kaptainrob Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I didn't know that Nok Air had a bad safety record. Any insight as to why they only get 2 stars? Nok failed IATA's safety audit (-2 stars) and Thailand failed ICAO safety (procedural) audit (-2 stars) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Back in the 70's when I was working in the Sudan neither Sudan or Egypt had very many native pilots so they hired all of the Brit alcoholics who had been fired from British carriers. I was waiting to board a Sudan Airways flight out of Khartoum to London and the crew was boarding. They were crossing the waiting room when one of them stumbled and started screaming incoherently about something. The entire crew stopped in the middle of the room while they got him under control and then proceeded to walk out to the plane. I decided to take the next day's flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I am only taking minivans from now on. I don't know. Nok Air may be safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john davis Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 wow bring back dan dare air and freddie laker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddibabyyeah Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 And Thai Airways charges more and has a bad rap . Tells you why I don't fly Local Airlines As a matter of fact my girlfriend is Thai and will not fly any of these airlines as well Tells you something doesn't it If you don't fly local airlines, how do you travel around the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Before begin to speculated about this subject I recommend you to look this site. http://www.airlineratings.com/safety_rating_per_airline.php?l=T The information given by this newspaper come from this website. You can found how they rank company and why their downgrade... for all Thai carrier downgrade come from CAA of Thailand Operation concern from OACI and none approbation from FAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Who is airlineratings dot com ??? Bit of research will lead to "Geoffrey Thomas" an Australian, clearly this is is more about Qantas and the metrics formulated to promote Qantas to the top of the list, sure the Americans could come up with another list that would put an airlines using mainly boeing aircraft at the top, not saying Qantas is not best, just depends where you put the goal posts. I do agree Thailand needs to improve on Air Safety, but would travel any day with a Thai airline in preference to an Indonesian airline. Edited January 16, 2016 by Basil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balford Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 My wife and I have flown Bangkok Airways from Lampang to Bangkok and return for around eight years now and have absolutely no complaints. Statistics can be skewed to suit the individual agenda of these surveys and I'd suggest they have in this case. Bob A. Relaxed in Lampang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) And Thai Airways charges more and has a bad rap . Tells you why I don't fly Local Airlines As a matter of fact my girlfriend is Thai and will not fly any of these airlines as well Tells you something doesn't it Just says you don't fly domestic too often since they're the only choice to many locations in Thailand. Edit: Which begs the question, which brand of 2 wheel death trap does she prefer to get around town? Edited January 16, 2016 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) I didn't know that Nok Air had a bad safety record. Any insight as to why they only get 2 stars? Just one example, take a few of their flights and watch how often they check the name details etc., at both check-in and at the boarding gate. At one stage, maybe a year back, approximately, they had several incidents of passengers on wrong flights. Before take off they should give the passengers seated in the exit rows a verbal briefing. Plenty of times I've seen foreigners in these rows. the briefing is conducted in Thai language only and so fast the details are clouded for even the Thai passengers to understand. Edited January 16, 2016 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I am only taking minivans from now on. And/or double decker buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 "...and whether the airline operates only Russian-manufactured planes..." love the implied message in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) "...and whether the airline operates only Russian-manufactured planes..." love the implied message in this one. It is called moving the goal post, notice they did not take crew inexperience into consideration otherwise they would not have been able to award the Qantus subsidiary "JetStar" 7 stars. Edited January 16, 2016 by Basil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marknreston Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I didn't know that Nok Air had a bad safety record. Any insight as to why they only get 2 stars?[/quote I am also curious. Nok, bangkok airways and airasia fly new equipment and I don't recall any accidents or safety lapses since I have been flying I. Thailand the past few years. The fact that the FAA has put the Thailand government civil aviation agency on report does not equate to unsafe operations by Thai airlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrizzla Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Finally. A hub of something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The star ratings of these 5 mentioned Thai airlines does surprise me somewhat. If I had to predict beforehand, based on my experience flying them all numerous times, I would have gone with; Orient Thai: 1star Nok Air: 2stars AirAsia: 3 stars Thai Air: 4stars Bangkok Air: 4+stars What might have skewed the results is the difference between long haul fligh and only short haul flight airlines. Short haul airlines are generally a lot more dangerous due to the inherent risk of take of and landing and use of smaller (prop) planes. Anyway, still plenty work to do for all Thai airlines! Internal flights do not have to comply with International requirements either just local requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stgrhe Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Airline Ratings is an Australian on-line company with a questionally methode for how the different airlines are rated. Skytrax uses a much better methode and I recommed checking their evaluations for more accurate figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Who is airlineratings dot com ??? Bit of research will lead to "Geoffrey Thomas" an Australian, clearly this is is more about Qantas and the metrics formulated to promote Qantas to the top of the list, sure the Americans could come up with another list that would put an airlines using mainly boeing aircraft at the top, not saying Qantas is not best, just depends where you put the goal posts. I do agree Thailand needs to improve on Air Safety, but would travel any day with a Thai airline in preference to an Indonesian airline. Both Vietnam airlines 5/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I see Lion Air is operating in Thailand - are they not banned in Europe ? I was pretty happy with them actually. I was also surprised they had a German captain flying the plane I was on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiea Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I didn't know that Nok Air had a bad safety record. Any insight as to why they only get 2 stars? flight hours on airframe and power plant as opposed to routine planned preventive maintenance program determined by "said" flight hours . the factory schedule must be followed accurately and be up to date including major component removal & replacement as well as component rebuild . this schedule determines "safety rating" . short cuts in maintenance means the plane has a poor safety record and planes will fall in the near future . all mechanical operations od the aircraft must be kept in "new" condition at all times . bada bada bing ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) On my first ever visit to Thailand in 1999, our company had a retired US Army colonel on retainer as our local agent. At that time he had lived in Thailand about 23 years. He went on and on and on one night about how bad THAI airlines was. On what was he basing his critique? Cabin service, smooth landings, on time departures?Having lived in Thailand 23 years and relaying pub talk doesn't qualify him for much when it comes to commenting on safe airline operation. Edited January 16, 2016 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 surprising? Thailand is a hub of many "worst" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The International Air Transport Association need to be careful or the police might consider charges against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Please don't argue with me because I know Thailand is the best aviation hub in the region with all the safety details executed in military precision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I have been impressed with Lion Air after 3 flights with them. When we checked in last Thursday they would have given me an exit seat if my wife had not been wearing loose shoes, I had trainers on, which they were actively looking for. Exit row briefings conducted after the general safety brief. All announcements were understandable, especially from the lady first officer. Seat pitch is very tight, however once sitting, quite comfortable. We have moved from AirAsia as Lion give you 15kg of hold baggage and are still much cheaper on the Ubon route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howitzer Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 And Thai Airways charges more and has a bad rap . Tells you why I don't fly Local Airlines As a matter of fact my girlfriend is Thai and will not fly any of these airlines as well Tells you something doesn't it wait so how do you get from bkk to phuket/ chiangmai? By land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 And Thai Airways charges more and has a bad rap . Tells you why I don't fly Local Airlines As a matter of fact my girlfriend is Thai and will not fly any of these airlines as well Tells you something doesn't it wait so how do you get from bkk to phuket/ chiangmai? By land? I think the secret has been lost in some ancient Siam scripts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oishii Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 "Thailand is home to 4 of the worst airlines for safety in the world"This I can believe.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
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