Reconciliation 'relies on Thai govt'

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Reconciliation 'relies on govt'
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- THE charter drafters’ reconciliation sub-panel has come up with a framework that will be proposed during a review of the draft early next year.

An unconfirmed report from a source in Parliament said the panel, chaired by Constitution Drafting Commission (CDC) member and ex-National Intelligence Agency director Pumarat Thaksadipong, proposed reconciliation in three phrases.

The first involves creating the right atmosphere for reconciliation, which the source said could be achieved if the government took swift action to defuse the "blame game" and prevent dissemination of false and misleading information, as well as other provocations.

The second phase would be to form a reconciliation committee to facilitate cooperation and dialogue among the various factions. And the last phase was about rehabilitation and amnesty, excluding cases of serious crimes and lese majeste, with the precondition of a fair justice process.

The panel said the justice process could be a starting point to pave the way for reconciliation, but the process must be fair and impartial so that people accept it. Cases had to be conducted speedily so the root causes of conflict could be proven and disseminated to society, the source said. Greater understanding about the process was necessary to promote public acceptance.

The panel also noted that corruption was a fundamental problem that needed to be seriously addressed.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Reconciliation-relies-on-govt-30275846.html


-- The Nation 2015-12-29

[aussiesteve63]

The panel also noted that corruption was a fundamental problem that needed to be seriously addressed.

This will never happen as is needs to be done from the top down and the ones at the top have there noses well entrenched in the trough, easier to go after the Middle and Lower classes and grab some headlines and hope the masses don't look up.

Edited December 29, 2015 by aussiesteve63

[chainarong]

The only missing link here is the supporters , you cannot have reconciliation without the main players involved , so far this Junta has done nothing to help the situation and indeed has done more to cause resentment in the Thai community , it is no use sitting down with the limited few Hi So in BKK and think this will change the minds of Thirty million, all that has happened is the supporters are sitting back waiting patiently and depending on their enthusiasm the tail will be in the telling at the next Democratic held Elections, for just as the Last Coup in 06 the Junta has achieve SFA., that is why the 06 Junta couldn't off load the responsibilities and international backlash to an interim government, one can't think past the term slow learners for this present Government...................................................... .

[Searat7]

The reconciliation process cannot even begin as long as groups larger than 5 people are still not allowed to have meetings. It's high time to lift this ban for the new year. Yes corruption needs to be addressed too but I think the ridiculous defamation laws need to be changed first. People are reluctant to report corruption when they fear they will end up being sued for defamation.

[MZurf]

"The first involves creating the right atmosphere for reconciliation, which the source said could be achieved if the government took swift action to defuse the "blame game" and prevent dissemination of false and misleading information, as well as other provocations."

Translated; In this phase we will crush all opposition

"The second phase would be to form a reconciliation committee to facilitate cooperation and dialogue among the various factions."

Translated; In this phase we will pretend to listen.

"And the last phase was about rehabilitation and amnesty, excluding cases of serious crimes and lese majeste, with the precondition of a fair justice process."

Translated; In this phase we will make sure our opponents will all receive lengthy jail sentences while our supporters will walk free.

[tuanku]

the government took swift action to defuse the "blame game" and prevent dissemination of false and misleading information, as well as other provocations.

Well that would be a neat new trick to teach a bunch of old dogs!

[oneday]

More than a year and a half into this coup and there is not only no "reconciliation", IMO there is actually a reversal and worsening of relations between the two major opposing political parties in this country and getting worse each day.

[elgordo38]

The reconciliation process cannot even begin as long as groups larger than 5 people are still not allowed to have meetings. It's high time to lift this ban for the new year. Yes corruption needs to be addressed too but I think the ridiculous defamation laws need to be changed first. People are reluctant to report corruption when they fear they will end up being sued for defamation.

I think your onto something here. Defamation suits are the big cloud over solving corruption if indeed certain parties really want to solve it. In this case the solution is countered by a big hammer. The hammer here is a very effective tool that the poor seldom get to swing. Edited December 29, 2015 by elgordo38

[EnglishJohn]

Red-shirts don't want reconciliation. After watching events for the last 10 years, I am now 100% certain of that. Whatever the government does, they won't accept it.

Democracy to them means 'winner takes all'. And that is all they are interested in : another 'Pheu-Thai' in power and all the countries wealth being collected and funneled their way.

The 'compensation' scheme for 2010 and the rice scheme are both excellent examples of what they want.

Yinglucks 'reconciliation forum' gave the game away completely. While the mouth is busy lying, the hands are busy with the real business.

It isn't going to happen. There is no 'middle ground' to work with. The only way forward for Thailand is for political reform and a proper democratic government who are forced to put the national interest first. If they put in proper policies to help lift poor people out of poverty then red-shirts might come around - but it will take years even if it ever starts. But the most likely outcome is a lot more of exactly the same.

[DrTuner]

In that case they are doomed.

[DrTuner]

Democracy to them means 'winner takes all'.

It's a get out of jail card for the term. Applies to most representative democracies, only Switzerland AFAIK has proceeded towards true, real-time democracy.

Edited December 29, 2015 by DrTuner

[toybits]

They doing passably well at the first 'phrase' then went into a free fall with the second and third 'phrases'.

[scorecard]

Red-shirts don't want reconciliation. After watching events for the last 10 years, I am now 100% certain of that. Whatever the government does, they won't accept it.

Democracy to them means 'winner takes all'. And that is all they are interested in : another 'Pheu-Thai' in power and all the countries wealth being collected and funneled their way.

The 'compensation' scheme for 2010 and the rice scheme are both excellent examples of what they want.

Yinglucks 'reconciliation forum' gave the game away completely. While the mouth is busy lying, the hands are busy with the real business.

It isn't going to happen. There is no 'middle ground' to work with. The only way forward for Thailand is for political reform and a proper democratic government who are forced to put the national interest first. If they put in proper policies to help lift poor people out of poverty then red-shirts might come around - but it will take years even if it ever starts. But the most likely outcome is a lot more of exactly the same.

Plus all Thais totally respecting the law, the law applied promptly fairly and equally to all, including past transgressions by all.

But before that can work the RTP must be totally overhauled in all respects and that probably means dismiss at lest 50% of them, plus pass laws that keep police away from politicians and laws that quickly jail politicians for long periods who attempt to interfere with the police or justice in any way, plus ban from politics or employment in any form of government for life.

Edited December 29, 2015 by scorecard

[LannaGuy]

Red-shirts don't want reconciliation. After watching events for the last 10 years, I am now 100% certain of that. Whatever the government does, they won't accept it.

Democracy to them means 'winner takes all'. And that is all they are interested in : another 'Pheu-Thai' in power and all the countries wealth being collected and funneled their way.

The 'compensation' scheme for 2010 and the rice scheme are both excellent examples of what they want.

Yinglucks 'reconciliation forum' gave the game away completely. While the mouth is busy lying, the hands are busy with the real business.

It isn't going to happen. There is no 'middle ground' to work with. The only way forward for Thailand is for political reform and a proper democratic government who are forced to put the national interest first. If they put in proper policies to help lift poor people out of poverty then red-shirts might come around - but it will take years even if it ever starts. But the most likely outcome is a lot more of exactly the same.

there you go again 'red shirts' and what about 'yellow shirts'? you are so blinkered you would positively make even Goebbels embarrassed by your right wing spin

[cornishcarlos]

1 and a half years on from the coup and they are still forming committees <deleted>...

Nothing of any substance has been achieved incl education reform, health care, anti corruption, road safety, illegal fishing etc etc etc

I have a feeling that nothing will change, just talk talk talk !!

[bangrak]

A question to 'the charter drafters' reconciliation sub-panel':

Did you succeed all together in agreeing on one(!) definition for the word: 'reconciliation'? When so, could you please inform the general public about it?

(I'm not sure this was even in the scope of the 'reconciliation' sub-panel, though it would IMHO have been a constructive way to start with, as it seems to me there are quite some different interpretations, even conflicting ones, for the word 'reconciliation' in Thailand, but hey, I'm just a tolerated Farang here, so...)

[sawadee1947]

...creating the right atmosphere

by force...?????