Ignorant & nasty Foreigner in our Condo..

[les1]

I am a non smoker.. Not a militant one but I do object if someones smoking in somewhere I am eating etc.. I would agree with 'common areas' being indoors etc..

But poolside ?? Outdoors ??

Surely thats not so disturbing...

In many Hotels etc there are non smoking signs around the pool. Most Songtaews have non smoking signs how different is that & if someone was smoking on a Songtaew should he be permitted? Smoking as we all know is even worse by second hand smoke within 30 meters. Why should non smokers be subjected to this indoors or outdoors. However the point is that he becomes violent is that acceptable?

Can you point me to where you found the paper that says with-in 30 meters???

Certainly not in Thailand however it is a fact, if you are a smoker you wouldn't really want to know & would it make a difference?

[les1]

If I relocate to Chiang Mai I will make sure to avoid this condo , it consists of nasty and ignorant foreigners , both smokers and non smokers.

Good luck with that. I actually think Riverside is one of the more civilized condos. I've lived in it for 6 years with only minor irritants. Before I moved into it, I checked out a couple of other condos in CM in the same price range for rent, and they were very ordinary.

Or perhaps you'd like to try a Thai condo? Go on, spoil yourself.

Riverside is in a poor location and has had in fighting for years and years whilst it is certainly not the worst it is far from the best but I understand why someone who lived there would want to defend it but this thread is NOT about Riverside is it?

I hate smoking but each condo should have it's own rules and residents should adhere to them. Smoking by the pool is an internal issue and could be enforced in several ways (fines etc.). It's up to the OWNERS not tenants and the JP should enforce the rules.

This is the next move he has been warned twice...

[les1]

Hi Les1, you wrote "Around 3 weeks ago I requested him to stop smoking & it almost came to blows, now I am 71 years of age so obviously common sense tells you that this is no longer my way to go about things. I am not timid or anything like that but at my age it's not sensible."

I assumed that meant you didn't want any part of this guy.. Is he intimidating or something?

To be honest I do not care either way!!!

[les1]

Les1, you will find some people on this forum are good for questions like 'where do I get my watch fixed?' or 'where can I find bug spray?' That is their realm. They are good with the mundane. When it comes to actually using their brains and thinking critically, they are out of their comfort zone. Of course we tolerate them and are accepting of them in the community because we realize we all have limitations. Not everyone is capable of giving sound advice. Remember that when evaluating the different posts you read here.

Thank you, already come to this conclusion within 12 hours of posting!!!

[rijit]

God these smoker v non smoker are so dull and predictable. Lets just cut to the chase. The smokers Wrong, Its the condo's rules. He don't like the rules than he shouldn't have rented the apartment . END OF STORY. Oh and each time he lights up, just go to the managment and insist they come up there and then and stop him. If he does it again just do it again and again and carry on until in the end they will have it out with the owner. Oh ps all of the condo's I've rented in poolside has been non smoking.

Sent from my GT-I9000 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited January 5, 2016 by rijit

[les1]

don't no why the op not take up smoking himself,proplem solved,and he will be more at ease with himself.

Because it's stupid...

[CMKiwi]

Larry whats with your predication that a fight will sort it all out? As Ive read it (And no doubt others too) Les1 said it nearly came to blows, it not necessarly what he want and in hindsight he states its not a wise thing to do at his age.

I agree 100 percent with Les1. His main aim is to sort this issue out and for the offender to stop breaking the rules as laid down by the condo management.

Les1 doesnt want a fight and yet you keep harping on about it. And then you mention things like manhood, feeling insecure, and other neanderthal rubbish. One begins to think that perhaps you maybe the one harboring a violent streak.... your replies on this topic seems to indicate so.

[piersbeckett]

I wished I lived in a Condo

Yes, it sounds wonderful, doesn't it!

[rijit]

Larry whats with your predication that a fight will sort it all out? As Ive read it (And no doubt others too) Les1 said it nearly came to blows, it not necessarly what he want and in hindsight he states its not a wise thing to do at his age.

I agree 100 percent with Les1. His main aim is to sort this issue out and for the offender to stop breaking the rules as laid down by the condo management.

Les1 doesnt want a fight and yet you keep harping on about it. And then you mention things like manhood, feeling insecure, and other neanderthal rubbish. One begins to think that perhaps you maybe the one harboring a violent streak.... your replies on this topic seems to indicate so.

Mate having been in these smoker v non smoker threads for an age , the common denominator amongst smokers and pro smokers are that they unfortunantly are generally ignorant red neck idiots.

Sent from my GT-I9000 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited January 5, 2016 by rijit

[LarryBird]

Larry whats with your predication that a fight will sort it all out? As Ive read it (And no doubt others too) Les1 said it nearly came to blows, it not necessarly what he want and in hindsight he states its not a wise thing to do at his age.

I agree 100 percent with Les1. His main aim is to sort this issue out and for the offender to stop breaking the rules as laid down by the condo management.

Les1 doesnt want a fight and yet you keep harping on about it.

I feel I am being realistic about how Les1 gets the issue resolved with himself. Others are recommending he call the cops, etc. If he had initially done something like complaining to management, and the guy barked at the management and they cowered, I could understand telling them to call the police. However, Les took matters into his own hands, and didn't get things fixed. He mentioned that his age was an issue, otherwise it would have been settled there, physically. Les doesn't seem like the type of guy who is going to be content with calling the cops, or moving to another part of the pool area (what I would have done.)

And then you mention things like manhood, feeling insecure, and other neanderthal rubbish. One begins to think that perhaps you maybe the one harboring a violent streak.... your replies on this topic seems to indicate so.

So what?

[F4UCorsair]

What is the evidence that the OP was the instigator. Reading it here on TV is not evidence, hearsay is not evidence.

What's the solution? It would appear that a meeting needs to be called and owners vote on it. Problem is that smokers are sore losers, so will they comply? I'd suggest not.

You made a strong and clear [unequivocally!!] claim; I can say, unequivocally, that the OP had nought to do with the sign being placed. I stake my fortune on that claim.

Now you are saying,, "Reading it here on TV is not evidence, hearsay is not evidence."

This is a lot different to your initial claim

Are you now reneging on that initial claim.?

The second sentence..., yes, i agree fully with as apparently this was not done in the first place.

No, I'm not, but asking you. You say the direct opposite of what I say. We can't both be right. What is your evidence that the OP was responsible, and the sources I nominate aren't acceptable. Posters can claim anything they choose and others have no way to determine the accuracy.

The point I make is that people will adopt whatever is supporting their position, regardless of tbe veracity of what is claimed.

[F4UCorsair]

We're almost as one GJ!! We agree...call a meeting and let the owners vote, but since the sign was erected by condo management, the ban must remain until decided by that vote.

As an occasional tenant, I don't get to vote; the owner does.

Incidentally, it's not my intention to tell you what you can, or can't write, but by trolling you leave yourself wide open for a holiday.

Edited January 5, 2016 by F4UCorsair

[harrry]

They have already had a meeting aparently of the commitee who have directed he manager to stop smoking. It is in the righs of the commitee and possibly the manager on its own to make and enforce rules for common property. The only thing a general meeting could do is to ask them them rescind the rule. It is the rule now.

[garryjohns]

What is the evidence that the OP was the instigator. Reading it here on TV is not evidence, hearsay is not evidence.

What's the solution? It would appear that a meeting needs to be called and owners vote on it. Problem is that smokers are sore losers, so will they comply? I'd suggest not.

You made a strong and clear [unequivocally!!] claim; I can say, unequivocally, that the OP had nought to do with the sign being placed. I stake my fortune on that claim.

Now you are saying,, "Reading it here on TV is not evidence, hearsay is not evidence."

This is a lot different to your initial claim

Are you now reneging on that initial claim.?

The second sentence..., yes, i agree fully with as apparently this was not done in the first place.

No, I'm not, but asking you. You say the direct opposite of what I say. We can't both be right. What is your evidence that the OP was responsible, and the sources I nominate aren't acceptable. Posters can claim anything they choose and others have no way to determine the accuracy.

The point I make is that people will adopt whatever is supporting their position, regardless of tbe veracity of what is claimed.

I believe OP is on line..ask him if he himself,[as i said] made a complaint and management simply put up signs to placate him, or if due process was followed and it was put to a meeting of owners to decide.

Only way to sort this part of it out IMO

[garryjohns]

We're almost as one GJ!! We agree...call a meeting and let the owners vote, but since the sign was erected by condo management, the ban must remain until decided by that vote.

As an occasional tenant, I don't get to vote; the owner does.

Incidentally, it's not my intention to tell you what you can, or can't write, but by trolling you leave yourself wide open for a holiday.

Yep almost as one.

Bet we get to agree totally before this is over with as per my last post.

[garryjohns]

What is the evidence that the OP was the instigator. Reading it here on TV is not evidence, hearsay is not evidence.

What's the solution? It would appear that a meeting needs to be called and owners vote on it. Problem is that smokers are sore losers, so will they comply? I'd suggest not.

You made a strong and clear [unequivocally!!] claim; I can say, unequivocally, that the OP had nought to do with the sign being placed. I stake my fortune on that claim.

Now you are saying,, "Reading it here on TV is not evidence, hearsay is not evidence."

This is a lot different to your initial claim

Are you now reneging on that initial claim.?

The second sentence..., yes, i agree fully with as apparently this was not done in the first place.

No, I'm not, but asking you. You say the direct opposite of what I say. We can't both be right. What is your evidence that the OP was responsible, and the sources I nominate aren't acceptable. Posters can claim anything they choose and others have no way to determine the accuracy.

The point I make is that people will adopt whatever is supporting their position, regardless of tbe veracity of what is claimed.

I believe OP is on line..ask him if he himself,[as i said] made a complaint and management simply put up signs to placate him, or if due process was followed and it was put to a meeting of owners to decide.

Only way to sort this part of it out IMO

Edit..I'm sure the OP is an honest and trustworthy man who will tell the complete story now things have gone this far.

[smotherb]

Well what ever you do...make sure... try not put yourself where you find you need to defend yourself..

Someone is smoking in Thailand... You're Not in San Francisco.

Find something else or another place to hang out..

Where, like some other place with a no smoking rule?

[TheAppletons]

Well what ever you do...make sure... try not put yourself where you find you need to defend yourself..

Someone is smoking in Thailand... You're Not in San Francisco.

Find something else or another place to hang out..

Where, like some other place with a no smoking rule?

How about a pre-school? That way, OP could tell the teacher when Somchai goes pee-pee without asking first.

[northernjohn]

Well what ever you do...make sure... try not put yourself where you find you need to defend yourself..

Someone is smoking in Thailand... You're Not in San Francisco.

Find something else or another place to hang out..

Where, like some other place with a no smoking rule?

Many have a parking garage. That should fill the needs for every one. The smoker who obviously is not doing it for a social reason but for the need to fulfill an addiction and the non smokers because they don't have to put up with the smell.

Please do not try to tell me it is not an addiction as I smoked for about 30 years with two attempts at stopping. One for 6 months and another for two years. This time over 30 years.

[northernjohn]

Well what ever you do...make sure... try not put yourself where you find you need to defend yourself..

Someone is smoking in Thailand... You're Not in San Francisco.

Find something else or another place to hang out..

Where, like some other place with a no smoking rule?

How about a pre-school? That way, OP could tell the teacher when Somchai goes pee-pee without asking first.

Sounds like you have the addiction yourself and the attitude every one around you doesn't count.

[Slain]

It's to late now that you almost came to blows but what you could have done is quietly approached him and try to start a conversation with him. After awhile you can mention that you have had a very close loved one that has recently died from lung cancer and just the sight of someone smoking or the smell of the smoke makes you feel so depressed. Then try to get him to understand the importance of what you're sharing with him.

If after you have had this conversation he stills ignore your request then you can move on to the next step. That is.... Use your imagination.

Second step examples:

Bring an electric fan and blow the smoke away from you. This will become obvious to the smoker and maybe you can embarrass him into refraining from smoking in that area.

Get this smoker to sit close to the swimming pool and then jump in doing a Cannon-ball splash. This is meant to extinguish his cigarette and even get him wet.

You can be observant and determine when the smoker is extinguishing his used cigarettes. If he is throwing them in a common area you can take a photo and make the case with management. Potential fire hazard, unsightly cigarettes buts laying around the pool area, etc... I think you get the idea!

Ah. Here, if the second step is combined with the third step, electrocution would result And yes its accidental. Job done Tony.

[KarenBravo]

Larry whats with your predication that a fight will sort it all out? As Ive read it (And no doubt others too) Les1 said it nearly came to blows, it not necessarly what he want and in hindsight he states its not a wise thing to do at his age.

I agree 100 percent with Les1. His main aim is to sort this issue out and for the offender to stop breaking the rules as laid down by the condo management.

Les1 doesnt want a fight and yet you keep harping on about it. And then you mention things like manhood, feeling insecure, and other neanderthal rubbish. One begins to think that perhaps you maybe the one harboring a violent streak.... your replies on this topic seems to indicate so.

Mate having been in these smoker v non smoker threads for an age , the common denominator amongst smokers and pro smokers are that they unfortunantly are generally ignorant red neck idiots.

Sent from my GT-I9000 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Let me guess.......a totally unbiased non-smoker?

[Gonzo the Face]

I'm 68 but after the first go around - on the second request I think I'd feel obliged to chuck him into the pool.....

Or ask him if I could bum a smoke - grab the pack out of his hands and toss it into the pool as a gentle way of reminding him there's a no smoking policy......

Most things I'm patient about - but not this.....

But I seem to have a way that usually gets the point across.....

Your kidding right??? Who are you, Chuck Norris??? that would be stupid, and get yourself thrown in the pool, OR WORSE. I hate smoking, but unless you are said, Chuck Norris, just complain to the office and landlord, unless you really do want some trouble over something that is NOT worth it.

.....if he is Chuck Norris, he is lying about his age..... Chuck Norris is 75 ....

[LarryLEB]

I suggest that the title of this thread could be made more precise by editing of the word "ignorant."

Many people seem to think that there is really no difference between the words ignorance and stupidity. People often use these words interchangeably. Here is the difference between these two words: “Ignorance is not knowing. Stupidity is knowing and doing it anyway.”

With this distinction in mind, let the title read: "Stupid & nasty foreigner in our Condo.."

Edited January 5, 2016 by LarryLEB

[RolandRat]

I'm 68 but after the first go around - on the second request I think I'd feel obliged to chuck him into the pool.....

Or ask him if I could bum a smoke - grab the pack out of his hands and toss it into the pool as a gentle way of reminding him there's a no smoking policy......

Most things I'm patient about - but not this.....

But I seem to have a way that usually gets the point across.....

Your kidding right??? Who are you, Chuck Norris??? that would be stupid, and get yourself thrown in the pool, OR WORSE. I hate smoking, but unless you are said, Chuck Norris, just complain to the office and landlord, unless you really do want some trouble over something that is NOT worth it.

.....if he is Chuck Norris, he is lying about his age..... Chuck Norris is 75 ....

More likely a case of someone allowing their ambitions over rule their capabilities !

[Dante99]

If you want to live in a place where people follow rules, try Singapore. Thailand is not and never has been that kind of place.

[garryjohns]

I've lived in Asia for long enough to know something that some of the other posters here have missed:

1. The OP whined long enough for the management team to agree to a no smoking rule

2. The management team don't actually give two shakes of a dog's whatsit for this rule - therefore it's not being enforced. If they wanted it enforced, it would be. It's simply a zero priority issue for them.

Thus all the nonsense about juristic persons and forcing out tenants is simply that - nonsense.

You have to remember that in many face cultures (not just Thai face culture) people will tell the idiot doing the complaining, etc. that they can have what they want and then they will promptly go on to never deliver that. I'd think with all the fuss the OP is causing there that there is not a cat in hell's chance of his preferred policy ever being enforced. That's Asia and it's one of the many reasons I love it out here so much. :-)

1. The OP whined long enough for the management team to agree to a no smoking rule

2. The management team don't actually give two shakes of a dog's whatsit for this rule - therefore it's not being enforced. If they wanted it enforced, it would be. It's simply a zero priority issue for them.

Thus all the nonsense about juristic persons and forcing out tenants is simply that - nonsense.

You have hit the nail on the head exactly here IMO.

All we need now is for les1 to clarify..

Question to you les1..

Is the above sentence 1. factual? did they just agree to your demands?

Or conversely did you and or others make a complaint to management team, who through due process.. ie having a meeting of owners/management and whoever else is involved and or needed, whereby a vote was taken and a decision was made to bring into effect a no smoking zone at the swimming pool?

If this option was in fact the one taken, then yes you have all rights to your actions without a doubt.

If ,the scenario as suggested by The SiemReaper is the fact, then you have absolutely no rights at in trying to stop the smoker at the pool, and neither do the management, the police, or the keyboard warriors who are all foaming at the mouth.

Up to you les1.

EDIT.

This is all about the legality and motives of the OP's actions/future actions..not at all about the wrongs and rights and ongoing arguments and PC of smokers vs non smokers..

Edited January 5, 2016 by garryjohns

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

[Dumbastheycome]

Well what ever you do...make sure... try not put yourself where you find you need to defend yourself..

Someone is smoking in Thailand... You're Not in San Francisco.

Find something else or another place to hang out..

Where, like some other place with a no smoking rule?

Many have a parking garage. That should fill the needs for every one. The smoker who obviously is not doing it for a social reason but for the need to fulfill an addiction and the non smokers because they don't have to put up with the smell.

Please do not try to tell me it is not an addiction as I smoked for about 30 years with two attempts at stopping. One for 6 months and another for two years. This time over 30 years.

A genuine congratulations for being an abstaining nicotine addict!

[NickJ]

This is Thailand. Settle it at dawn poolside. With no cell phone cams or witnesses.....