Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/headlines/Ex-PM-playing-a-game-with-footy-club-junta--30037812.html

thaksin was issued his passports by his sister and his cousin illegally, they were continually called before the court to explain why they did it but kept dodging it because they knew they didnt have a leg to stand on. The man is a wanted criminal, he refuses to come back to Thailand because he has so many warrants standing over him and he knows he will go away for a long time in jail which he refuses to do. How in the hell he can even issue court proceeding without being here is bullsh*t, he needs to be here to actually state his case but he is a chicken sh*t and is too scared of being locked up, the man is a total pathetic coward, this should be tossed out as he refuses to show up in court to defend himself. Anyone that even thinks this moron has the right to do what he is doing has rocks in their heads and brown rings on their ankles, thaksin is a dirt bag of the highest order, he is simply pissed that no one is standing up for him and he is finally realising he is worth nothing in this country apart from those that are on his pay role, without it he is a washed up has been. Box head is a rich no body, pity he is just too stupid/up himself to realize it.

So eloquent.

I love it.

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

Please check ut whom was PM. Det me tell you that it was Thaksin's lapdog and Thaksin's party PPP Who rum Thailand.

another chance to get attention.they must know he holds several passports.he is wanted for a prison term so why not cancel it.

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

Maybe he should appear in person. That would add credibility to his claim.

Like that would ever happen.

thaksin was issued his passports by his sister and his cousin illegally, they were continually called before the court to explain why they did it but kept dodging it because they knew they didnt have a leg to stand on. The man is a wanted criminal, he refuses to come back to Thailand because he has so many warrants standing over him and he knows he will go away for a long time in jail which he refuses to do. How in the hell he can even issue court proceeding without being here is bullsh*t, he needs to be here to actually state his case but he is a chicken sh*t and is too scared of being locked up, the man is a total pathetic coward, this should be tossed out as he refuses to show up in court to defend himself. Anyone that even thinks this moron has the right to do what he is doing has rocks in their heads and brown rings on their ankles, thaksin is a dirt bag of the highest order, he is simply pissed that no one is standing up for him and he is finally realising he is worth nothing in this country apart from those that are on his pay role, without it he is a washed up has been. Box head is a rich no body, pity he is just too stupid/up himself to realize it.

So eloquent.

I love it.

Plus he has lost so much face not being allowed back as he had planned and losses more each and everyday he is away from his so-called beloved Thailand. As a self exile, he is free to come back anytime that suits him, but he won't as he knows there is prison time waiting which would be a greater loss of face than he is currently putting up with.

Life is sweet isn't it?

Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/headlines/Ex-PM-playing-a-game-with-footy-club-junta--30037812.html

Is that the best you can do 1 press report from june 2007. which was a threat to lodge an extradition charge!

against Thaksin.

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

Nonsense. You have no idea what other countries government's think or what most Thais think anymore than anyone else. Or have you carried out research you can share with us?

Other countries won't act unless they are requested to. And Thaksin knows no Thai government has the bottle to do that. Besides which he enjoys the special treatment Billionaires with their own private planes enjoy. More dubious countries keep cordial relations with him in case he does get back in power and can again deliver favors.

His conviction was genuine - he broke the law, got caught, tried bribing his way and legged it when that failed.

Most Thais, and those in other countries interested enough, probably see a corrupt crook who is compulsive liar. But in the world today, corruption and lying, providing your wealthy enough as become acceptable. Ask Blatter and Pattini.

Didn't his party won a landslide election. That's how the people perceived the conviction.

After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction.

"Didn't his party won a landslide election. That's how the people perceived the conviction.".

All refuted a million times and you know it, but no doubt you believe it's worth trotting out again, somebody might just believe you.

At best it might help to keep your negative post count up.

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The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

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Again we are seeing....the stupidity of the Thai legal system ..........a convicted felon instigating a legal case..........that the Tha legal system accepts..........the systems f**ked!!

So a convicted shoplifter should not be allowed to sue a doctor for malpractice when (s)he wakes up minus a leg instead of minus an appendix?

Is the shoplifter involved in due process, or served their time and paid their debt to society?

Why should it matter? Surely the two cases are entirely separate? If the shoplifter was taken from his/her cell to hospital where the mistake was made, (s)he should have no recourse to the law as the debt to society for that particular crime had not been fully paid?

If they are taken from their cell to the hospital, absolutely. They are actively involved in the due process.

It is totally different if the shoplifter has fled the country to avoid the punishment, and wants to sue the doctor through his high paid attorneys without actually coming back to the country.

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

If they are taken from their cell to the hospital, absolutely. They are actively involved in the due process.

It is totally different if the shoplifter has fled the country to avoid the punishment, and wants to sue the doctor through his high paid attorneys without actually coming back to the country.

I do in fact have a good deal of sympathy with the point you are making, but The Law Is The Law and should remain so, even if we have to reluctantly hold our noses at times.

Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/headlines/Ex-PM-playing-a-game-with-footy-club-junta--30037812.html

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

For the love of god almighty...give his passport back to him and then; TRY, CONVICT, EXECUTE.

Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/headlines/Ex-PM-playing-a-game-with-footy-club-junta--30037812.html

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

The 2010 charge was one of terrorism as de facto leader of the UDD and their merry bunch of cowardly night attackers. That charge was documented and submitted to Interpol and got stalled because of incomplete documentation. As such Interpol didn't have a 'terrorism' case as no Thai government persued it. Also it might be that the RTP force didn't put their best effort into getting a case against their darling Police Lieutenant-Colonel Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra. Even with the revocation of the new passports this time they dragged their feet. Maybe because they felt a criminal fugitive naturally deserved a Thai Police rank.

BTW I can't find any statement from Interpol on all this. Only statements from the Abhisit government that Interpol had requested all documentation be in English.

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by rubl

For the love of god almighty...give his passport back to him 600085_4420763927046_1805786326_n.jpgand then; TRY, CONVICT, EXECUTE.

And the point of trying when the outcome has already been preordained is?

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

But they are stripped of their passports, which makes the suit either frivolous or vexatious, both grounds for denial.

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

But they are stripped of their passports, which makes the suit either frivolous or vexatious, both grounds for denial.

They could put in on the list of all other outstanding proceedings waiting for his return from self imposed exile - all of course to be heard in date order.

So no major problems on the part of Thailand - seems the problem is with the other party.

Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/headlines/Ex-PM-playing-a-game-with-footy-club-junta--30037812.html

The Abhisit government started the extradition procedure by petitioning Interpol after May 2010, but the documentation was incomplete and lots still needed to be translated into English. As the Abhisit government had lots of other things to do and since soon the steps on the road to general elections were taken, no one really bothered.

Then we had elections and somehow the Thaksin controlled and lead Yingluck government didn't do anything either. More over around the 26th of October 2011 when the Thai nation was wading through floodwaters the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who just happened to be related to Thaksin if only by marriage) somehow managed to issue shiny new passports from flooded offices and have them delivered to a criminal fugitive abroad.

Begin of December 2011 the MoFA still lied and denied till his deputy about mid-December finally confirmed that the misdeed had been perpetrated.

Following we had the Ombudsman frequently request information from the MoFA and even the PM and everytime letters seemed mislaid, not received, need more time, 'right of Thais to get a passport', etc., etc.

Now if the Abhisit government revoked passports without Thaksin raising a court case against such action, why does he think that now he'll be successful?

In the end interpol rejected "out right" any arrest order from the the thai government for Thaksin stating it was politically motivated. So no extradition was ever submitted to any country for him.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/27/politics/Will-Interpol-act-30130317.html

I have read the nationmultimedia report above but I found no reference to Interpol rejecting "outright" any arrest order from Thailand.

I could not find it anywhere.

Perhaps you could post the part which says that?

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

but they are still required to show up in court to present it, another load of garbage from a thaksin apologist. He has several outstanding actions against him aside from the one he has been charged with but then you simply ignore the truth as its easier, only someone that worships him could fail to see just how guilty him and his family/party are but then thats what we expect from his fan club, suggest you refer to my previous post, describes you lot to a tee, pathetic.

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

but they are still required to show up in court to present it, another load of garbage from a thaksin apologist. He has several outstanding actions against him aside from the one he has been charged with but then you simply ignore the truth as its easier, only someone that worships him could fail to see just how guilty him and his family/party are but then thats what we expect from his fan club, suggest you refer to my previous post, describes you lot to a tee, pathetic.

Thanks for enlightening me on what I think....

So are you of the fan club to strip him of human rights also?

Is this lawyer the same 'Wattana' who, very temporarily, lost his marbles to tell the media, by 'mistake' of course, that some red arsonist had got the death penalty, while it was in fact a life sentence...?

What about the circumstances those TWO (why 'just' two, not ten with more 'alias', how can we know?) passports were issued under?

Wasn't the FA building issuing passports, very briefly, just for the sake of it, re-opened, while it remained closed because of the floods, under direct order of the then FA Minister in the PTP 'government'?

Wasn't it that PTP FA Minister who, once made, personally, delivered the passports, abroad, to a convicted criminal on the run?

Wasn't that FA Minister summoned, several times, by the Ombudsman to appear in front of him about this matter? Did that FA Minister, ever, appear in front of the Ombusman?

Where are the charges against this former FA Minister then?

P.S.: Isn't that same FA Minister a member of the Shins' clan, the cousin of Mr Thaksin himself?

Edited December 22, 201510 yr by bangrak

All fugitives from the law should be issued diplomatic passports... And enshrine this as a human right worldwide!

He has another passport from another country !

From Montenegro, Nigeria and Nicaragua.

What, not from Zimbabwe, Cambodia, and Birma? Pfff, can't count on ones friends anymore, is it!

Ah well ....... what was it Sondhi Limongkul ( PAD leader ) said of Thaksin :

' Best prime minister Thailand has ever had "

Mind you ...... all things considered the bar is generally set pretty low.

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

When you are convicted in first instance, convicted in appeal, and convicted in front of the Supreme Court, while being mega-rich and having a tribe of the best lawyers at your service, I guess the possibility of being 'wrongfully' convicted is sheer non-existing...

What you think yourself, your family, dearest friends and blind followers might think being a different and personal matter. Where does that put you? As, although bringing it with a 'twist', you seem to doubt his guilt?

Also, IMO, it is aberrant for a convict(!) on the run(!) to be able to sue anyone or about anything! Present in person, or no way! What do you have against that?

As far as I know in no civilized country is a convicted person stripped of his rights of "due process". You guys advocating or trying to justify that are total hypocrites. And while Im at it you people advocating stripping the rights of Thaksin just because you have the opinion he is a bad man are equally incorrect. Its common knowledge everything that is happening to him AND his sister is just a complete farce. Nothing more and nothing less. All by people who have no clue as how to run a civilian government.

but they are still required to show up in court to present it, another load of garbage from a thaksin apologist. He has several outstanding actions against him aside from the one he has been charged with but then you simply ignore the truth as its easier, only someone that worships him could fail to see just how guilty him and his family/party are but then thats what we expect from his fan club, suggest you refer to my previous post, describes you lot to a tee, pathetic.

Thanks for enlightening me on what I think....

So are you of the fan club to strip him of human rights also?

not at all, I simply want him to be treated like any other wanted criminal and not some saviour/god that he and you lot thinks he is. I take people on how they act, who they are & how they treat others, this criminal is the lowest type of human you can get, it amazes me how anyone with half a brain can think he deserves special treatment or is above the law. He has several outstanding court actions waiting for his return(thats also why he wont return), if it was just the one he has already been charged with then it would be different but its all the others where he is likely to be put away for a long time that really show exactly what he is, a criminal. If you think he is some sort of hero you are very sadly mistaken, suggest you get your facts about him straightened out.