Conflict hard to ignore as stabbings reach Israeli heartland

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Conflict hard to ignore as stabbings reach Israeli heartland
By ARON HELLER

RISHON LEZION, Israel (AP) — Twenty-four-year-old shopkeeper Darya Zelenkov was working her shift in a downtown clothing shop in this central Israeli city when she was startled by a knife-wielding Palestinian trying to burst in. The quick-thinking saleswoman quickly slammed the glass door in his face.

"I looked him straight in the eye. He had this lost look about him," said Zelenkov. "Until yesterday I thought all the troubles were 'there.' I thought it had nothing to do with me."

After years of relative quiet in major Israeli cities, a seven-week burst of violence has brought the Palestinian issue to the country's heartland and pushed the long-festering conflict back to the forefront of the national agenda. Disillusioned by years of failed negotiations and a controversial withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, most Israelis appear to want to create more distance and separation from their Palestinian neighbors rather than revive peace talks.

Ami Ayalon, a former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service and current fellow at the Israel Democracy Institute, said despite the fear and anger, the unrest is having some unexpected results. He cited a recent poll showing more than three-quarters of Israelis ready to hand over Arab-majority neighborhoods of Jerusalem to a future Palestine, in contrast to the government position that the city must remain unified.

"People only get it when things are very sad," Ayalon said. "You can't ignore the situation. People are ready to give up a lot just to make it stop."

Such findings raise the unsettling question of whether Palestinian violence works.

Twenty years of on-again, off-again peace talks have yielded no solution to the conflict, partly because militant attacks frequently derailed them. But the first Palestinian uprising in the 1980s is widely seen as having hastened Israel's decision to allow limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank, and rocket and mortar fire on Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip was a key factor behind the decision to pull out in 2005.

Israeli cities were frequent targets of violence during the second Palestinian uprising in the early 2000s, when suicide bombers blew up buses and struck crowded restaurants throughout the country. But when the violence subsided, residents in central Israel largely put the conflict out of mind, trying to enjoy the comforts of what is known as the Tel Aviv "bubble."

While Israeli leaders have blamed the latest violence on Arab incitement, Palestinians say this Israeli sense of complacency is a key reason for the unrest. They say Israelis cannot ignore them, and that nearly 50 years of military rule and a lack of hope for gaining independence are driving young Palestinians to desperate acts.

With the attacks migrating away from traditional hotspots in and around the Palestinian territories to a normally quiet city like Rishon Lezion, situated on Israel's coastal plain, it is becoming increasingly difficult for average Israelis to look away.

Jews are nearly 80 percent of Israel's population, and the Arab minority makes up about 20 percent. The latter often suffer discrimination and identify with their Palestinian brethren, but very few of the recent attacks have been carried out by Arab Israelis.

Standing next to a pile of shattered glass from Monday's melee, Zelenkov, 24, said the new reality has made her far more suspicious of Arabs and no more sympathetic. "Their problems don't interest me," she said. "Those who don't attack aren't attacked either."

It's a sentiment shared by much of mainstream Israel. Polls consistently show a majority of Israelis still believing in the need for a two-state solution, but often on terms the Palestinians have been unwilling to accept.

They point to two peace offers — in 2001 and 2008 — that were either rejected or ignored by the Palestinians, as evidence that a deal is impossible. The bitter experience of Israel's unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, which paved the way for the Hamas militant group to seize power in 2007, has deepened suspicions.

Yet many still believe that Israel must somehow figure out a way to separate from the Palestinians.

"Let them have a state," said Limor Abu-Hatzeira, a 47-year-old clerk in a Rishon Lezion clothing store just down the street from where three Israelis were stabbed, "so long as they leave us alone and let us live in peace."

The Palestinians seek a state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem — areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war.

Israeli leftists have long said that the establishment of a Palestinian state is the only way to preserve the country's Jewish majority. The alternative would be a binational state in which Arabs eventually outnumber Jews, which would force Israel to choose between being a Jewish or democratic state.

They say the current violence, concentrated in Jerusalem and the West Bank where Israelis and Palestinians live in close proximity, gives a glimpse of what a one-state reality would look like.

The tensions erupted in mid-September over conflicting claims to a sensitive Jerusalem holy site and have since spread to the rest of the country. In seven weeks, 11 Israelis have been killed, mostly in stabbing attacks, while 70 Palestinians have died by Israeli fire, including 44 who Israel says were involved in attacks or attempted attacks.

In Monday's attack, a 19-year-old Palestinian from the West Bank city of Hebron got off a bus in Rishon Lezion, Israel's fourth largest city, and embarked on a stabbing spree along busy Herzl street.

He stabbed an 80-year-old woman in the back and then a 31-year-old man in the chest, seriously wounding both, and after failing to enter Zelenkov's clothing shop, stabbed another man inside the adjacent cosmetics store before bystanders finally took him down. Hours later, another Palestinian attacker stabbed a 70-year-old Israeli man in Netanya, a coastal city far from the front-lines of the conflict. Some half-dozen other Israeli cities have also seen attacks.

The attacks have triggered angry calls for revenge that have turned violent in several instances. In security camera footage, a stream of Israelis is seen hopping over the collapsed elderly woman in pursuit of the attacker, who police later had to rescue from the angry mob.

The victim's granddaughter, Sagit Bracha-Eisenkot, said she was horrified that no one in the video stopped to help her wounded grandmother.

"People talk about Israeli society, how it is unified in times of crisis. But you see on the footage the mob's sense of rage and revenge," she told Army Radio.

In other interviews, she blamed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the violence, saying that for security Israel would have to sit down and negotiate. But such voices have been rare.

On Herzl street, near the site of the stabbing rampage, outraged residents flung insults at Palestinians, calling them "animals" and "mentally ill" and saying assailants should be killed on the spot.

Pavel Leiderman, 39, said the Palestinian goal was "attrition."

"They just want to wear us down until we give them what they want," he said. "As far as I'm concerned, they can have a state so long as I don't have to see them or hear about them anymore. But I don't know if that will be enough for them. If you give a crying baby a lollypop it just wants more."


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-11-05

[hugh2121]

Seems to show the value the Palestinians put on human life (including their own).

[hugh2121]

What really brave people....He stabbed an 80-year-old woman in the back...... another Palestinian attacker stabbed a 70-year-old Israeli man in Netanya,

[Ulysses G.]

70 years of the same senseless Arab violence. That is why Israel is a thriving country and a country called Palestine does not even exist.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[shirtless]

This situation should have been resolved years ago both parties need to exercise control and consideration otherwise it will only escalate and there will be no winners.

[OMGImInPattaya]

The Zionist now know how the Palestinians have felt for decades under illegal occupation.

[hugh2121]

The Zionist now know how the Palestinians have felt for decades under illegal occupation.

If you love the Palestinian terrorists so much, why not go live there?

[RuamRudy]

Seems to show the value the Palestinians put on human life (including their own).

I am sure you are right. With having grown up knowing nothing but depprivation and humiliation, liberally and injudiciously imposed by an imperialistic apartheid regime, would you really be surprised if nihilism is the accepted future for Palestinian youth?

Edited November 5, 2015 by RuamRudy

[up-country_sinclair]

Two things the occupiers need to learn:

1. Elections have consequences.

2. Chickens eventually come home to roost.

This is only the beginning.

Edited November 5, 2015 by up-country_sinclair

[vogie]

The Zionist now know how the Palestinians have felt for decades under illegal occupation.

If you love the Palestinian terrorists so much, why not go live there?

And the winner of the most rediculious post of the month goes to.........

[konying]

Two things the occupiers need to learn:

1. Elections have consequences.

2. Chickens eventually come home to roost.

This is only the beginning.

This is only the beginning?

Its been going on for decades and 2 things arabs have not learned but will shortly is that Israel takes soft approach to a point, then heavy hand will come down and of course then they will run around as they always do and have done screaming and not knowing why this has happened.

Good reason why they are still living off the hand outs and have not managed to create anything anywhere and it does not restrict to so called Palestine, but all over the region.

[konying]

The Zionist now know how the Palestinians have felt for decades under illegal occupation.

If you love the Palestinian terrorists so much, why not go live there?

No ladyboys there

[hugh2121]

The Zionist now know how the Palestinians have felt for decades under illegal occupation.

If you love the Palestinian terrorists so much, why not go live there?

And the winner of the most rediculious post of the month goes to.........

And the winner of the most rediculious spelling of the month goes to.........

[hugh2121]

Seems to show the value the Palestinians put on human life (including their own).

I am sure you are right. With having grown up knowing nothing but depprivation and humiliation, liberally and injudiciously imposed by an imperialistic apartheid regime, would you really be surprised if nihilism is the accepted future for Palestinian youth?

I wouldn't be surprised at any atrocity carried out by these people(?)

How stupid can you get. Throwing rocks at armed soldiers/police. Murdering innocent people when there are armed soldiers/police in the vicinity. And you are surprised that they are dealt with summarily?

Edited November 6, 2015 by hugh2121

[vogie]

Seems to show the value the Palestinians put on human life (including their own).

I am sure you are right. With having grown up knowing nothing but depprivation and humiliation, liberally and injudiciously imposed by an imperialistic apartheid regime, would you really be surprised if nihilism is the accepted future for Palestinian youth?

I wouldn't be sburprised at any atrocity carried out by these people(?)

How stupid can you get. Throwing rocks at armed soldiers/police. Murdering innocent people when there are armed soldiers/police in the vicinity. And you are surprised that they are dealt with summarily?

Very easy to trivialise such atrocities, try replacing your word "stupid" for desperate then you might get some idea, or maybe in your case not.

[Ulysses G.]

The Palestinians were doing the same foolish things when they completely outnumbered the Jews and were not threatened back in the beginning of last century. Sometimes stupid is just stupid.

Edited November 6, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[RuamRudy]

Seems to show the value the Palestinians put on human life (including their own).

I am sure you are right. With having grown up knowing nothing but depprivation and humiliation, liberally and injudiciously imposed by an imperialistic apartheid regime, would you really be surprised if nihilism is the accepted future for Palestinian youth?

I wouldn't be surprised at any atrocity carried out by these people(?)

How stupid can you get. Throwing rocks at armed soldiers/police. Murdering innocent people when there are armed soldiers/police in the vicinity. And you are surprised that they are dealt with summarily?

If you have lived your entire life being treated as second class, being forced to watch your peoples' land being stolen and their livelihoods being trashed, having absolutely no discernible control over your destiny, all for no reason that you have ever been party to, then I have no problem understanding how one could see those innocent Israelis who are unfortunately caught up in this as being part of the problem. If you cannot empathise, fair enough - you are fortunate that you do not live on the wrong side of an apartheid regime who's very legitimacy you have been schooled to reject.

[up-country_sinclair]

The occupiers will never be able to hide from justice.There are no soft targets and this is just the beginning.