Australia minister Dutton rejects MP's call for Middle East refugee ban

[webfact]

Australia minister Peter Dutton rejects MP's call for Middle East refugee ban

CANBERRA: -- Australia's immigration minister has rejected a call by an MP to close its borders to refugees from the Middle East, in the wake of the Paris attacks.

Andrew Fraser, a conservative MP, made the call on Facebook.

"Message to Malcolm Turnbull: Australia does not need Middle Eastern refugees or Islamic boat people," he wrote.

But Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said Australia would not back away from a decision to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria and Iraq.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34829557

-- BBC 2015-11-16

[Linky]

Dutton is a moron, but not for the reason in the OP.

[Usernames]

In other words, dear citizens, <deleted>, we'll do what we want, when we want. We have humanitarian prizes and awards we intend to get.

[shirtless]

Dutton is an idiot , look at France , you should be held accountable , if this happens in Australia why should we live in fear.

[Linky]

Dutton is an idiot , look at France , you should be held accountable , if this happens in Australia why should we live in fear.

Australia is not taking refugees that are wandering the world in search of the highest bidder. They are taking only those refugees that are currently in refugee camps on the syrian border and have already been determined genuine. They are also giving preference to the christian syrian refugees.

[dexterm]

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

[ezzra]

Sure why not? get the terrorist in by the thousands and then suffer the consequences of having to deal

with new cells of sleeper terrorism, as if Australia doesn't have enough troubles with the

existing, homegrown Muslim terrorists, many of whom were allowed to settle in Australia decades

ago... astonishing how people never learn from past mistakes....

[ezzra]

dexterm, on 16 Nov 2015 - 11:45, said:

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

The so called ' refugees ' that forks out tens of thousands of dollars to people smugglers and travel

with fake documents are nothing but scum looking to leach on a fresh pound of flesh...

if they're genuine refugees, let them wait in Turkey in be processed by the UN.... but they're not....

[shirtless]

Dutton is an idiot , look at France , you should be held accountable , if this happens in Australia why should we live in fear.

Australia is not taking refugees that are wandering the world in search of the highest bidder. They are taking only those refugees that are currently in refugee camps on the syrian border and have already been determined genuine. They are also giving preference to the christian syrian refugees.

Absolute rubbish where did you get that information as its sadly way off the mark, Boat people never came through the UN sponsored camps they arrived after flying to Indonesia and getting a boat onto Australia. Australias current government has pledge to take 12000 displaced Syrians

[simple1]

dexterm, on 16 Nov 2015 - 11:45, said:

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

The so called ' refugees ' that forks out tens of thousands of dollars to people smugglers and travel

with fake documents are nothing but scum looking to leach on a fresh pound of flesh...

if they're genuine refugees, let them wait in Turkey in be processed by the UN.... but they're not....

Right now you are demonstrating you have minimal grasp of the facts in relation to the topic. However, would welcome your advise, via this topic, why in your self assessment you consider you have a greater level of expertise on these matters than on the ground trained specialists from Oz.

Australia uses the UNHCR to identify who should be prioritised and they are then subjected to establishing facts and security assessment by Australian specialists. The current refugees who were granted asylum by Dutton originate from Jordanian refugee camps, some of whom have Arab Christian relatives in Oz.

[Steely Dan]

When you fly to Australia they spray the cabins to stop pathogens and invasive species from abroad. You can't take squat in which was living plant or animal, so hung up they are about invasive species. Then they blow it and allow the worst invasive species on the planet in, well as far as culture is concerned. I just don't get it!

[geriatrickid]

dexterm, on 16 Nov 2015 - 11:45, said:

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

The so called ' refugees ' that forks out tens of thousands of dollars to people smugglers and travel

with fake documents are nothing but scum looking to leach on a fresh pound of flesh...

if they're genuine refugees, let them wait in Turkey in be processed by the UN.... but they're not....

Right now you are demonstrating you have minimal grasp of the facts in relation to the topic. However, would welcome your advise, via this topic, why in your self assessment you consider you have a greater level of expertise on these matters than on the ground trained specialists from Oz.

Australia uses the UNHCR to identify who should be prioritised and they are then subjected to establishing facts and security assessment by Australian specialists. The current refugees who were granted asylum by Dutton originate from Jordanian refugee camps, some of whom have Arab Christian relatives in Oz.

The UNHCR is not the most reliable of organizations. It is recognized as corrupt and incompetent.

Here's a reality check for you. These are indisputable facts;

- The majority of Syrian refugees are fleeing because ISIL will make their lives difficult. This is because they have been supporters of the Assad regime.

- The majority of refugees are from urban areas. they are the middle class and the wealthy who have lost their wealth.

- ISIL has drawn its support from the rural poor, the uneducated and the lower classes who were marginalized by the urban class.

- The majority of Syrian refugees were out in the streets in previous years calling for the death of the west , especially USA, UK and of course Israel. Now they come for a hand out.

- The Kurds and Christian minority are excluded from most of the UN refugee centers. The reason is a fear of sectarian feuding. Many of the Christians were strong supporters of the assad regime, so it is understandable why there would be bitterness.

- No effort is being made to assist the Kurds specifically. The Kurds have suffered the most, yet the Turks and Iranians have done their utmost to make their lives difficult.

Know what else is amazing? ISIL supports its war by selling oil. The oil goes out through Iran, Turkey and Jordan. No one says anything about this. Instead of being patsies, the refugee crisis could be resolved in a few short weeks if the Turks, Iranians and Jordanians were held responsible and the people financing ISIL were killed. This would include the Kuwaitis and Qataris who have been funding ISIL.

By all means take in the legitimate refugees, the Kurds (who are muslim) and some of the Christians. Take in the Syrians who were persecuted by the Assad regime. This will require screening and tough questioning. Do not take in most of the Syrians, no claiming to be refugees. They are in fact supporters of Assad and they deserve no mercy. The very gact that Hezbollah is fighting on behalf of Assad and Iran speaks volumes. Let them go to Russia and Iran. that's where they belong.

Why isn't Russia or China taking any of these people?

Edited November 16, 2015 by geriatrickid

[Morch]

dexterm, on 16 Nov 2015 - 11:45, said:

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

The so called ' refugees ' that forks out tens of thousands of dollars to people smugglers and travel

with fake documents are nothing but scum looking to leach on a fresh pound of flesh...

if they're genuine refugees, let them wait in Turkey in be processed by the UN.... but they're not....

Right now you are demonstrating you have minimal grasp of the facts in relation to the topic. However, would welcome your advise, via this topic, why in your self assessment you consider you have a greater level of expertise on these matters than on the ground trained specialists from Oz.

Australia uses the UNHCR to identify who should be prioritised and they are then subjected to establishing facts and security assessment by Australian specialists. The current refugees who were granted asylum by Dutton originate from Jordanian refugee camps, some of whom have Arab Christian relatives in Oz.

I admit to not being fully informed on Australian immigration and refugee selection criteria. From what I do understand, this is not anything on par with the chaotic way the EU handled things. As long as immigrants (refugees, migrants....whatever) are properly screened, brought in at reasonable numbers and moderate pace, many problems could be avoided. This works better with a proper system of support within the the receiving country.

Wouldn't know that the Jordanian refugee camps got a higher numbers of Christians - camps in Lebanon and Turkey seem likelier. I suspect that the UNHCR is not quite up to the task of screening the masses of people involved. Not that host countries and other organizations are necessarily better. All the more reason to take things at a moderate pace. On the other hand, the humanitarian crisis will only get worse unless addressed. No easy solutions.

[simple1]

dexterm, on 16 Nov 2015 - 11:45, said:

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

The so called ' refugees ' that forks out tens of thousands of dollars to people smugglers and travel

with fake documents are nothing but scum looking to leach on a fresh pound of flesh...

if they're genuine refugees, let them wait in Turkey in be processed by the UN.... but they're not....

Right now you are demonstrating you have minimal grasp of the facts in relation to the topic. However, would welcome your advise, via this topic, why in your self assessment you consider you have a greater level of expertise on these matters than on the ground trained specialists from Oz.

Australia uses the UNHCR to identify who should be prioritised and they are then subjected to establishing facts and security assessment by Australian specialists. The current refugees who were granted asylum by Dutton originate from Jordanian refugee camps, some of whom have Arab Christian relatives in Oz.

The UNHCR is not the most reliable of organizations. It is recognized as corrupt and incompetent.

Here's a reality check for you. These are indisputable facts;

- The majority of Syrian refugees are fleeing because ISIL will make their lives difficult. This is because they have been supporters of the Assad regime.

- The majority of refugees are from urban areas. they are the middle class and the wealthy who have lost their wealth.

- ISIL has drawn its support from the rural poor, the uneducated and the lower classes who were marginalized by the urban class.

- The majority of Syrian refugees were out in the streets in previous years calling for the death of the west , especially USA, UK and of course Israel. Now they come for a hand out.

- The Kurds and Christian minority are excluded from most of the UN refugee centers. The reason is a fear of sectarian feuding. Many of the Christians were strong supporters of the assad regime, so it is understandable why there would be bitterness.

- No effort is being made to assist the Kurds specifically. The Kurds have suffered the most, yet the Turks and Iranians have done their utmost to make their lives difficult.

Know what else is amazing? ISIL supports its war by selling oil. The oil goes out through Iran, Turkey and Jordan. No one says anything about this. Instead of being patsies, the refugee crisis could be resolved in a few short weeks if the Turks, Iranians and Jordanians were held responsible and the people financing ISIL were killed. This would include the Kuwaitis and Qataris who have been funding ISIL.

By all means take in the legitimate refugees, the Kurds (who are muslim) and some of the Christians. Take in the Syrians who were persecuted by the Assad regime. This will require screening and tough questioning. Do not take in most of the Syrians, no claiming to be refugees. They are in fact supporters of Assad and they deserve no mercy. The very gact that Hezbollah is fighting on behalf of Assad and Iran speaks volumes. Let them go to Russia and Iran. that's where they belong.

Why isn't Russia or China taking any of these people?

Thanks, but know most of the points you raised. Kurds / Christians being excluded from UNHCR camps, I guess in return you know many of the refugees bordering Syria are in fact not housed in refugee camps.

Is not the Alawite heartland mostly outside of the actual conflict areas? There are roughly 4 million refugees bordering Syria yet you claim most are non Sunni; sorry your claim doesn't stack up. Can you provide info that substantiates your understanding?

From my reading Alawites, Christians & other minorities are motivated to leave Syria because of very high casualty rates in the Syrian armed forces, evading conscription as they concluded Assad was on the brink of defeat and so on. However, one of many articles reviewing the status of Alawite's in Syria below; perhaps it's now changing due to the Russian invention and other recent factors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11518232/In-Syrias-war-Alawites-pay-heavy-price-for-loyalty-to-Bashar-al-Assad.html

BTW...

Meanwhile, funding of the Syria refugee situation has become an equally pressing problem. For 2015 as a whole, UNHCR and partners appealed for US$5.5 billion. However, as of late June, only around a quarter of the humanitarian funds requested have been received. This means refugees face tough new cuts in food aid, and struggle to afford lifesaving health services or send their children to school.

You may not care, but if interested more detail at:

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/key-facts-and-figures.html

Edited November 16, 2015 by simple1

[simple1]

I admit to not being fully informed on Australian immigration and refugee selection criteria. From what I do understand, this is not anything on par with the chaotic way the EU handled things. As long as immigrants (refugees, migrants....whatever) are properly screened, brought in at reasonable numbers and moderate pace, many problems could be avoided. This works better with a proper system of support within the the receiving country.

Wouldn't know that the Jordanian refugee camps got a higher numbers of Christians - camps in Lebanon and Turkey seem likelier. I suspect that the UNHCR is not quite up to the task of screening the masses of people involved. Not that host countries and other organizations are necessarily better. All the more reason to take things at a moderate pace. On the other hand, the humanitarian crisis will only get worse unless addressed. No easy solutions.

Many Iraqi Christians refugees in Jordan, some being assessed for entry to Oz in the current program.

[Linky]

Dutton is an idiot , look at France , you should be held accountable , if this happens in Australia why should we live in fear.

Australia is not taking refugees that are wandering the world in search of the highest bidder. They are taking only those refugees that are currently in refugee camps on the syrian border and have already been determined genuine. They are also giving preference to the christian syrian refugees.

Absolute rubbish where did you get that information as its sadly way off the mark, Boat people never came through the UN sponsored camps they arrived after flying to Indonesia and getting a boat onto Australia. Australias current government has pledge to take 12000 displaced Syrians

Because we are talking about the 12,000 the govt agreed to take from syrian refugee camps. The govt does not allow boat people to settle.

If you think its rubbish then take it up with Dutton because the information comes directly from him.

[HerbalEd]

Dutton is an idiot , look at France , you should be held accountable , if this happens in Australia why should we live in fear.

Banning these refugees is a demonstration that you are already living in fear.

[Linky]

When you fly to Australia they spray the cabins to stop pathogens and invasive species from abroad. You can't take squat in which was living plant or animal, so hung up they are about invasive species. Then they blow it and allow the worst invasive species on the planet in, well as far as culture is concerned. I just don't get it!

When was the last time you went to australia. I havent seen a plane sprayed for 20 years

[HerbalEd]

All of this reactionary hatred/mistrust/discrimination of middle-eastern refugees, and Muslim citizens of Europe, USA, Australia, Canada, etc. is exactly what ISIS and the Muslim medieval-minded radicals want to happen, and is why they attacked Paris. I think that unfortunately we're going to see a lot more such attacks in more cities.

Edited November 16, 2015 by HerbalEd

[Baerboxer]

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

Maybe his ancestors weren't voluntary migrants, political or economic.

Many "new" Australians got 'free passage".

[dexterm]

dexterm, on 16 Nov 2015 - 11:45, said:

And I wonder which Aboriginal tribe Andrew Fraser belongs to. Or did his ancestors go to Australia as economic migrants or political refugees?

Well done, Australia for welcoming refugees in distress.

The so called ' refugees ' that forks out tens of thousands of dollars to people smugglers and travel

with fake documents are nothing but scum looking to leach on a fresh pound of flesh...

if they're genuine refugees, let them wait in Turkey in be processed by the UN.... but they're not....

They have not paid people smugglers. They have been processed in camps by the UN. They have done the right thing. Get your facts straight before disgorging your usual racist cliches.

[jesimps]

All of this reactionary hatred/mistrust/discrimination of middle-eastern refugees, and Muslim citizens of Europe, USA, Australia, Canada, etc. is exactly what ISIS and the Muslim medieval-minded radicals want to happen, and is why they attacked Paris. I think that unfortunately we're going to see a lot more such attacks in more cities.

If we stopped the muslim immigration/asylum avalanche it would make it a damned site harder for IS to carry out these murders.

It's difficult to find sympathy for people who don't like you; have no intention of integrating with you and amongst whom some will try to kill you.

[dexterm]

All of this reactionary hatred/mistrust/discrimination of middle-eastern refugees, and Muslim citizens of Europe, USA, Australia, Canada, etc. is exactly what ISIS and the Muslim medieval-minded radicals want to happen, and is why they attacked Paris. I think that unfortunately we're going to see a lot more such attacks in more cities.

If we stopped the muslim immigration/asylum avalanche it would make it a damned site harder for IS to carry out these murders.

It's difficult to find sympathy for people who don't like you; have no intention of integrating with you and amongst whom some will try to kill you.

I think your objection to refugees aptly describes exactly how Australian Aborigines felt about the first European boat people and probably Mr Fraser's ancestors....and if you are Australian, yours too.

Don't prejudge people you have not even met. Take people as you find them on an individual basis. Room enough for all of us on the planet without all this xenophobia.

Edited November 16, 2015 by dexterm

[Pepper1959]

Australia is using the right process and doing it for the right reason. The haters, bigots etc who now live here are best to stay here and let Australia demonstrate that multiculturalism does work without all the backstabbers and putrid negative haters in the world.

[samran]

When you fly to Australia they spray the cabins to stop pathogens and invasive species from abroad. You can't take squat in which was living plant or animal, so hung up they are about invasive species. Then they blow it and allow the worst invasive species on the planet in, well as far as culture is concerned. I just don't get it!

You clearly don't get a lot of things.

Oh, and they haven't sprayed planes for years. Shows the last time you went there.

[lensta]

Well Peter Dutton, can you guarantee that none of the 12,000 Middle East refugees that you let into the country will not commit any

acts of terrorism on Australia against Australians? Because I can certainly guarantee that if you don't let them in, they cannot commit

​the atrocity that has just days ago been committed against Paris and her citizens.

[dexterm]

Well Peter Dutton, can you guarantee that none of the 12,000 Middle East refugees that you let into the country will not commit any

acts of terrorism on Australia against Australians? Because I can certainly guarantee that if you don't let them in, they cannot commit

​the atrocity that has just days ago been committed against Paris and her citizens.

Can anyone guarantee that 28% of Australia's estimated resident population (6.6 million people) who were born overseas, will all be law abiding citizens.?

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/mf/3412.0/

All you can humanely do is offer the hand of friendship and help when people need it most, and trust that the vast majority just as others before them will make a positive contribution to Australian society.

I hope the days of the White Australia policy and its ilk that some posters are proposing here are consigned to the trash can of history, where you prejudged a person's character by the color of their skin,, the shape of their eyelid, or their religious beliefs.

[Morch]

Well Peter Dutton, can you guarantee that none of the 12,000 Middle East refugees that you let into the country will not commit any

acts of terrorism on Australia against Australians? Because I can certainly guarantee that if you don't let them in, they cannot commit

​the atrocity that has just days ago been committed against Paris and her citizens.

Can anyone guarantee that 28% of Australia's estimated resident population (6.6 million people) who were born overseas, will all be law abiding citizens.?

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/mf/3412.0/

All you can humanely do is offer the hand of friendship and help when people need it most, and trust that the vast majority just as others before them will make a positive contribution to Australian society.

I hope the days of the White Australia policy and its ilk that some posters are proposing here are consigned to the trash can of history, where you prejudged a person's character by the color of their skin,, the shape of their eyelid, or their religious beliefs.

No one can guarantee anything, just cite figures and precedents. Most of the countries of origin mentions in the link provided are not especially known for exporting terrorism. Most are relatively stable and do not exhibit a similar lawlessness that is prevalent in some parts of the Middle East. Hence, less likelihood of engaging in criminal, violent or terrorist activities. Granted, this is a general backdrop, and does not mean all refugees arrive with the same background. At the same time, ignoring this backdrop might not be the wisest choice under current circumstances.

I think most countries successfully absorbing immigrants/migrants/refugees are those that do so in moderate numbers and at a moderate pace. This usually goes with having a good system in place to select candidates which are more likely to find their place within the host society.

Trust that most of the newcomers will turn out to be law abiding citizens does not preclude proper screening. In this regard, the Australian example seems more reasonable than how things were handled in certain European countries. If trust means letting people in without having a clue who they are and where they are heading, then trust shouldn't be a part of it.

[mrwebb8825]

He posted it on FaceBook??? Seems our little Yingluck has set a trend being followed by governments around the globe. "Government by FaceBook". She ought to paten an app for it.