US envoy repeats disappointment of repatriation of two Chinese activists

[craigt3365]

US is throwing stones in a glass house about this deportation to China as they are treating people that they don't "like" equally bad as China! Maybe all countries should stop extradite anyone to US too as they might face death penalty or be mistreated in places like Guantanamo.

Just look at Edward Snowden, US want him extradited from Russia and if he would be extradited he would certainly get the death penalty for treason. But what he did was showing the rest of the world how US really treat us.

What's in one mans eyes is a hero is in another mans eyes a criminal!

Show me where the US has imprisoned it's own citizens and tortured them for attending memorials, criticizing the government or writing political cartoons. Guantanamo isn't a good example as they were war criminals. Snowden broke some very serious laws and put people's lives at risk. Snowden wouldn't get the death penalty. But a long time in jail.

These 2 Chinese didn't put anybody's life at risk, other than their own, for speaking out about human rights abuses in China.

So you are saying they are OK to do this??? I sure hope not...

http://en.rsf.org/china-china-pursues-journalists-and-20-11-2015,48562.html

A Chinese political cartoonist who had lived in Thailand for the past seven years, was arrested three weeks ago at Beijing’s request and was deported back to China. Two other Chinese dissidents were also extradited, highlighting how China’s influence and its oppressive policies are reaching beyond its borders.

The Thai police arrested the cartoonist, Jiang Yefei (姜野飞), on 28 October, held him in a prison for illegal immigrants in Bangkok for just over two weeks and finally put him on a plane chartered by the Chinese government on 13 November after denying him any contact with his family for the last eight days.

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) had nonetheless recognized his refugee status and Canada had offered to take both him and his family. Before fleeing to Thailand in 2008, he had been imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese authorities for criticizing their handling of the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan.

[craigt3365]

Amazing how some blast the US, but think what China is doing is OK. Anyone want to move there?

http://index.rsf.org/#!/index-details/CHN

Ranked 176th out of 180 countries in the 2015 Reporters Without Borders press freedom index, China continues to take advantage of the international community’s silence to extend its prerogatives in breach of international law.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'm an American, and have no problem in saying that there are (I believe) quite a few countries that simply won't extradite suspects to the U.S. in cases where they could face the death penalty. Because those countries are opposed to the death penalty and don't have it in their own country.

Lots of Americans are opposed to the death penalty, although U.S. laws allow it in some cases. That said, at least those countries are standing up for their human rights principles, and acting accordingly. Unlike Thailand, which stands for, I don't know, political self interest and expediency in devotion to China???

[ausbeat999]

regardless of research does the Chinese government or the Thai government stick there nose into Americas affairs.. get my point

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

or the Thai government stick there nose into Americas affairs.. get my point

As regards Thailand and the U.S., how often do you see an ant picking a fight with an elephant? Get my point?

Plus, Thailand has more than enough to deal with at home, without casting its political expertise abroad.

[phoenixdoglover]

regardless of research does the Chinese government or the Thai government stick there nose into Americas affairs.. get my point

In fact, yes.

The Chinese routinely make critical remarks about the US.

But more to the point, it is the role of any ambassador to any country to express both pleasure and displeasure regarding policies or actions of the host country that are at variance with their own country's policies.

This demand that other countries stop "sticking their nose" into other countries' business is most often simply a defensive reaction for being called out.

[Baerboxer]

Prawit told reporters that Thailand was already democratic, since the government had followed steps in the road map which would lead eventually to an election."

Already democratic? The world says no!

The world says no - you asked them all then?

Most of the world wouldn't give 2 figs about Thailand,

[Baerboxer]

US is throwing stones in a glass house about this deportation to China as they are treating people that they don't "like" equally bad as China! Maybe all countries should stop extradite anyone to US too as they might face death penalty or be mistreated in places like Guantanamo.

Just look at Edward Snowden, US want him extradited from Russia and if he would be extradited he would certainly get the death penalty for treason. But what he did was showing the rest of the world how US really treat us.

What's in one mans eyes is a hero is in another mans eyes a criminal!

Show me where the US has imprisoned it's own citizens and tortured them for attending memorials, criticizing the government or writing political cartoons. Guantanamo isn't a good example as they were war criminals. Snowden broke some very serious laws and put people's lives at risk. Snowden wouldn't get the death penalty. But a long time in jail.

These 2 Chinese didn't put anybody's life at risk, other than their own, for speaking out about human rights abuses in China.

So you are saying they are OK to do this??? I sure hope not...

http://en.rsf.org/china-china-pursues-journalists-and-20-11-2015,48562.html

A Chinese political cartoonist who had lived in Thailand for the past seven years, was arrested three weeks ago at Beijing’s request and was deported back to China. Two other Chinese dissidents were also extradited, highlighting how China’s influence and its oppressive policies are reaching beyond its borders.

The Thai police arrested the cartoonist, Jiang Yefei (姜野飞), on 28 October, held him in a prison for illegal immigrants in Bangkok for just over two weeks and finally put him on a plane chartered by the Chinese government on 13 November after denying him any contact with his family for the last eight days.

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) had nonetheless recognized his refugee status and Canada had offered to take both him and his family. Before fleeing to Thailand in 2008, he had been imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese authorities for criticizing their handling of the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan.

Agree with most of what you write. But, were the "war criminals" of Guantanamo" all fairly tried and convicted as war criminals by a court of law?

[Linky]

US is throwing stones in a glass house about this deportation to China as they are treating people that they don't "like" equally bad as China! Maybe all countries should stop extradite anyone to US too as they might face death penalty or be mistreated in places like Guantanamo.

Just look at Edward Snowden, US want him extradited from Russia and if he would be extradited he would certainly get the death penalty for treason. But what he did was showing the rest of the world how US really treat us.

What's in one mans eyes is a hero is in another mans eyes a criminal!

Show me where the US has imprisoned it's own citizens and tortured them for attending memorials, criticizing the government or writing political cartoons. Guantanamo isn't a good example as they were war criminals. Snowden broke some very serious laws and put people's lives at risk. Snowden wouldn't get the death penalty. But a long time in jail.

These 2 Chinese didn't put anybody's life at risk, other than their own, for speaking out about human rights abuses in China.

So you are saying they are OK to do this??? I sure hope not...

http://en.rsf.org/china-china-pursues-journalists-and-20-11-2015,48562.html

A Chinese political cartoonist who had lived in Thailand for the past seven years, was arrested three weeks ago at Beijings request and was deported back to China. Two other Chinese dissidents were also extradited, highlighting how Chinas influence and its oppressive policies are reaching beyond its borders.

The Thai police arrested the cartoonist, Jiang Yefei (姜野飞), on 28 October, held him in a prison for illegal immigrants in Bangkok for just over two weeks and finally put him on a plane chartered by the Chinese government on 13 November after denying him any contact with his family for the last eight days.

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) had nonetheless recognized his refugee status and Canada had offered to take both him and his family. Before fleeing to Thailand in 2008, he had been imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese authorities for criticizing their handling of the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan.

Agree with most of what you write. But, were the "war criminals" of Guantanamo" all fairly tried and convicted as war criminals by a court of law?

I think one may have been convicted once.

But then you have others found to have no case to answer but are still held.

[Ulic]

China is the USA's 2nd biggest trading partner and soon to be there biggest. There is absolutely

no way the "shining city upon a hill" would be trading with a Chinese government that had any

significant human rights violations against it. Absolutely not, so there is no issues sending these

individuals back. If there were any issues I would expect the US and EU, in particular Britain who

just rolled out the red carpet with great pomp and ceremony to have taken it up with the Chinese.

The US ambassador should have this all pointed out and then told to PFO.

[Dap]

"Know" and "care" seem to have the same meaning in the Thai language...................

Didn't know, didn't ask, didn't listen, didn't care, in whatever order one pleases

[ausbeat999]

America keep your nose out of others affairs .you have overthrown many governments and created havoc stop being a hypocrite..

Here’s a list.

Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Vietnam 1950’s, Congo 1961, Brazil 1964, Indonesia 1965, Chile 1973, Haiti 1990, Thailand 1957, Ecuador 1963,

The Dominican Rep 1963, Argentina 1963, Honduras 1963,2009,

Iraq 1963,2003, Bolivia 1964,1972,1980, Ghana 1966, Greece 1967, Panama 1968,1989, Cambodia 1970, Bangladesh 1975, Pakistan 1977, Grenada 1983, Mauritania 1984, Guinea 1984, Burkina Faso 1987, Paraguay 1989, Uganda 1996, Libya 2011. And the list goes on.

[Jim walker]

Deputy Prime Minister Prawit said his government would from now on ask the United Nations refugee agency how to deal with foreign dissidents arrested in Thailand. Easy just do as China tells you as they will be the Thai masters soon. bought and paid for

[dominique355]

The real problem that Thai legislation does not recognize the legal status of a "refugee" , but treats them as illegal aliens with no rights whatsoever.

Combine that with a "brown nose" attitude towards Communist China and nobody is surprised that these people are sent back to China where they will vanish.

[cookee68]

Well they was wanted for crimes in China, and China is their best buddy now that the US have dropped them like a cold

[craigt3365]

US is throwing stones in a glass house about this deportation to China as they are treating people that they don't "like" equally bad as China! Maybe all countries should stop extradite anyone to US too as they might face death penalty or be mistreated in places like Guantanamo.

Just look at Edward Snowden, US want him extradited from Russia and if he would be extradited he would certainly get the death penalty for treason. But what he did was showing the rest of the world how US really treat us.

What's in one mans eyes is a hero is in another mans eyes a criminal!

Show me where the US has imprisoned it's own citizens and tortured them for attending memorials, criticizing the government or writing political cartoons. Guantanamo isn't a good example as they were war criminals. Snowden broke some very serious laws and put people's lives at risk. Snowden wouldn't get the death penalty. But a long time in jail.

These 2 Chinese didn't put anybody's life at risk, other than their own, for speaking out about human rights abuses in China.

So you are saying they are OK to do this??? I sure hope not...

http://en.rsf.org/china-china-pursues-journalists-and-20-11-2015,48562.html

A Chinese political cartoonist who had lived in Thailand for the past seven years, was arrested three weeks ago at Beijing’s request and was deported back to China. Two other Chinese dissidents were also extradited, highlighting how China’s influence and its oppressive policies are reaching beyond its borders.

The Thai police arrested the cartoonist, Jiang Yefei (姜野飞), on 28 October, held him in a prison for illegal immigrants in Bangkok for just over two weeks and finally put him on a plane chartered by the Chinese government on 13 November after denying him any contact with his family for the last eight days.

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) had nonetheless recognized his refugee status and Canada had offered to take both him and his family. Before fleeing to Thailand in 2008, he had been imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese authorities for criticizing their handling of the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan.

Agree with most of what you write. But, were the "war criminals" of Guantanamo" all fairly tried and convicted as war criminals by a court of law?

No. And for good reason. Bring them to US soil and they'd have an army of lawyers working with them for years with the prospect of trial a long way off. All the while US taxpayers would be funding the spectacle. War criminals should be treated different. IMHO. Don't know about all, as I've not researched it, but many were hardened war criminals. In the end, it was a big mess with no easy answers.

[craigt3365]

Well they was wanted for crimes in China, and China is their best buddy now that the US have dropped them like a cold

The US just assigned a new ambassador. Who's been doing meet and greets all over the country. Not sure that's dropping them cold???? But due to US law, rules are in place for dealing with nations that have had a coup. And for good reason.

[bangon04]

China is the USA's 2nd biggest trading partner and soon to be there biggest. There is absolutely

no way the "shining city upon a hill" would be trading with a Chinese government that had any

significant human rights violations against it. Absolutely not, so there is no issues sending these

individuals back. If there were any issues I would expect the US and EU, in particular Britain who

just rolled out the red carpet with great pomp and ceremony to have taken it up with the Chinese.

The US ambassador should have this all pointed out and then told to PFO.

Good post, but what you have actually done is highlight the nauseating, mealy-mouthed hypocrisy which is often practised by the US and its lackey, the UK, whenever the interests of big business / oil companies / arms industry / banks / other international conglomerates are in any way threatened.

China relations are already "too big to fail" so don't expect any integrity from western governments any time soon....

[craigt3365]

China is the USA's 2nd biggest trading partner and soon to be there biggest. There is absolutely

no way the "shining city upon a hill" would be trading with a Chinese government that had any

significant human rights violations against it. Absolutely not, so there is no issues sending these

individuals back. If there were any issues I would expect the US and EU, in particular Britain who

just rolled out the red carpet with great pomp and ceremony to have taken it up with the Chinese.

The US ambassador should have this all pointed out and then told to PFO.

Good post, but what you have actually done is highlight the nauseating, mealy-mouthed hypocrisy which is often practised by the US and its lackey, the UK, whenever the interests of big business / oil companies / arms industry / banks / other international conglomerates are in any way threatened.

China relations are already "too big to fail" so don't expect any integrity from western governments any time soon....

The US does reports on human rights. The report by the US about the US is critical of it's human rights record. They are critical of themselves and others also. Not sure how that is hypocrisy. What's wrong with trying to promote human rights? I'm sure if you were one of these deported activists, your comments might be a bit different.