits would be speaking German if it was not for the Russians ans Americans. (Naming the Brits first while in reality the other powers did far more).

I don't frighten easy, I just don't like people getting killed during street protests.

You guys with your remarks about how bad it will get.. sounds more like wishful thinking for some of you. It is as if some of you wish for a civil war.

Phutoie's comment was a typical nasty attack by a Pheu-Thai supporter with no relevance to any argument which made any sense. These pathetic, racist comments are the last resort of the witless.

But don't forget Hitler never really had any chance to invade the UK. He actually admired Britain and hoped they would make peace which some say is why he let so many escape at Dunkirk. We held out on our own for years before the USA joined in.

I wonder if the lunatics thinking their communist revolution is just around the corner are starting to cotton on to the real world yet. The best you are going to manage guys is to become an underground terrorist group. How proud that will make your mothers. Go read up (or get someone to read it out to you) on the other communist Asian countries and compare them to South Korea. I think most Thais know which direction they want to go.

John, what's the reason behind your ramblings about communism? Do the Shins look like communists to you? Does resistance towards an unelected junta make people communists? This is exactly why I tell you not to call other people stupid, John. Please pay attention this time!

[EnglishJohn]

Headline reads, “Red shirts go to ground after Article 44 used”. A less-parochial observer might have assumed the Reds were simply following the junta’s well-publicised directions.

Either way, anybody seeing this a victory for the junta over the Reds chooses to ignore the fact that the country is no closer to reconciliation.

Thailand is still a much divided country!

Incidentally, in Myanmar, the red shirts supporters were out in force to support their leader over the weekend.

So you see some red shirts and a picture of a woman in some foreign country and think that it must therefore be similar to Thailand ?.

Just amazing. No, seriously, I am amazed that someone over 8 can exist thinking at that level.

Aung San Suu Kyi spent 15 years under house arrest for standing up for her beliefs. Ms Bubble Head went shopping.

Thank you three times.

[Thian]

..................."Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others."..................

I bet robblok is still laughing at that off topic jibe !

I was amazed.. but hey the guy does have a picture of a bridge too far in his AV.

If we have to recount history, I believe the Dutch burned the entire English fleet in their own harbor. One of the worst defeats ever of the British navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

But hell I have no idea why people feel so proud about things other people who were of the same nationality did. I personally only take credit for things I do myself. Guess if you haven't done much with your life you have to be proud for the achievements of others.

They fear they 'll have to pay for the whole family soon. They better start saving now.

[Baerboxer]

..................."Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others."..................

I bet robblok is still laughing at that off topic jibe !

I was amazed.. but hey the guy does have a picture of a bridge too far in his AV.

If we have to recount history, I believe the Dutch burned the entire English fleet in their own harbor. One of the worst defeats ever of the British navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

But hell I have no idea why people feel so proud about things other people who were of the same nationality did. I personally only take credit for things I do myself. Guess if you haven't done much with your life you have to be proud for the achievements of others.

His bridge picture is from the "Bridge on the River Kwai. Lot of Dutch died working on that.

A "Bridge too far" was Arnhem - were several thousand British, Poles and allied troops gave their lives trying to free Netherlands from the Nazis. Until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on US, Europe's only hope was Britain. The Russians were happy to be allied to the Nazis until Hitler turned on them.

Defending Europe's freedom, in two world wars cost Britain high in terms of lives, it's position in the world order, it's economy and future. How quick continental Europe is to forget.

There are one or two posters now, Shin fans, who like to post that civil war, a red uprising, restoring the Shins back to power is gonna happen anytime soon. Hopefully, it has about as much reality as Thaksin returning to do his time or Yingluck telling the truth and presenting facts in court. Not going to happen

[Thian]

..................."Understandable he frightens easily, he is from a part of Europe that would be still licking out German dustbins if it wasn't for the Brits and others."..................

I bet robblok is still laughing at that off topic jibe !

I was amazed.. but hey the guy does have a picture of a bridge too far in his AV.

If we have to recount history, I believe the Dutch burned the entire English fleet in their own harbor. One of the worst defeats ever of the British navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

But hell I have no idea why people feel so proud about things other people who were of the same nationality did. I personally only take credit for things I do myself. Guess if you haven't done much with your life you have to be proud for the achievements of others.

His bridge picture is from the "Bridge on the River Kwai. Lot of Dutch died working on that.

A "Bridge too far" was Arnhem - were several thousand British, Poles and allied troops gave their lives trying to free Netherlands from the Nazis. Until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on US, Europe's only hope was Britain. The Russians were happy to be allied to the Nazis until Hitler turned on them.

Defending Europe's freedom, in two world wars cost Britain high in terms of lives, it's position in the world order, it's economy and future. How quick continental Europe is to forget.

There are one or two posters now, Shin fans, who like to post that civil war, a red uprising, restoring the Shins back to power is gonna happen anytime soon. Hopefully, it has about as much reality as Thaksin returning to do his time or Yingluck telling the truth and presenting facts in court. Not going to happen

All the UK veterans are still invited to come to remember the battle for Arnhem at 5 may, they get everything for free during the freedomparty's and are guests of honor.

What some did though was sending their sons or other much younger soldiers to take their place.

Some of the veterans even still do the landing over again and make para-jumps out of classic planes, just like they did in '45.

They are sure not forgotten and there are statue's to remember them as well. Also they bombed the next city of Nijmegen accidentally, they thought it was a German city. Many casualty's there and the whole citycentre was gone.

The members who like to threaten the reds to come to BKK and make a civil war there just are scared for their own wallet. Yes they will be the ones with money while others don't so it's understandable but they shouldn't make those threats here. Don't forget that the single gateway is running allready and they might be logged and get some attitude adjustment. Maybe they don't realise that.