cornishcarlos Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I've been "close" to an incident like this. It would help to know what time this happened. If it was night time, i'd put money on the Thai vessel having no navigation aids, and the captain was probably enjoying a few jars. The super yacht would have had a manned bridge, and radar i guess. Paying for compensation would be normal practise, and a nice gesture from the captain, as this would be the Thai subsistence method. Daytime, apparently there is no doubt the yacht was at fault. Was it unser sail in which case it is unlikely to be at fault as others give way to sail Wy you did not looked at the picture, the yacht is clearly not under sail, secondly the fishing boat was anchored. I will add, what is really scary is a 200 feet vessel navigating carelessly without any one having an eye on the radar since they believed putting the radar's alarm on was unnecessary Why would they be looking at the radar ? It was a bright sunny day, just looking where they were going would have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyman Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) “The owner of the superyacht agreed to pay full compensation to the fishing boat, so there was no need for us to charge anyone,” Lt Col Panya said. “We were just there to help.” That's one of the problems here. Pay a bit of money and nothing goes on your record. You're free to cause problems again. If a law was broken, the offending party needs to be charged. True, although it can also work for you ! Just imagine that you caused a minor traffic accident and can pay it off on site and be on your way, would you rather follow the law, pay nothing and spend the whole night at the police station ? Edited December 19, 2015 by luckyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I bet that made the cork fall out of his lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahooka Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Are the pictures from PG at the moment of impact ? Whatever means of navigation aid a boat has the most important still is the eyes on the bridge.....relying on radar and other technical installations only is regarded as reckless sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Why would they be looking at the radar ? It was a bright sunny day, just looking where they were going would have done Because steering a ship that size, sunny day or not, the boat being 200 feet long one do not see much in front of her, but just a modest seaman's opinion, I've done a lot of sailing alone, when doing something else than steering, like cooking for instance my boat under auto-pilot I always put a radar-alarm in front of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Are the pictures from PG at the moment of impact ? Whatever means of navigation aid a boat has the most important still is the eyes on the bridge.....relying on radar and other technical installations only is regarded as reckless sailing.There's fishermen in the water who jumped ship, so PG photos seem to be very shortly after impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Why would they be looking at the radar ? It was a bright sunny day, just looking where they were going would have done Because steering a ship that size, sunny day or not, the boat being 200 feet long one do not see much in front of her, but just a modest seaman's opinion, I've done a lot of sailing alone, when doing something else than steering, like cooking for instance my boat under auto-pilot I always put a radar-alarm in front of me You are right, a modest opinion... I can be pretty certain that the Captain on that vessel didn't have to duck down to the galley and knock up his own pancakes Radar is a back up, a good watch keeper would have spotted an anchored fishing boat long before it was below the bow !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bark Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 And 5 Slaves jumped from the Thai fishing boat and are now working on the other boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Are the pictures from PG at the moment of impact ? Whatever means of navigation aid a boat has the most important still is the eyes on the bridge.....relying on radar and other technical installations only is regarded as reckless sailing.What's puzzling about the pics is that it looks like an aerial shot. Did they have a drone flying above? It can't be taken from the coast because that's in the background. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hmmm.....I'm bigger than you are.....get out of the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) I've been "close" to an incident like this. It would help to know what time this happened. If it was night time, i'd put money on the Thai vessel having no navigation aids, and the captain was probably enjoying a few jars. The super yacht would have had a manned bridge, and radar i guess. Paying for compensation would be normal practise, and a nice gesture from the captain, as this would be the Thai subsistence method. Daytime, apparently there is no doubt the yacht was at fault. Was it unser sail in which case it is unlikely to be at fault as others give way to sailDoesn't look like it in the pic, if that pic is of the actual incident. Edited December 19, 2015 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapfries Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I like the comment " we were just here to help". Yes help the fishing boat negotiate a bigger fee. Then help relieve the said fishing boat owner of such a heavy load of 1000 baht notes to the value of about 40%. The only thing those blokes like to help is themselves to other peoples money. Be that as it may, but this is clearly a case of "Gross Negligence" on the part of that (not so attractive) Super-Yacht ! - I would hate to round Singapore (Straights-of-Malaga), at night, with THAT skipper in charge ! ! ! I mean, if he can't manage to spot that fishing boat, in clear day-light; what change does he have at night ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanukjim Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 “The owner of the superyacht agreed to pay full compensation to the fishing boat, so there was no need for us to charge anyone,” Lt Col Panya said. “We were just there to help.” That's one of the problems here. Pay a bit of money and nothing goes on your record. You're free to cause problems again. If a law was broken, the offending party needs to be charged. Here it's the "Law of the jungle,The way the cookie crumbles" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The wood on that fishing boat is rotten if you look at how it handled the impact at the rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I like the comment " we were just here to help". Yes help the fishing boat negotiate a bigger fee. Then help relieve the said fishing boat owner of such a heavy load of 1000 baht notes to the value of about 40%. The only thing those blokes like to help is themselves to other peoples money. Be that as it may, but this is clearly a case of "Gross Negligence" on the part of that (not so attractive) Super-Yacht ! - I would hate to round Singapore (Straights-of-Malaga), at night, with THAT skipper in charge ! ! ! I mean, if he can't manage to spot that fishing boat, in clear day-light; what change does he have at night ? ? ? Can you guide us through the Malaga Straights Captain [emoji572]️[emoji6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker1 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I've been "close" to an incident like this. It would help to know what time this happened. If it was night time, i'd put money on the Thai vessel having no navigation aids, and the captain was probably enjoying a few jars. The super yacht would have had a manned bridge, and radar i guess. Paying for compensation would be normal practise, and a nice gesture from the captain, as this would be the Thai subsistence method. Daytime, apparently there is no doubt the yacht was at fault. Was it unser sail in which case it is unlikely to be at fault as others give way to sail The fishing boat was reported to be at anchor, so most likely the yacht was at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I like the comment " we were just here to help". Yes help the fishing boat negotiate a bigger fee. Then help relieve the said fishing boat owner of such a heavy load of 1000 baht notes to the value of about 40%. The only thing those blokes like to help is themselves to other peoples money. I read the linked article and it didn't include any of this information...oh, wait, you were just tsking creative license. Hey, when the truth doesn't fit your paranoia then rewrite the facts by all means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 It obviously had no canvas out and based on the wind and closeness to shore and the fact there were 18 guests aboard it is obvious it was not under sail. Furthermore, there are no crew at the bow even after impact so certsinly no bow watch. The interesting thing is the churned up water suggests the fishing boat did have its engine running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springheeled jack Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 this accident most probably happened at night and the yachts captain did the right thing if in doubt pay out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 this accident most probably happened at night and the yachts captain did the right thing if in doubt pay out . Whatabout the canvas lieing near the bow....and the neely roller reefed jib not stowed away like all the other sails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Was it unser sail in which case it is unlikely to be at fault as others give way to sailDoesn't look like it in the pic, if that pic is of the actual incident. I think the pic used is actually from the police re-enactment. Edited December 20, 2015 by Old Croc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Many believe Phuket is the most dangerous place in the world to drive. It seems the danger area extends beyond the surf line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 this accident most probably happened at night and the yachts captain did the right thing if in doubt pay out .Daytime. Read the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 this accident most probably happened at night and the yachts captain did the right thing if in doubt pay out .Daytime. Read the link. What link..it has been removed...it did not happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 this accident most probably happened at night and the yachts captain did the right thing if in doubt pay out .Daytime. Read the link. What link..it has been removed...it did not happen In that case just read the thread or any of the news outlets. Phuketwan has the story, Phuket News does, http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-fishing-boat-saved-from-sinking-after-collision-with-ketch-55485.php as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Good thing the fishing vessels was not manned by Ethiopian pirates. That would be hard as Ethiopia is a land-locked country. Perchance do you mean Somali pirates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The Thai boat probly tried to cut the Yacht off..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernphil Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 'iron wood hulled phinisi ' What is this in English please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 'iron wood hulled phinisi ' What is this in English please ? Well.......you could use Google. Iron wood, a common name given to many different woods, but, all have the properties of being hard and dense. A Phinisi is a traditional sailing vessel from Indonesia, closely associated with Makassar (Ujung Pandang) on the island of Sulawesi. Therefore, iron wood hulled Phinisi is a traditional Indonesian sailing boat with a very hard wooden hull. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi080 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 No suprise ofcourse . Seems any kind of transport need to crash in Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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