Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers

[TheCruncher]

Why still here so much? You got the result you wanted already

Same question to lucky11, discodan, theCruncher

Exactly my thoughts Bungle. I cannot for the life of me understand why Ale G , Lucy and Dan cannot accept the verdict of the court.

We are here to support you guys, because you clearly don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, and are not aware it is a train coming your way.

Now we know that is not true, so what's the real reason

See, you don't believe anything, obvious that you need someone to protect you from the dangers in the real world.

[2fishin2]

Im team nobody, I just check in here to see how many pages of gibberish you guys are up to. What purpose does any if this serve? Think about it for a moment, you guys are trying to dissect and prove your side of opinion of a double murder on a forum.....doesnt that really sound like nonsense? What good or for that matter would any of these conversations do in the world? What effect would it have on the outcome which has already happened. Its over. Done. No amount of discussion or wasting of time posting on a forum will ever change anything, wont change the differing opinions, wont bring the couple back to life, nothing. Think about it for a while quit trying to convince people of your own arguments and facts which, are based on fabricated news and facts from both sides of the fence.

[TheCruncher]

We are here to support you guys, because you clearly don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, and are not aware it is a train coming your way.

Now we know that is not true, so what's the real reason

See, you don't believe anything, obvious that you need someone to protect you from the dangers in the real world.

You mean like the mafia?

Well how about if we say we're happy without your guidance or protection is that enough to let you relax and put your feet up instead?

OK, let me make it more clear to you, and then I'm out of here.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages

So if we were not allowed to post here, then all posts would be one sided and there would be no discussion, and the existence of this thread would be meaningless and therefore closed

Got it now?

On second look, I think this thread as all the other Koh Tao threads has run it course anyway.

[T_Dog]

number 9 is at .30

1. Swing your arms 'lavishly' 2. Hold up your left hand like a rabbit 3. Let the right hand fly behind your back....

Interesting to see that the ground is not wet at all at 1.30am, yet it was supposed to be raining at 1am during the B2 dip. What gives?

Anyone know who that is to the left Hannah with head band at 16 seconds? It sure looks like Mon who was supposedly not even on the island.

Edited December 31, 2015 by T_Dog

[bunglebag]

Mon was photographed inside the crime scene a few hours after the bodies were discovered also on a Thai TV News reprt footage aswell as I remember.

So why the hell was he not a witness for the defence? A member of the public inside a crime scene? Why?

He has to tell why he was inside that police line!

bcase it was 50 m from hes back yard,he is the land owner and he was the one who quided the police there.

What u suggest he shud of grow pair of wings and fly away from the crime scene,so off course he was in picture. After police was escorted by him , police did close the area .how do i know this.bcase i was there.

75 % of stories written in paper about this case was un true and only written&published to sell papers.

Were you there when he located the bodies. He was second on scene wasn't he, after the beach cleaner?

Did you see the bodies?

Do you happen to be involved in a business on Sairee?

Why is he seen stepping back over the tape cordoning off the scene later? (which was not put up for a while as there are other pictures without it present). Did he come back in to stack the clothes neatly? (seen still scattered as he is stepping over the cordon, yet police said in court they were neatly piled as per later photograph)).

Did you see the clothes scattered or piled neatly on a rock?

Thanks for being open on the third question islandlife.

Anything on the other questions?

[bunglebag]

Now we know that is not true, so what's the real reason

See, you don't believe anything, obvious that you need someone to protect you from the dangers in the real world.

You mean like the mafia?

Well how about if we say we're happy without your guidance or protection is that enough to let you relax and put your feet up instead?

OK, let me make it more clear to you, and then I'm out of here.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages

So if we were not allowed to post here, then all posts would be one sided and there would be no discussion, and the existence of this thread would be meaningless and therefore closed

Got it now?

On second look, I think this thread as all the other Koh Tao threads has run it course anyway.

hey no-one is saying certain people should not be allowed to post here. I agree it is an open forum.

I was just curious as to why people who were satisfied with the verdict were still spending so much time defending it as if it were the other way around I don't think there would be many from the other 'camp' worried about doing the same.

I disagree about run its course as there are some interesting points being raised and discussed still, some new and some we've seen before, and it seems like there are still several valid topics for the 'conspiracy theorists' (92% was it?) to discuss.

Edited December 31, 2015 by bunglebag

[Tom Cahill]

International standard practises of the DNA collection?

The two accused were released after DNA samples did not match at first.

(Video at 5.53 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdGTqXCqWdM1412455o (2).jpg

Those pictures and the aledged DNA migrant test's were a sham for the worlds press.

These tests were carried out when the RTP was actively looking for a person of interest in Bangkok ( I believe he was a student) and another Thai man who had been questioned and HAD REFUSED a DNA test.

But if they were real let us see the results, because the RTP would have two sets of samples from the 2 accused......Do they? and do they both match?

I hope you're not saying that if the alleged questionee refused a test that means they are more suspect than if they didn't, but other than that I'm not sure if you're saying that there was a con conducted by the world press for some reason. I know that the world's press are constantly writing lies about things in other countries, but I'd be interested in a bit more specifics and why you think that they made up a story, and, what you think the point of this was.

I am incredibly suspicious of all aspects of this case, and it extends way deeper than fitting up a couple of people for a murder of some young people on a beach in a place notorious for going to extrodinary lengths to "cover up" any crime, and not leave bodies floating about, so I'm very certain that all that followed was no less of an accident and all part of some much bigger thing, which presumably involves undermining the Thai government---probably with the help of traitors within it, but mainly agents who're in the press.

My main question now is:

1. What's the story about how the bodies were found and by who?

2. Who leaked the pictures out?

3.a. Who told the policeman to say people shouldn't walk about in bikinis on the beach, and did he even say this, or, has he been massively misquoted?

b. Ditto comments about it not being a Thai?

Cover ups are not that hard to conduct. Even if it turns out that a bus load of western tourists found them, I'd still find the whole thing very hard to believe.

If it's a local who's found the bodies, they'll wander about gossiping and when they call the police, they'll come along and

destroy the scene and cart the bodies off, as is their official policy. They'll call round the local usual tourist murderers and rapists and tell them that they owe them a drink. I even think that that's too hard to believe. If those bodies were left there, they weren't left by Burmese and they weren't left there by local Thais. They were killed by someone totally different to create a massive issue. That's why the chain of events about "finding the bodies" is so important, as this whole thing is not a cover up, as it's impossibly bad to believe that this could have happened.

I wonder if it was Andy Deadwood and his pals from the Met who holidayed over here "to investigate" when they have no jurisdiction, like they "investigated Jill Dando" and found someone guilty with zero evidence, and "investigated Madeline McCann's death" with no jurisdiction? Their press release did seem to make this look very lilkely---and the Thais don't have any police as incompetent or corrupt as them.

[davidstipek]

If those DNA tests failed so miserably, then why refused the defense to request to have them redone?

BECAUSE there was and there still is no way to know if the DNA is reliable, the chain of custody is what makes a test reliable, and I don't know if you ve heard, but the documents regarding the chain of custody are incomplete and have been modified by hand.

Why test a DNA that is possibly not even the DNA found on the victim (if there actually was any DNA found..)?

Plus the original samples are "used up" and all that is left is something whose origin (blood, hair, semen) can't be determined, so it could very well come from of the B2's hair taken after they were arrested for example.

In most courts, this evidence would have been dismissed because of the lack of proper documentation.

As the DNA is the only element taken into account to declare the B2 guilty and send them to their death, the defense will completely focus on that for the appeal and hopefully highlight how unreliable these results are.

Plus as was said, the DNA proves intercourse anyway, they failed to prove the murder without reasonable doubt.

Do you really believe these two short boys could kill two persons like that David being far stronger than them ?

And the element of surprise isn't even there as the victims DNA were on the hoe (not their blood, it actually was said they handled the hoe, and the B2's DNA wasn't on the hoe, but there was a third DNA, why the hell isn't the third DNA investigated?).

The appeal will be interesting, I really dont think the story will go away quietly, it has generated too much interest and too many questions are unanswered.

Apparently now having sex with someone will get you the death penalty if she dies, found dead and your DNA (sperm) is found in her body... Who is to say that the following is not a correct version of what really happen the night David and Hannah were found dead on the beach, Remember this scenario has about the same credibility as the Police version...; here goes....

Hannah was approached earlier that evening by a Male in the Bar. He was flat turned down, "Now I do not want sex with you!" In front of his friends this was a major play in the loss of "Face", as he was Thai! David and Hannah continue to Party she forgets about the proposal. They later exit to the Beach, Both having consumed their (close to..) limit in drinks. Both went for a swim... Hannah now is feeling sexy she consents to sex with two young men who they met while swimming.

Meanwhile her movement on the beach are being monitored and the earlier Gentleman who was caused a great loss in face (embarrassment) watches as she has sex with two young Burmese Lads.... this further enrages him as his friends are joking!

After the trio go their separate ways, he decides to teach Hannah a lesson and firm up his friends by what he is about to do. Also leave a message on the Beach. He traps Hannah who now laughs him off... He proceeds to strike he with a hoe he had carried down to the beach... she ends up Dead! So he places her in a position demeaning to her and to post a message as to not "" with him to anyone who stumbles onto Hannah's body. While he is doing this David hearing a commotion exits the water to investigate. He is apprehended by two or more of the Murderer's friends, One proceeds to strike David in the Face... with his fist! Something he was wearing is leaving stab wounds about a inch deep in David's face this item is serrated on both sides and comes to a triangular point. Finally as David collapses he is left in the water hoping the Tide will drag him out.

Okay, we are told that the B2 were convicted on the fact of the DNA that was found mixed in her body... For this to mix she had to be an active participant in the act of Intercourse, after she was dead the body function would no longer respond. So Intercourse is a crime, They did not convict the B2 for the use of the Hoe, Why? because their DNA was not on it, in fact a year latter it was pulled from Police lockup and tested by Thailand's Senior Pathologist Scientist, What she found was not a single trace of the DNA of the B2, what she found was DNA from 2 totally different males. This is why the Police just said... "We never tested Hoe". Is there anyone who can say they did? but results were not playing along with them, the boys were already off the Island so no way to get their DNA affixed to the Hoe... lets just try to forget it, they forgot it was in a protected environment and would retain any information attached to it!

Again the murder weapons, were demonstrated to be the Hoe and the object that had pierced David's face, David dying from blunt force trauma, as little blood exited the blow to the top of his head. The multiple piercing wounds to the Facial area could have severed nerves and nicked arteries the major bruising would have drawn blood in large quantities to this area. The B2's DNA was not found anywhere on the Hoe.... Also they did not have in their possession anything to make they stab wounds in David's face. Was David Gay? was Sperm found (DNA) on/in him?

So to now go back and look at what the Courts sentenced (convicted) the B2 of Murder on was the presence od DNA from the B2 found in Hannah's body. there is nothing to fix any of the other damage to her body or David's to them. Infact it was tried to be suppressed, and not brought up in Court. Maybe the Court had disallowed if from being introduced at all...

Further more it has always taken 24 hrs plus to extract DNA, a lot harder when it is mixed! 3 people plus Hannah's. One of the reasons is because all human DNA is 99.9% the same. It is that .1% that gives us the ladders that form each individual, this is EXTEMELY difficult to extract! Yet the Thai Police Forensic Lab was able to do this in Record time??? By passing all the set procedure's and getting required Confirmations... they were able to do this complete procedure in Record Time! 12 Hours!!! Yet we were earlier informed that their Lab had issues, and the still came up with a 100% perfect match!!!

This is Impossible! Finding a probable match is just that! PROBABLE!!! It is impossible to get a Perfect Match! This is a confirmed result by the most extense Hospitals and Labs in the World!

Yet they were convicted... Because they had sex... If Hannah had went swimming and Pee'd would they still be sentenced to Death, Salt water would have cleaned her to hospital standards... Would they have still found that 3rd DNA mixed with Hanna's??

Yet they were convicted

You should apply for a job as movie or novel writer, especially the fictitious genre

As I stated at the beginning this was a... "What If..." In The World Medical Community about the same level as was presented to the Courts....

That's a Fact.... I was not the only one here to input some digressed Thoughts...

Think about it long and hard!

[IslandLover]

MrTee, on 31 Dec 2015 - 08:31, said:

So it appears that someone is still trying to intimidate CSI LA as we speak..

or so CSI LA just posted..

Someone is a little edgy perhaps ?

I would say so

[IslandLover]

iReason, on 31 Dec 2015 - 08:36, said:

Another nonsense alert:

(Phoenix Diver, is that you?)

Mon does not own the beach.

No one can.

All of Thailand's beaches, belong to the King.

Mon escorted the police?

I suppose that's one way of putting it.

I've seen Mon escorted by the police as well...

Another nonsense alert:

(Phoenix Diver, is that you?)

No, he runs the Maya Beach Club. Go figure ........

[Tom Cahill]

International standard practises of the DNA collection?

The two accused were released after DNA samples did not match at first.

(Video at 5.53 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdGTqXCqWdM1412455o (2).jpg

Those pictures and the aledged DNA migrant test's were a sham for the worlds press.

These tests were carried out when the RTP was actively looking for a person of interest in Bangkok ( I believe he was a student) and another Thai man who had been questioned and HAD REFUSED a DNA test.

But if they were real let us see the results, because the RTP would have two sets of samples from the 2 accused......Do they? and do they both match?

What's the story about who's meant to have found the bodies and at what time, and did they call who in the police and at what time? I'm not saying we'll know it's true, but I'd like to hear it anyway if anyone knows.

[IslandLover]

StealthEnergiser, on 31 Dec 2015 - 08:46, said:StealthEnergiser, on 31 Dec 2015 - 08:46, said:

DiscoDan, on 31 Dec 2015 - 08:39, said:DiscoDan, on 31 Dec 2015 - 08:39, said:

Breaking news Jonathan Head now backing verdict

https://mobile.twitter.com/pakhead/status/682102623546118144?p=v

Rubbish

Follow

Jonathan Head‏@pakhead

@riverview810 @daveoli it's also a very odd thing for Jarumporn to bring up. Why can't he explain where the crucial docs for DNA match are?

@DiscoDan - stop spreading misinformation. Jonathan Head prefaced that sentence with IF. The full tweet is here to be read from bottom up:

Edited December 31, 2015 by IslandLover

[Islandlife]

In my bed.

I believe so . He dont sleep either far away from king Rama rock at hes resort.

No i didnt. It was sealed from both end on beach road. See it distance as its open beach towards sout Sairee.

Yes,ive been involved on several busines .

I dont have a clue,its not something what happens koh tao every day. I dont think no one knew what to do, when all horridnes was discovered at early morning.

I have no clue about the clothes but at that place where river joins from mountain to sea have big difrence in high and low tide.

I didnt see no clothes,doupt no one else did either after their permiter was set

Edited December 31, 2015 by Islandlife

[iReason]

Nomsod with his cousin who owns Maya Bar.

And, according to islandlover, also owns Phoenix Divers.

Who also is a member of the Koh Tao Rescue Team.

And a layout of the "family" businesses.

Where in fact, several reported dubious deaths have occurred not too long ago in close proximity.

(Links easily provided on request)

[iReason]

@islandlife

Watched it in real time.

Unlike many here.

Not hard to connect the dots.

If one is so inclined.

Edited December 31, 2015 by iReason

[TheLobster]

I have only recently found this photos, and now I can say with certainty that Wei Phyo is the "Running Man"

I don't think so, this is the reason these CCTV images were presented so that this could be brought up:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/785185-myanmar-says-workers-innocent-of-murdering-britons-on-koh-tao/page-20

Two people with different colored shorts appeared. The left arm is a big clue, not just the hair and I have seen links alleging the photo you have shown has been manipulated.

Sawadai be mai

[Islandlife]

Nomsod with his cousin who owns Maya Bar.

And, according to islandlover, also owns Phoenix Divers.

Who also is a member of the Koh Tao Rescue Team.

And a layout of the "family" businesses.

Where in fact, several reported dubious deaths have occurred not too long ago in close proximity.

(Links easily provided on request)

i see you got your facts at table.[emoji23]did u use google?

never deadly fatal incidents on koh tao , perhaps , islandlife ??? nor even suicides ???? never one disapearing , missing ???? is it what you seem to imply ?

dont put words to my mouth. Simply stated that something like those murders wont happen often. In decade i dont remember nothing similar.

Is there eny of those things happened where you live?

[iReason]

"The parents of a British holiday maker who died in suspicious circumstances in Thailand are convinced he was murdered – and the killing covered up to protect tourism.”

“Despite being warned to keep quiet by people on the island, the family have refused to be silenced.”

“She added: “The Police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.”

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

“Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.”

“They also heard other holiday makers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

[TheLobster]

Also let's consider the death sentence, yes a death sentence!

This required evidence that the B2 committed murder ... so what did they do that with? the Hoe?

One person could have been killed with the Hoe but the second person?

There is too much speculation and links to 'media' articles on this forum.

There is also an agenda from the minority that are persistent in multiple posting and post more than you would expect .....

[iReason]

Apparently, islandlife hasn't been paying attention.

For a decade.

[Islandlife]

Apparently, islandlife hasn't been paying attention.

For a decade.

so what does this drowning accident got to do with eny of this?

[TheCruncher]

@ Ireason Do you have any information that he was murdered on Koh Tao?

Edited December 31, 2015 by TheCruncher

[silverado]

"The parents of a British holiday maker who died in suspicious circumstances in Thailand are convinced he was murdered – and the killing covered up to protect tourism.”

“Despite being warned to keep quiet by people on the island, the family have refused to be silenced.”

“She added: “The Police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.”

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

“Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.”

“They also heard other holiday makers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

another link = a suicide while having hands tied behind the back.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/warnings/mafia-island-from-paradise-to-bloodshed/news-story/f182352ffcef3eea28363ba1ef7c4525

Edited December 31, 2015 by silverado

[Islandlife]

Apparently, islandlife hasn't been paying attention.

For a decade.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/missing-swiss-tourist-body-washed-ashore-chumphon-beach

[bunglebag]

"The parents of a British holiday maker who died in suspicious circumstances in Thailand are convinced he was murdered – and the killing covered up to protect tourism.”

“Despite being warned to keep quiet by people on the island, the family have refused to be silenced.”

“She added: “The Police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.”

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

“Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.”

“They also heard other holiday makers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

Yes this one got a couple of pages in The Sun also earlier this year.

"the same beach, the same police"

Edited December 31, 2015 by bunglebag

[silverado]

Apparently, islandlife hasn't been paying attention.

For a decade.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/missing-swiss-tourist-body-washed-ashore-chumphon-beach

also the dutch man, last year ... one wants the pics ??? sorry i just come back from a suspention , then.. no pics. and sorry for the off topic

Edited December 31, 2015 by silverado

[Islandlife]

"The parents of a British holiday maker who died in suspicious circumstances in Thailand are convinced he was murdered – and the killing covered up to protect tourism.”

“Despite being warned to keep quiet by people on the island, the family have refused to be silenced.”

“She added: “The Police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.”

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

“Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.”

“They also heard other holiday makers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

another link = a suicide while having hands tied behind the back.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/warnings/mafia-island-from-paradise-to-bloodshed/news-story/f182352ffcef3eea28363ba1ef7c4525

yeah , and in that victims girl friend found a suicide note and told coppers that no foul play suspected . Everyone can google and spread rumours&hear say.[emoji106]

[iReason]

@islandlife

Shabbily done.

Conveniently skipped my first response to your ridiculous claim:

"Simply stated that something like those murders wont happen often. In decade i dont remember nothing similar."

[bunglebag]

@ Ireason Do you have any information that he was murdered on Koh Tao?

Back already!?

[iReason]

@islandlife

"That victims girl friend found a suicide note and told coppers that no foul play suspected"

Well, jeez, that settles that...