LannaGuy Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 they may charge him with LM! this is Amazing (I love it) Were they to do so, it would be a breach of diplomatic immunity as well as amounting to a direct threat of violence against a foreign ambassador. Much more of this sort of thing and there is going to be a very, very strong reaction from Washington, perhaps including a ban on Thai exports of all kinds to the US as well as a freeze on the country's participation in any regional or global trade agencies. I hope this doesn't occur, because it would devastate Thailand for a decade or more. But the US can just about destroy the Thai economy in six hours if they want to do so. my 'i love it' was sarcastic not literal as they continually play into the hands of those they seek to manipulate and control (which is just about the whole nation - well at least the poorest 99%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Attempting to charge the US ambassador doesn't make sense. The ambassador criticized the law, not the institution it was designed to protect. I think it is clear from his carefully chosen words that (as a representative of his country) the US does not (or perhaps can not) oppose the law itself, merely just the way it is being applied under the current regime. In any case, I am not a lawyer but it seems that the group that initiated the investigation into the speech and the FCCT doesn't have a leg to stand on in this instance. I am pretty sure that the ambassador's speech was reviewed several times at the State Dept (if not written there) to ensure it delivered a clear message but was within the limits of Thai/int'l law. However, the amateurs who filed the complaint must have assumed that the most powerful nation in the history of the world became so by following the Thai model of governance and civil service through nepotism and not meritocracy. It will be interesting to see what transpires and if or how the US responds. Did these numpties really think these were the ambassador's own personal thoughts and feelings? Everything foreign service people say and do is a reflection of their country and their country's policies (it is their job). Every word and action is carefully chosen, unlike... Edited December 9, 2015 by docshock13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookedondhamma Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 A monk that desires anything is not a monk!kind of. One who desires things that excite the senses is but a human, and those who wear robes are human.If they're working to defeat that then they're practicing ascetics. but the desire for unbinding is somewhat necessary as a monk; it's what the practicing ones strive for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryguy Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 ALL Religions have Radicals. This one Monk and a few other Ultra-Nationalist like him are a Radical bunch of xenophobic western haters who do not want to see change or any thought of modernity here come about. Yes, he will do his best to pull out the OLD Monarchist. The few that are left with their Golden Portraits dusted off. Most young Thai's will Laugh and know that there are a hundred reasons and a hundred websites to go to so they can now learn the truth. ALL Thai children here are brainwashed into submission at an early age. A lot of Thai's seem to still live at home in their late 20's and into their 30's and tend to submit their thought patterns on Grandfather's tale of the Fine achievements of Rain cloud seeding and Elvis encounters and obtaining the Guinness Book of world records for most billboards depictions. I do have hope in the Thai youth and many are becoming much more agnostic and atheist because of Monks like this. They will no longer go to the temple with Grandmother and they will no longer support what they are trying to demand comes next as it happens to all of us eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Not that sure on how LM works but does this guy who is encouraging people to break the law by protesting, fall foul of it ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 they may charge him with LM! this is Amazing (I love it) Were they to do so, it would be a breach of diplomatic immunity as well as amounting to a direct threat of violence against a foreign ambassador. Much more of this sort of thing and there is going to be a very, very strong reaction from Washington, perhaps including a ban on Thai exports of all kinds to the US as well as a freeze on the country's participation in any regional or global trade agencies. I hope this doesn't occur, because it would devastate Thailand for a decade or more. But the US can just about destroy the Thai economy in six hours if they want to do so. If I'm correct he could only be charged if the US waives his diplomatic immunity and that's not going to happen. Do the Thais actually know what they're doing, surely someone at the Foreign Ministry must be aware of the appropriate protocols but there again this is a country that happily releases statements on behalf of other nations, organisations etc. with no concern for diplomatic niceties. As suggested this may only be for show however it's a dangerous road to go down but TIT. The double standards in play these days are appalling and if the PM panders to ultra-nationalism while clamping down on everyone else it's going to backfire big time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I wonder how long it will be before the saffron agitator stages illegal rallies at the UK or Cdn Embassies? And more interestingly what junta's response will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellacissa Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just saw a story about this on BBC news. Maybe a little international attention will help them realize that they're barking up the wrong tree here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Anyone can make a complaint against someone for LM. The police are obligated to investigate. I think that's what's happened here. One of the loonies made a complaint. It doesn't mean the police will investigate seriously. It doesn't mean the government are pursuing the complaint. Wasn't Jonathan Head (BBC correspondent) investigated for LM a couple of years ago? That 'investigation' didn't go anywhere. Again, I think started by one of the loonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddv Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 OMG !! Criticize a law or a regulation as outdated and archaic!! Please just go meditate somewhere!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgphuket Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 "royalist monk" What happened to the precept that monks will not be involved in politics. So wrong on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellacissa Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Anyone can make a complaint against someone for LM. The police are obligated to investigate. I think that's what's happened here. One of the loonies made a complaint. It doesn't mean the police will investigate seriously. It doesn't mean the government are pursuing the complaint. Wasn't Jonathan Head (BBC correspondent) investigated for LM a couple of years ago? That 'investigation' didn't go anywhere. Again, I think started by one of the loonies. That's one of the big problems. Anyone can file a complaint. And in this case, it was filed by someone that obviously had no clue how the law SHOULD be applied or of the rules regarding diplomatic immunity.The alternative is that the person was perfectly aware of the rules and filed it just to stir up controversy. Edited to add: Defamation laws being what they are, I'll refrain from saying which of those two scenarios I believe to be true. Edited December 10, 2015 by Bellacissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutojames88 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Why I think they are doing it is to cancel his appointment as Envoy . Though he has diplomatic immunity , under Thai law they can ( if found guilty) not recognise his credentials further . And he would have to be withdrawn. A normal Thai government wouldn't wish to cause this kind of embarrassment and major rift. But this is a very different fish in power. And the LM is their dark weapon of choice which must never be questioned. The United States is now moving this into their news feed after it appeared on BBC The insult to Americans has already been made. Now the reaction by their Embassy in Bangkok will be interesting. I hope it's sharp and clear . Edited December 10, 2015 by Plutojames88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usernames Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I would "like" some of the posts on here. But I'm not sure if it's safe to do so. Heck, I'm not even sure if it's safe to say I will not "like" something because it's not safe to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 One can only imagine the result if Donald Trump were to get wind of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutojames88 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I forwarded the story to far right media like Bill O Riely ...and altered a few other local media outlets . The response so far is cordial by Washington . They simply point out free speech is their principle . I watched the actual speech . To do so go to New York times He was very polite and honest. Mr Davis seems balanced and correct. He certainly was soft spoken and realistic. Thailand is in danger of economic sanctions and being snubbed by tourists from the west if they continue down a path of little respect. It's one thing to tinker with words and jail people for being critical But a United States envoy is not in the league Even a rebuff is a big mistake. These people took over by gun. They hardly have the high moral ground And need to remind themselves of civilised law in the 21st century before embarking on having police exam a US envoy. They might even quicken their own demise Which I suppose is something Edited December 10, 2015 by Plutojames88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookedondhamma Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) "royalist monk" What happened to the precept that monks will not be involved in politics. So wrong on many levels.it's a sign of the times. Eventually it will be wiped out by neglect and carelessness.I also don't think he's a royalist. He's a thai who wants to gain fame by being in the spotlight and using other thai to get there. Edited December 10, 2015 by hookedondhamma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloghead Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 He demands an apology... Wow, that's rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseLost Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Time for some lighthearted (but very fitting) entertainment? This is how Thailand is starting to appear to me: Monty Python Stoning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 One can only imagine the result if Donald Trump were to get wind of this... I thought Donald Trump already was flatulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awakewarrior Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Citizens of many countries suffered this type of LOVE, just like hostages taken by terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I forwarded the story to far right media like Bill O Riely ...and altered a few other local media outlets . The response so far is cordial by Washington . They simply point out free speech is their principle . I watched the actual speech . To do so go to New York times He was very polite and honest. Mr Davis seems balanced and correct. He certainly was soft spoken and realistic. Thailand is in danger of economic sanctions and being snubbed by tourists from the west if they continue down a path of little respect. It's one thing to tinker with words and jail people for being critical But a United States envoy is not in the league Even a rebuff is a big mistake. These people took over by gun. They hardly have the high moral ground And need to remind themselves of civilised law in the 21st century before embarking on having police exam a US envoy. They might even quicken their own demise Which I suppose is something Jailing anyone for being critical of a government, no matter how humble his standing, is just as wrong, just as wrong, as going after ambassador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Time for some lighthearted (but very fitting) entertainment? This is how Thailand is starting to appear to me: Monty Python Stoning... sad but true the sheer stupidity of all religions inc Buddhism ( lets not say it isnt) always appalls me, the mindless followers flocking too it ,can see it everyday here in society, I long for the day they all wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Time for some lighthearted (but very fitting) entertainment? This is how Thailand is starting to appear to me: ... sad but true the sheer stupidity of all religions inc Buddhism ( lets not say it isnt) always appalls me, the mindless followers flocking too it ,can see it everyday here in society, I long for the day they all wake up.How shall we wake up, master..? His gourd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyDelight Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Buddha demands apology from activist and royalist monk for overstepping his duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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