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Would you? I wouldn't, because Thailand would not welcome me. I am not under fifty, but I sympathise with those who are and would like to come to Thailand to live.

When I first came to Thailand to live, I didn't get married, used tourist visas and went on visa runs every 90 days, then I worked as an English teacher for a few years and had a work permit.

I then got married and used the multi-entry non emigrant O visa which I still use today, I enjoy doing motor cycle road trips to Maesot every 90 days, and to Savakannet.

If you wanted to come and live in Thailand today, and are over fifty, did not have the money to put in the bank for a retirement visa. would you still come?

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It's not that I wouldn't come, but I just think that now I would not be able to stay for as long as I have.

I came here first in 2009 and then long term in 2010.

Being under 50, not married at the time and not working, for the first two years I stayed here on double entry tourist visas back to back. I certainly couldn't do that now.

Fortunately now I'm married, have a child and legally work here so I'm good.

I posted in another thread and I don't want to turn this into another visa discussion but there will be large numbers of expats under 50 (i suspect almost all of them, besides the ones who work here legally) will be forced to leave Thailand now because following the introduction of METV.

Posted

Yes, I would. I'm under 50.

Glad to hear it, did the METV not affect you at all? Maybe you go back to the UK every so often

and the METV suits you.

Posted

Yes, I would. I'm under 50.

Glad to hear it, did the METV not affect you at all? Maybe you go back to the UK every so often

and the METV suits you.

I'm not on a tourist visa - I live here.

Posted

Yeah I would...No longer under fifty → but life is for Living.....

I like it here....

I like it here too, but you probably have either the retirement or marriage extensions.

But we have to think of those who can't afford the money in the bank, and don't want to get married

I know some posters will say if you can't afford it you should not be here, but again that is not fair, depending on your lifestyle

it can be very easy to live on say 20.000 Bt per month, depending on where you stay, with cheap rental accommodation, cheap

transport, and cheap food.

Posted

Thats a very good question.

At the end of the day i think the pros list would just outweight the cons.

"Just" being the operative word. I dont think things are changing for the better, but, right now in the UK, it's damn cold and that would persuade me. I think.

Posted

Yes, I would. I'm under 50.

Glad to hear it, did the METV not affect you at all? Maybe you go back to the UK every so often

and the METV suits you.

I'm not on a tourist visa - I live here.

I know there are ways for expats, especially under fifties, to live here all the time ie, working here, the elite visa etc.

It is nice to see you are happy here, so am I. The new visa rules don't affect me, but I think the Thai government is being very unfair on some expats.

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It's not that I wouldn't come, but I just think that now I would not be able to stay for as long as I have.

I came here first in 2009 and then long term in 2010.

Being under 50, not married at the time and not working, for the first two years I stayed here on double entry tourist visas back to back. I certainly couldn't do that now.

Fortunately now I'm married, have a child and legally work here so I'm good.

I posted in another thread and I don't want to turn this into another visa discussion but there will be large numbers of expats under 50 (i suspect almost all of them, besides the ones who work here legally) will be forced to leave Thailand now because following the introduction of METV.

I agree with everything you have said.

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I am happy here, incredibly happy.
When I have to return in west I arrange so that the journey is the shortest possible. Every time I end my business at the airport.
And I regret not having come earlier.

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Yes, I would. I'm under 50.

Glad to hear it, did the METV not affect you at all? Maybe you go back to the UK every so often

and the METV suits you.

I'm not on a tourist visa - I live here.

I know there are ways for expats, especially under fifties, to live here all the time ie, working here, the elite visa etc.

It is nice to see you are happy here, so am I. The new visa rules don't affect me, but I think the Thai government is being very unfair on some expats.

I think tourist visas should be for tourists, not a loophole for those who have no other legitimate basis to stay here long term.

Posted

I'd be in South America or the Philippines.

Maybe France or Spain.

Anywhere with good cycling weather would do.

Thailand has nothing special ...... temples and hookers.

One you've done a dozen, you've done them all.

Posted

Sure.

Other countries are nicer.

But nowhere gives me the solid 24/7 entertainment that observing Thais does.

They are simply the funniest little things to observe. smile.png

Edit: I'm in my 30's and have lived here almost 10 yr now.

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You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Posted

If you're doing well enough to retire that early, I'd have thought the Elite visa would be well within your means.

I'm not sure why Thailand should be obliged to welcome these people with open arms.

Posted

If you're doing well enough to retire that early, I'd have thought the Elite visa would be well within your means.

I'm not sure why Thailand should be obliged to welcome these people with open arms.

I'd have thought the Elite visa would be well within your means. I'm afraid I do not agree with this, and we

will just have to agree to disagree.

Posted

Would I stay here (once I am here)? Yes

Now, I have a basic proficiency in Thai language.

Culture & politeness

Food

Visas

If this was my 1st time, then I would explore both Vietnam & Cambodia.

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV. If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

OB

Posted

Yes I would (I am under 30). Simply because I make more money here than back home (salary would be pretty much the same but life is cheaper here).

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Yes, exactly.

It's hard to fathom why they don't introduce this. Make the requirements for obtaining such a visa strict and have these under fifties have to prove finances and show they have valid health/medical insurance etc but Thailand should at least provide an option for those younger.

They could really be missing out imo, especially when you consider that all these under 50s would probably be renting and place, contributing to the local economy etc. Likely to also have a Thai GF, and lets face it would probably help in supporting her family too.

That said, over the past two years Thailand has made it plainly clear they are only now interested in those tourists who come here for two weeks and fly back out again.

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV.probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is

OB

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV.probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is

OB

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

Don't they get a visa? What are the monetary requirements for somewhere like Australia? Much much more. 100k is actually pretty cheap for residency.

OB

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV.probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is

OB

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

Don't they get a visa? What are the monetary requirements for somewhere like Australia? Much much more. 100k is actually pretty cheap for residency.

OB

Your'e last sentence. I don't agree.

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You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV.probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is

OB

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

Don't they get a visa? What are the monetary requirements for somewhere like Australia? Much much more. 100k is actually pretty cheap for residency.

OB

Your'e last sentence. I don't agree.

That's fair enough. But it's increasingly the only option isn't it? They aren't becoming more liberal. In fact it's going the opposite direction, and inline with most countries in the region if argue.

OB

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV.probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is

OB

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

They get to live here in return.

Posted

You have a point, but there should be some sort of visa to allow the under fifties to retire here provided they are

contributing to the economy.

The elite visa is only for the rich who can afford to lose 500.000 Baht every five years, not fair I would say.

What sort of visa is there for the under fifties to retire here, that is nothing to do with tourism, and they don' want to get married.

Thailand needs to have a big rethink about this.

Why do they need to do anything? People who have a legit job can get a work permit and visa. Tourists can get a visa waiver. Longer term tourists can get a METV.probably a reason for that staring one in the face.

If there is no visa type that suits someone's needs there is

OB

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

They get to live here in return.

and Thailand get our contribution to their economy for being allowed to live here.

Posted

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

They get to live here in return.

and Thailand get our contribution to their economy for being allowed to live here.

Indeed. In which context, the elite visa seems like a smart way of pre-selecting those who have something substantial to contribute.

Posted

Longer term tourists can get a METV. It is totally unreasonable to expect the average person to pay out the equivilant of 100.000 Bt per year with nothing in return.

What is OB?

They get to live here in return.

and Thailand get our contribution to their economy for being allowed to live here.

Indeed. In which context, the elite visa seems like a smart way of pre-selecting those who have something substantial to contribute.

Like I said, we will just have to agree to disagree in our opinions, but it's been a good debate.

Look forward to the next one.

Posted

I personally have no problems meeting the visa requirements.

However, I always found it strange that to be allowed to live here, you must prove a monthly income of between 2 and 3 times the average monthly salary an English teacher receives ?

When you know that the native English speaker gets a far higher salary than their Thai counterparts, I cannot see the logic.

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