Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers

[NCFC]

For information purposes:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Let-the-Koh-Tao-evidence-speak-for-itself-30275935.html

December 31, 2015 1:00 am

The most effective way for the Royal Thai Police to convince the world that its investigation of the Koh Tao rape-murders meets international standards is to show us the evidence. It is not enough to merely say, "Trust us."

For example, show us the original certificate of accreditation from the "non-profit professional association actively involved in forensic science and nationally recognised", as demanded by the American Bar Association (https://www.americanbar.org/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_dnaevidence.html).

And show us the peer-review report, since "laboratories submitting data to the National DNA Index System must adhere to the FBI Quality Assurance Standards [which] stipulate that all DNA casework be reviewed by a separate analyst." (http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/SimplifiedGuideDNA.pdf)

The police must act in accordance with their own advice to suspects: "If you're innocent, don't act as if you were guilty. Be transparent about it."

Thai police do not have to convince the world of anything. The Thai prosecutors have to convince the Thai judges,and that is what they have done.

It's a little neo-colonial to suggest the Thai justice system has to convince a bunch of farangs on a web-board, who have nothing better to fill their days than come up with the most absurd speculations without any evidence to back up their fantastical claims.

Wait for the UK coroner's report. You may learn some real facts.

[T_Dog]

Got a message that I got the name wrong on my earlier post so will post my question again. Why hasn't this video, which shows someone that looks like NOMSOD next to Hannah at 16 seconds gotten more attention?

Quite likely it was him so . . .

-This video shows he was on the island.

-The police originally said they were looking for him after he beat feet.

-He was involved big time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2B0_L-qUKQ

Edited December 31, 2015 by T_Dog

[smedly]

It's probably a safe bet, Banana Pancake man won't be welcomed back to Myanmar.

I honestly believe he is the weakest link, if I was a ruthless mafia boss and this guy was part of my team and in a position that could do damage........ he went on holiday and will be back soooooooon, in the mean time get your banana wraps from tesco, vely cheap

[smedly]

Oh goody, they are in close correspondence with each other.

Andy Hall added 10 new photos with อำพร สังข์ทอง and 11 others.

17 December at 09:41 · Twitter ·

Now only 7 days until Koh Tao murder case verdict at 9am 24th December at Koh Samui court. Today I was briefing BBC's Asia correspondent Jonathan Head on the defense team final position in advance of

the much awaited 21 day trial verdict. The Defense Team will issue a public media statement on Koh Tao murder case Mon 21st Dec outlining again why the case against the two Myanmar migrant defendants Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo should in the opinion of the defense team be dismissed,

as summarized in our late October 2015 closing statement based on court based evidence and witness testimony. The case should be dismissed in opinion of defense team because the prosecution failed to prove in court beyond reasonable doubt any guilt on behalf of the two accused

In light of J Head admitting that he has been barking up the wrong tree - now it's Andy's turn to eat humble pie and admit he was wrong!!

Whoever decided to bring you into the team wasted the sponsor's money mate.

To whom am I really responding to?

I can if you wish make a topic on TVF called ........lucky11, then you will have absolutely no doubt, you can talk 24/7 never feeling left out, you will always get a response

[smedly]

I have only recently found this photos, and now I can say with certainty that Wei Phyo is the "Running Man"

were they in your holiday snaps lol

taken where and when

it's all about the height unless running man was able to run in 8" high heels, nothing would surprise me

[smedly]

Your whole post is based on hyperbole..

"They had a UK judge review their case and the evidence of the UK coroner, after pressure to release any information that might help them."

That is simply not true..

The UK Judge may have reviewed the request for the handing over of the police report, and maybe even the Coroner's report.

It is not in the jurisdiction of any UK judge..

The UK police report is bound by an agreement with Thai Police.

The UK cannot get involved in any case where there is possibility of an execution.

The High Court Judge Nicholas Green said there are misgivings.

"the misgivings were such that Prime Minister David Cameron had discussed the case with his Thai counterpart Prayuth Chan-ocha."

The judge was quite clear.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/hq_15X0311_final.pdf

The UK cannot play any role in either the defence or the prosecution, clearly NOT reviewed by a UK judge..

He only reviewed their request for the police report, which the police objected to.

is hyperbole the same as a pack of lies - if so then I agree

[jucel]

Got a message that I got the name wrong on my earlier post so will post my question again. Why hasn't this video, which shows someone that looks like NOMSOD next to Hannah at 16 seconds gotten more attention?

Quite likely it was him so . . .

-This video shows he was on the island.

-The police originally said they were looking for him after he beat feet.

-He was involved big time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2B0_L-qUKQ

You are looking at the wrong part. Around 40 secs, the Thai guy shaking hands with David with a number 9 on his back walks just like Nomsod.

[jucel]

Got a message that I got the name wrong on my earlier post so will post my question again. Why hasn't this video, which shows someone that looks like NOMSOD next to Hannah at 16 seconds gotten more attention?

Quite likely it was him so . . .

-This video shows he was on the island.

-The police originally said they were looking for him after he beat feet.

-He was involved big time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2B0_L-qUKQ

Can anybody clean this up & read the back of the shirt, enhance the faces.??

[RWA]

number 9 is at .30

1. Swing your arms 'lavishly' 2. Hold up your left hand like a rabbit 3. Let the right hand fly behind your back....

Interesting to see that the ground is not wet at all at 1.30am, yet it was supposed to be raining at 1am during the B2 dip. What gives?

Anyone know who that is to the left Hannah with head band at 16 seconds? It sure looks like Mon who was supposedly not even on the island.

no, it isn't an Asian dude (that one with the headband)

[StealthEnergiser]

number 9 is at .30

1. Swing your arms 'lavishly' 2. Hold up your left hand like a rabbit 3. Let the right hand fly behind your back....

Interesting to see that the ground is not wet at all at 1.30am, yet it was supposed to be raining at 1am during the B2 dip. What gives?

Anyone know who that is to the left Hannah with head band at 16 seconds? It sure looks like Mon who was supposedly not even on the island.

Could possibly be Tom Wood

[StealthEnergiser]

You mean like the mafia?

Well how about if we say we're happy without your guidance or protection is that enough to let you relax and put your feet up instead?

reply from cruncher

OK, let me make it more clear to you, and then I'm out of here.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages

So if we were not allowed to post here, then all posts would be one sided and there would be no discussion, and the existence of this thread would be meaningless and therefore closed

Got it now?

On second look, I think this thread as all the other Koh Tao threads has run it course anyway.

@cruncher

So you went very quite after being told of what Anonymous are capable of and have done in the past now you want the thread shut down .

Why would that be your not going to run off are you cruncher ?

Edited January 1, 2016 by StealthEnergiser

[boomerangutang]

At the facial public display reenactment, we see dozens of policemen and their hangers-on taking photos / videos. Yet at the inquisitions interrogations, how many photos or videos have we seen? ZERO. If there was any documentation of the following;

>>> 3-hour questioning of Mon

>>> questioning of Headman and his wife

>>> scapegoats, including MM at the stupidly-named 'safe house.'

>>> questioning of Nomsod (of course his lawyer has to be his mouthpiece. The kid can't say anything publicly, not even whether he's sorry 2 backpackers were brutally murdered on his daddy's turf)

....we general public dummies, haven't heard or seen any of it.

I also saw a .pdf from Wattana Capital (one of Thailand's largest corporations) which shows a certain man bought 3.5 billion shares, a month after the crime. The shares were cheap individually, but added up to a hefty Bt.270 million baht - a rather large expenditure on a policeman's salary, wouldn't you agree?

[StealthEnergiser]

1. Jonathan Head ‏@pakhead 29 Dec 2015

   the DNA match is sound, so is the verdict. It's that simple. That's why it was so bizarre that defence lawyers did not challenge DNA methods

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@pakhead Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with this tweet. You really believe the defense didn't challenge the DNA match/related issues?

6:10 PM - 31 Dec 2015

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@pakhead just suggestion but if you want to constructively/accurately critique the defense, read ALL major prosecution/defence DNA testimony

6:11 PM - 31 Dec 2015

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@pakhead trying to find enough translators to translate testimony of Pornthip/her DNA expert/prosecution DNA experts for non Thais to read

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@pakhead the defence lawyers strategy was perhaps a little more complex than this, but welcome the critique to feed into the appeal...

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@pakhead @IanYarwood_Law the defence did during cross examination and with its own witnesses did challenge DNA match.Qu is how effectively?

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[jucel]

At the facial public display reenactment, we see dozens of policemen and their hangers-on taking photos / videos. Yet at the inquisitions interrogations, how many photos or videos have we seen? ZERO. If there was any documentation of the following;

>>> 3-hour questioning of Mon

>>> questioning of Headman and his wife

>>> scapegoats, including MM at the stupidly-named 'safe house.'

>>> questioning of Nomsod (of course his lawyer has to be his mouthpiece. The kid can't say anything publicly, not even whether he's sorry 2 backpackers were brutally murdered on his daddy's turf)

....we general public dummies, haven't heard or seen any of it.

I also saw a .pdf from Wattana Capital (one of Thailand's largest corporations) which shows a certain man bought 3.5 billion shares, a month after the crime. The shares were cheap individually, but added up to a hefty Bt.270 million baht - a rather large expenditure on a policeman's salary, wouldn't you agree?

Another Thai national who has been saving 100% of their salary for 50,000 years

[boomerangutang]

At the trial, it was shown that a Thai lawyer was present at 'safe house' where the boys were forced to sign documents they couldn't read. Yet, the lawyer didn't identify himself and didn't say or do anything to assist the scapegoats. Granted, he was working with/for authorities at the time, but isn't there some sort of professional ethic where a lawyer must step forward to be a lawyer? It's like a lifeguard who's at his friend's swimming party, and two people are drowning. The lifeguard doesn't do or say anything to assist because he's not officially on duty. Amazing Thailand, Land of Mai Pen Rai.

[StealthEnergiser]

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   Ian Yarwood ‏@IanYarwood_Law 29 Dec 2015

   
   

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   KOH TAO MURDERS: Defence gamble that failed, calling only Pornthip but not Jane Taupin - my theory in comment below

   
   

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   Defence lawyers justified failure to put Jane Taupin on stand by their real fear that she might, if x-examined by prosecution, criticise

   
   

   
   

   
   

   
   

   
   

   
   

   
   

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   Jonathan Head ‏@pakhead 29 Dec 2015

   
   

   @IanYarwood_Law reliance on Pornthip at expense of losing Taupin shows muddled tactics of def team. What did P bring to the case? Not much.

   
   

   
   

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@pakhead @IanYarwood_Law Jonathan, I assume these remarks come after having read Pornthip and her DNA expert's full testimony at court?

6:20 PM - 31 Dec 2015

[StealthEnergiser]

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@daveoli I will quote you a top DNA expert "It is totally incorrect that one can determine race or ethnicity from a forensic DNA profile"

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@Atomicalandy @pakhead Respect is vital. Respect for opinion of international expert. Respect by providing docs when requested. Respect 4her

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Gen Jarumporn is a forensic expert. But getting race from DNA v new & controversial in US - does TL have this tech?

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[StealthEnergiser]

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   Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 30 Dec 2015

   
   

   Myanmar envoy enlists Thai lawyers in Koh Tao Appeal | Bangkok Post: news http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asean/811692/myanmar-envoy-enlists-thai-lawyers …

   
   

   
   

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   JQ Public ‏@JQP6 30 Dec 2015Amphoe Nakhon Chai Si, Nakhon Pathom

   
   

   @Atomicalandy Dose this mean that LCT legal team that will handle appeal will be a different set of lawyers than acted as trial counsel?

   
   

   
   

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   Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 30 Dec 2015

   
   

   @JQP6 same team as before. Lawyers already at work analyzing the verdict and translating for our foreign experts/advisors too:

   
   

   
   

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   JQ Public ‏@JQP6 31 Dec 2015Amphoe Bang Lamung, Chon Buri

   
   

   @Atomicalandy Any concerns that having same trial team prosecute appeal could prejudice defs' right to challenge effectiveness of counsel ?

   
   

   
   

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@JQP6 no one 'prosecutes' an appeal, in this case defense draft it and prosecution comments. Your question?

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[boomerangutang]

Wow I thought reaching 100 pages would be a milestone....I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu.

Yea, it's done for the scapegoats. Some people (yourself?) want it that way. If Thai officials and the Headman's people get their way, the scapegoats will be literally kaput as soon as possible. Kaput = dead. The dead can't talk. That's how officials want it. Plus, now that the boys are officially found guilty, there can't be any other culprits. No more trials on this case. No matter that the real culprits are probably roaming around, laughing, checking out the new pretty young naive farang chicks who come giggling over on boats every day. The big questions for the local guys are;

.... prettiest, cutest?

.... drink lots of alcohol?

.... loosest?

.... easiest to seduce?

.... who's going to buy them gifts?

......alright Mon, Nomsod and all your tough guy sexy boy buddies .....the parties go on every night - late, lots of booze flowing! Other drugs too, including date-rape drugs. Alright - Party On!!!! The cops can't touch you, ha ha ha ha!

[AleG]

I have only recently found this photos, and now I can say with certainty that Wei Phyo is the "Running Man"

were they in your holiday snaps lol

taken where and when

it's all about the height unless running man was able to run in 8" high heels, nothing would surprise me

Again, you ignore the plainly visible in favour of wishful thinking, you just assume the height to be different and go with that.

Wei Phyo looks very much like the man in question plus he admitted of being in the area around that time and wearing only shorts.

Meanwhile the "justice" seekers insist that it was another man, that doesn't look like the person on the CCTV and was proven to be hundreds of kilometers away.

[AleG]

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@daveoli I will quote you a top DNA expert "It is totally incorrect that one can determine race or ethnicity from a forensic DNA profile"

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@Atomicalandy @pakhead Respect is vital. Respect for opinion of international expert. Respect by providing docs when requested. Respect 4her

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Jonathan Head‏@pakhead

Gen Jarumporn is a forensic expert. But getting race from DNA v new & controversial in US - does TL have this tech?

Well now you gone and dun goofed, showing how the DNA was independently tested by three laboratories...

And while we are dismissing myths, how about the one that the DNA analysis should be discarded because the police forensics lab is not ISO 17025 compliant?

Accredited laboratories complying with ISO/IEC 17025 , 1233/56

Toxicology Sub-division and Biochemisty Sub-division Institute of Forensic Medicine,

Police General Hospital, The Royal Thai Police Head Quarter.

(1233/56), status : accredited

Edited January 1, 2016 by AleG

[JLCrab]

Wow I thought reaching 100 pages would be a milestone....I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu.

Yea, it's done for the scapegoats. Some people (yourself?) want it that way. If Thai officials and the Headman's people get their way, the scapegoats will be literally kaput as soon as possible. Kaput = dead. The dead can't talk. That's how officials want it. Plus, now that the boys are officially found guilty, there can't be any other culprits. No more trials on this case. No matter that the real culprits are probably roaming around, laughing, checking out the new pretty young naive farang chicks who come giggling over on boats every day. The big questions for the local guys are;

.... prettiest, cutest?

.... drink lots of alcohol?

.... loosest?

.... easiest to seduce?

.... who's going to buy them gifts?

......alright Mon, Nomsod and all your tough guy sexy boy buddies .....the parties go on every night - late, lots of booze flowing! Other drugs too, including date-rape drugs. Alright - Party On!!!! The cops can't touch you, ha ha ha ha!

Seems to me, if the B2 were sitting on any evidence that could put away the 'real killers', they'd be dead already lest there be some deal cut to turn state's evidence and be whisked away in the dead-of-night to some location out of reach of the Headman's people.

[MorristheRunt]

Wow I thought reaching 100 pages would be a milestone....I think just today alone there has been 30 or more pages of worthless speculation and opinions added. You guys really need to get a life. Its done, over, finished, kaput, owari desu.

Yea, it's done for the scapegoats. Some people (yourself?) want it that way. If Thai officials and the Headman's people get their way, the scapegoats will be literally kaput as soon as possible. Kaput = dead. The dead can't talk. That's how officials want it. Plus, now that the boys are officially found guilty, there can't be any other culprits. No more trials on this case. No matter that the real culprits are probably roaming around, laughing, checking out the new pretty young naive farang chicks who come giggling over on boats every day. The big questions for the local guys are;

.... prettiest, cutest?

.... drink lots of alcohol?

.... loosest?

.... easiest to seduce?

.... who's going to buy them gifts?

......alright Mon, Nomsod and all your tough guy sexy boy buddies .....the parties go on every night - late, lots of booze flowing! Other drugs too, including date-rape drugs. Alright - Party On!!!! The cops can't touch you, ha ha ha ha!

Seems to me, if the B2 were sitting on any evidence that could put away the 'real killers', they'd be dead already lest there be some deal cut to turn state's evidence and be whisked away in the dead-of-night to some location out of reach of the Headman's people.

There may be others living in shallow graves who helped clean up the aftermath, just like the two Burmese they are worthless and expendable to their Thai masters.

Edited January 1, 2016 by MorristheRunt

[asiamaster]

Nomsod's height is 160 cm.

Wai is under 150 CM

What about the length of the hair?

I don't think it's over 10cm high

Find me a picture of Nomsod with hair over his ears and that long in the back and I will take your comments seriously.

On the one hand you guys are saying the RTP are incompetent on the other you firmly believe that their statement that they were looking for an Asian man who had to be "between 1.60-1.70" is dead accurate. Much has been said about the gait and the movement of the "running man's" left arm. You would not move any different if you would be holding a phone in your left hand.

Edited January 1, 2016 by asiamaster

[MorristheRunt]

"a lock of golden hair was found in the victim’s hand"

Another incredible missed opportunity from the defence.

Where is this lock of hair?

Maybe the Burmese are guilty.....BUT if a lock of hair was found in the victims hand, this would surly mean there was at least another offender, or at the very least witness.

[HUH]

Well now you gone and dun goofed, showing how the DNA was independently tested by three laboratories...

And while we are dismissing myths, how about the one that the DNA analysis should be discarded because the police forensics lab is not ISO 17025 compliant?

Accredited laboratories complying with ISO/IEC 17025 , 1233/56

Toxicology Sub-division and Biochemisty Sub-division Institute of Forensic Medicine,

Police General Hospital, The Royal Thai Police Head Quarter.

(1233/56), status : accredited

Was it also accredited before the 29th Jan 2015?

[AleG]

Well now you gone and dun goofed, showing how the DNA was independently tested by three laboratories...

And while we are dismissing myths, how about the one that the DNA analysis should be discarded because the police forensics lab is not ISO 17025 compliant?

Accredited laboratories complying with ISO/IEC 17025 , 1233/56

Toxicology Sub-division and Biochemisty Sub-division Institute of Forensic Medicine,

Police General Hospital, The Royal Thai Police Head Quarter.

(1233/56), status : accredited

Was it also accredited before the 29th Jan 2015?

It was accredited during the time of the investigation, as anyone can see for themselves

Edited January 1, 2016 by AleG

[rockingrobin]

Nomsod's height is 160 cm.

Wai is under 150 CM

What about the length of the hair?

I don't think it's over 10cm high

Find me a picture of Nomsod with hair over his ears and that long in the back and I will take your comments seriously.

On the one hand you guys are saying the RTP are incompetent on the other you firmly believe that their statement that they were looking for an Asian man who had to be "between 1.60-1.70" is dead accurate. Much has been said about the gait and the movement of the "running man's" left arm. You would not move any different if you would be holding a phone in your left hand.

The height should be reasonably accurate, reason being that there is a number of known referance to points to work from

[asiamaster]

I have only recently found this photos, and now I can say with certainty that Wei Phyo is the "Running Man"

were they in your holiday snaps lol

taken where and when

it's all about the height unless running man was able to run in 8" high heels, nothing would surprise me

All pictures taken of Wei Phyo when he was just arrested show him with long hair in the back and hair covering his ears. This one was even published by your hero CSI LA (who by the way was wrong on several previous investigations he undertook.)

Yes indeed it was stated by RTP they were looking for some one between 1.60 -1.70 but how accurate is that? And 8" is 20 cm and not 10cm .

Edited January 1, 2016 by asiamaster

[ttthailand]

The only reason I can think that they wanted to Kill Sean was because he was there and saw what happened. He couldn't keep his mouth shut so they had to get rid of him. Instead of killing him they put him on a plane out of the country and said they would kill him and who knows who else if he talked.

My guess .....