I want THAT ONE

[kannot]

New Global House opened at Pranburi...............wahoooooooo great for me so went down to buy a small aircon for the maids/guesthouse...

"I want that one" I said , the Global man looked at it and then walked over to another one same brand Samsung.....................no no I said "THAT ONE"........................"ok ok" said mr Global............Wife paid the 9900 baht and they loaded it up................got home opened it up to start installing and ...............??????????????/ yep it was the other model I didnt want.

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

Wife said " I wont call the manager this time so go change it now"

Honestly sometimes u really cant make it up..............1 hour wasted and the usual no apology.

Wife drilled the guy on "why he didnt mention this when we were looking"

Moral of the story, ask for what you dont want first and you might get what you do want.

Edited January 4, 2016 by kannot

[orchidlady]

I went to buy a new mobile. I was told three colors were available. I picked silver. They had to charge it so we came back in half an hour. There was a problem she tells my Thai friend. All the silver ones have had problems keeping a charge-maybe better to choose another color, Thai friend says. I asked if any of the other two had similar problems. No. So I pick beige. Why didn't you tell me this when you offered me the colors I ask? " Because you said you like the silver." But I like a phone that doesn't have any known problems rather than a specific color. "Up to you" was the answer. . And when I ask a ton of questions about something before i.e. when checking condos to rent, I hear them talk in Thai-farang ask so many questions.TIT every year still keep getting surprised.

[TheCruncher]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

[Morakot]

Sounds like the usual cheeky sales people! Sorry to hear.

that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years

Is this really true? What kind of gas is this?

Edited January 4, 2016 by Morakot

[TheCruncher]

Sounds like the usual cheeky sales people! Sorry to hear.

that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years

Is this really true? What kind of gas is this?

I assume R-22.

[Morakot]

Sounds like the usual cheeky sales people! Sorry to hear.

that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years

Is this really true? What kind of gas is this?

I assume R-22.

I see. Thanks!

Why is the OP insisting on this refrigerant? I hear it can be replaced with an alternative refrigerant.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Morakot

[cornishcarlos]

R 22 is being phased out..

New systems should have R 407C or R 410A as a refrigerant.

You will still be able to get your unit serviced but only with reclaimed R 22, as production will cease.

[cornishcarlos]

P.S you can't substitute R 22 with R 410A as it has a higher working pressure.

[kannot]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

Nope it will be available otherwise ALL the aircons sold in the world will have to be replaced...............just think about it...really!!

http://www.refrigerantguys.com/R-22-DuPont-ISCEON-MO99-refrigerant-p/111048.htm

Edited January 4, 2016 by kannot

[kannot]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

When was the last time your fridge leaked??

What I do see is "your gas needs topping up" con in Thailand

Edited January 4, 2016 by kannot

[TheCruncher]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

When was the last time your fridge leaked??

What I do see is "your gas needs topping up" con in Thailand

In the OP you say you bought an aicon, not a fridge, or did they give you a fridge without you noticing?

I know of a lot of aircons that have leaked over time.

[TheCruncher]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

Nope it will be available otherwise ALL the aircons sold in the world will have to be replaced...............just think about it...really!!

http://www.refrigerantguys.com/R-22-DuPont-ISCEON-MO99-refrigerant-p/111048.htm

Yes it can be replaced in some cases, depending on the model and brand of aircon you have, but did you notice the price? And the longer R-22 is phased out the more that price will increase.

Is R22 refrigerant gas still available ?

There is no supply of virgin R22 refrigerant. The supply of recycled or reclaimed R22 is becoming limited, resulting in increased cost of the available supplies.

http://www.mcft.com/what-we-do/r22-gas-phase-out

What are my options for my R22 refrigeration equipment?

You should start planning for HCFC/R22 phase out now, to give you as much time as possible to consider the most appropriate course of action. These are the available options :

1. Replace the whole refrigeration installation with a new system Clearly the best option in terms of efficiency, reliability and warranty but is also the most expensive in terms of initial cost. Some disruption will also be incurred as the old R22 installation will need to be removed and new pipe work, controls, and wiring installed. New installations will use HFC refrigerants.
2. Re-use the existing pipe work (and possibly wiring) and install a new condensing unit and evaporator coil that operate on an alternate HFC refrigerant Making use of existing pipework and wiring, replacing the evaporator coil and the condensing units, could be a cost-effective alternative as it can enable the reuse of existing pipe work and possibly also existing site wiring and controls - subject to certain conditions and manufacturers’ recommendations. Note : If your system is old or has a history of leaks, then complete replacement will be necessary.
3. Replace the refrigerant within the system with a different, more easily available, refrigerant Retro-fitting with an alternative refrigerant overcomes the need to remove old equipment and install new systems and pipework. However, it may be difficult to predict actual system performance and reliability following retrofit, and there may be a question mark over how long the system will last. Alternative refrigerants to R22 can also be expensive.

[SoiBiker]

Your air con is a much more complicated system than your fridge, with much more piping and joins for the refrigerant to leak from. Plus you don't leave half your fridge outdoors exposed to the elements.

As for the issue with the purchase - they probably couldn't believe that anyone would be so foolish as to deliberately choose the older unit, so assumed there had been an error.

Still, it appears that you know best.

[rodcourt49]

..It's Thais caring nature..to give you what they think you should have regardless of what you choose or instruct them to do

[colinneil]

Sales people all over the world want you to buy the item they get the biggest commision from.

5 years ago my fil wanted a new tractor, i said to him a 3605 (kubota) is what you need for the land you have, ohh no salesman talks him into buying a 4708, far too big far to expensive.

Did fil listen to me(a mere farang) no he listened to the salesman.

Now he is struggling to pay for the bloody thing, please help me, no way you would not listen so you fix the problem yourself.

[kannot]

Your air con is a much more complicated system than your fridge, with much more piping and joins for the refrigerant to leak from. Plus you don't leave half your fridge outdoors exposed to the elements.

As for the issue with the purchase - they probably couldn't believe that anyone would be so foolish as to deliberately choose the older unit, so assumed there had been an error.

Still, it appears that you know best.

No use sulking as you didnt win POTY

[kannot]

Your air con is a much more complicated system than your fridge, with much more piping and joins for the refrigerant to leak from. Plus you don't leave half your fridge outdoors exposed to the elements.

As for the issue with the purchase - they probably couldn't believe that anyone would be so foolish as to deliberately choose the older unit, so assumed there had been an error.

Still, it appears that you know best.

My Aircon compressor is exposed to nothing, its in the shade tucked high under the eaves, sun never gets too it rain, never gets to it..........its not dumped on the floor like most i see, R22 still readily available in 15 oz cans and bigger, substitutes also available including propane though some argue flammability but cant be worse than any LPG or NGV vehicle in thailand.

But to get right to the crux of the issue the newer model will not fit the space the older one will and does not open the way the older one will. ...............So YES I know best and mr Chump at global doesnt

Edited January 5, 2016 by kannot

[Don Mega]

Your air con is a much more complicated system than your fridge, with much more piping and joins for the refrigerant to leak from. Plus you don't leave half your fridge outdoors exposed to the elements.

As for the issue with the purchase - they probably couldn't believe that anyone would be so foolish as to deliberately choose the older unit, so assumed there had been an error.

Still, it appears that you know best.

My Aircon compressor is exposed to nothing, its in the shade tucked high under the eaves, sun never gets too it rain, never gets to it..........its not dumped on the floor like most i see, R22 still readily available in 15 oz cans and bigger, substitutes also available including propane though some argue flammability but cant be worse than any LPG or NGV vehicle in thailand.

But to get right to the crux of the issue the newer model will not fit the space the older one will and does not open the way the older one will. ...............So YES I know best and mr Chump at global doesnt

I know plenty of people back home that use propane in their car AC units. Works well.

[BangkokHank]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

More likely the salesman just wanted to sell the model that gave him the highest commission. My guess is that he just made up the story about the lack of availability of the "gas" in a few years.

[IMHO]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

Nope it will be available otherwise ALL the aircons sold in the world will have to be replaced...............just think about it...really!!

http://www.refrigerantguys.com/R-22-DuPont-ISCEON-MO99-refrigerant-p/111048.htm

The R-22 Ban for Thailand goes into effect on Jan 1, 2018. It will not be available then - unless you can find someone secretly hoarding stock (will happen) and you'll pay the exorbitant prices they'll be wanting.

Edited January 6, 2016 by IMHO

[IMHO]

1. Replace the refrigerant within the system with a different, more easily available, refrigerant Retro-fitting with an alternative refrigerant overcomes the need to remove old equipment and install new systems and pipework. However, it may be difficult to predict actual system performance and reliability following retrofit, and there may be a question mark over how long the system will last. Alternative refrigerants to R22 can also be expensive.

The 3 popular AC refrigerants in TH (R-22, R-410a and R-32) all operate at vastly different pressures, so I can't see how they could possibly be interchangeable.

Edited January 6, 2016 by IMHO

[TheCruncher]

1. Replace the refrigerant within the system with a different, more easily available, refrigerant Retro-fitting with an alternative refrigerant overcomes the need to remove old equipment and install new systems and pipework. However, it may be difficult to predict actual system performance and reliability following retrofit, and there may be a question mark over how long the system will last. Alternative refrigerants to R22 can also be expensive.

The 3 popular AC refrigerants in TH (R-22, R-410a and R-32) all operate at vastly different pressures, so I can't see how they could possibly be interchangeable.

Alternative as in

al·ter·na·tive

ôlˈtərnədiv/

adjective

adjective: alternative

1.

(of one or more things) available as another possibility.

"the various alternative methods for resolving disputes"

synonyms: different, other, another, second, possible, substitute, replacement

R-410 or R-32 are no alternatives. RS-44 or R422D are alternatives for R-22, though not sure if they are available in Thailand, and as said in the article they may be expensive.

[kannot]

1. Replace the refrigerant within the system with a different, more easily available, refrigerant Retro-fitting with an alternative refrigerant overcomes the need to remove old equipment and install new systems and pipework. However, it may be difficult to predict actual system performance and reliability following retrofit, and there may be a question mark over how long the system will last. Alternative refrigerants to R22 can also be expensive.

The 3 popular AC refrigerants in TH (R-22, R-410a and R-32) all operate at vastly different pressures, so I can't see how they could possibly be interchangeable.

Alternative as in

al·ter·na·tive

ôlˈtərnədiv/

adjective

adjective: alternative

1.

(of one or more things) available as another possibility.

"the various alternative methods for resolving disputes"

synonyms: different, other, another, second, possible, substitute, replacement

R-410 or R-32 are no alternatives. RS-44 or R422D are alternatives for R-22, though not sure if they are available in Thailand, and as said in the article they may be expensive.

Theres a few others and r22 still easy to get form China also in 30lb containers... my aircon only holds a small amount 25 oz i think i saw

http://www.achrnews.com/articles/128943-refrigerant-manufacturers-looking-beyond-r-22

http://www.stargetchem.com/refrigerant.shtml?gclid=CjwKEAiA8K20BRDetNv3p6DNhXwSJADSwa3t5QleSwF-WHQiyY0HLNe5aLrNtgKX04HHqSEKJ55IpxoCnsLw_wcB

http://www.agas.com/upload/pdf/140205022841_21549.pdf

Edited January 6, 2016 by kannot

[kannot]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

Nope it will be available otherwise ALL the aircons sold in the world will have to be replaced...............just think about it...really!!

http://www.refrigerantguys.com/R-22-DuPont-ISCEON-MO99-refrigerant-p/111048.htm

The R-22 Ban for Thailand goes into effect on Jan 1, 2018. It will not be available then - unless you can find someone secretly hoarding stock (will happen) and you'll pay the exorbitant prices they'll be wanting.

and we all know how strict the law is here

[IMHO]

1. Replace the refrigerant within the system with a different, more easily available, refrigerant Retro-fitting with an alternative refrigerant overcomes the need to remove old equipment and install new systems and pipework. However, it may be difficult to predict actual system performance and reliability following retrofit, and there may be a question mark over how long the system will last. Alternative refrigerants to R22 can also be expensive.

The 3 popular AC refrigerants in TH (R-22, R-410a and R-32) all operate at vastly different pressures, so I can't see how they could possibly be interchangeable.

Alternative as in

al·ter·na·tive

ôlˈtərnədiv/

adjective

adjective: alternative

1.

(of one or more things) available as another possibility.

"the various alternative methods for resolving disputes"

synonyms: different, other, another, second, possible, substitute, replacement

R-410 or R-32 are no alternatives. RS-44 or R422D are alternatives for R-22, though not sure if they are available in Thailand, and as said in the article they may be expensive.

Gee wow, thanks for the education

Now try to find your "alternative" gasses in TH. Good luck

@The guy suggesting to import yourself from China: super good luck to you

[kannot]

http://www.atrrefrigerant.com/distribution.html Thai com[any

[sead]

R22 cools much more than alternatives. You have new gas that mixes with r22. You can replace it with other compatible ozon friendly gases or mix. So dont worry. As long as theres old refrigerators in thailand you have original gas for your ac.

[scorecard]

Drove back to Global and was told " that is a model they will stop making the gas for in a few years so we gave you the new one which will have gas available in a few years". I dont care!!

And in a few years your aircon will have a leak, after which you have to charge the refrigerant again that isn't available anymore, and the you will care.

Is refrigerant gas changing that often?

[scorecard]

Here's my story about Global in Chiang Mai.

Spotted some much better than average quality outdoor folding chairs.

- Told the salesman I wanted 8 chairs, he indicated he would have some staff repack the chairs in he original boxes.

- I explained very clearly (I speak good Thai) that I didn't want them repacked because I was short on time, my house just 10 minutes away, and I didn't want to have to dispose of the boxes.

- Salesman indicated he would get 2 juniors to help. Salesman disappeared.

- Two assistants arrived, then suddenly gone.

- 45 minutes later I went looking for the 2 assistants, found them lounging in the back of the store.

- I assumed there had been some misunderstanding so I indicated again, please move the chairs to the cashier.

- Very politely: 'Cannot, can't find the boxes'.

- But I told your supervisor 'I don't want the boxes!' Retort: Very politely,'Yes we know mr. but boss says have to put all chairs in boxes'.

- 'So why didn't you came back and tell me you can't find the boxes?' Very politely: 'Cannot, not allowed to talk to customer,only boss can talk to customer.'

- 'So did you go and tell your supervisor you can't find the boxes? 'We tried but he is talking to big boss so cannot talk to him'.

- 'OK, please come with me'. I quickly found 4 shopping trolleys, and asked them to load 2 chairs on each trolley, no boxes.

- With quite some hesitation they loaded the chairs onto the shopping trolleys and quickly to the cashier. Whilst I was paying I can see they are trying to hide.

- All paid, I ask them to help me take the 4 shopping trolleys to my vehicle. They help but all done as fast as possible.

- One assistant stands guard, I assume checking if the supervisor is in sight. The second assistant loads them as fast as possible.

- I realize they have tried to be helpful but not helped by the instructions / rules, and they have been very polite. I give them 100Baht tip each, they say a big thank you and abandon the trolleys and run for a back entrance to the store.

Edited January 10, 2016 by scorecard

[TheCruncher]

R22 cools much more than alternatives. You have new gas that mixes with r22. You can replace it with other compatible ozon friendly gases or mix. So dont worry. As long as theres old refrigerators in thailand you have original gas for your ac.

Refrigerators don't use R22, aircons do.