Pinot Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Airlines not safe. Trains derailing. Roads are the real killers. What shall be next? Does Thais have a sense of responsibility? Rhetorical question? Or do you want an answer? Of course they don't. They're wonderful people, but they don't give a ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonnie Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 The star rating is actually quite misleading when it comes to airline safety.I have watched nearly every air investigation episode ever screened ( might make me an armchair expert) and the one thing that is clearly evident is that aeroplanes can and do fly with numerous issues that don't necessarily affect their overall performance .Having said this; I would rather fly in a plane held together with fencing wire and with a pilot who knows his stick and rudder than with someone who is too afraid to turn the auto pilot off. PS. apparently a very sensitive subject here in Asia... i recently made an internet comment to a very similar topic and promptly had my account deleted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltwhisky Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Fly Nok from Bkk to Udon and back each year for several years and haven't had a complaint yet. Nice quick 1 hour flight. I suppose I could add 5 hours to the trip each way and take the highways but would that be safer? Regularly fly Nok - DMK to Lampang and back - apart from compulsory flight delays, never had a problem. No comment about on- board snack though New aircraft (ATR's or Q400's) and safety advice in English (after Thai) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I see Lion Air is operating in Thailand - are they not banned in Europe ? I was pretty happy with them actually. I was also surprised they had a German captain flying the plane I was on So did that Greenwings plane that crashed in Europe a little while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Who is airlineratings dot com ??? Bit of research will lead to "Geoffrey Thomas" an Australian, clearly this is is more about Qantas and the metrics formulated to promote Qantas to the top of the list, sure the Americans could come up with another list that would put an airlines using mainly boeing aircraft at the top, not saying Qantas is not best, just depends where you put the goal posts. I do agree Thailand needs to improve on Air Safety, but would travel any day with a Thai airline in preference to an Indonesian airline. woah, australian conspiracy theory. i don't fly qantas, not because of safety, but because of bad service. here's another airline rating system. i use this one because the ratings are done by your fellow travellers.........http://www.airlinequality.com/review-pages/a-z-airline-reviews/ So these airlinequality reviews are passenger evaluations......If the flight attendents were from a Pattaya bar I guess they would get high reviews. Nothing to do with safety as this topic is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I didn't know that Nok Air had a bad safety record. Any insight as to why they only get 2 stars? flight hours on airframe and power plant as opposed to routine planned preventive maintenance program determined by "said" flight hours . the factory schedule must be followed accurately and be up to date including major component removal & replacement as well as component rebuild . this schedule determines "safety rating" . short cuts in maintenance means the plane has a poor safety record and planes will fall in the near future . all mechanical operations od the aircraft must be kept in "new" condition at all times . bada bada bing ................ I thought Lufthansa Technik take care of these operations http://www.lufthansa-technik.com/press-releases-content/-/asset_publisher/9Mf5/content/id/1142366 The spectrum of services governed by the contract includes the supply of all components and consumables, engine and thrust reverser overhauls, and services for landing gear and brakes. For this purpose, Lufthansa Technik has set up a material warehouse at the airline's hub at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, and is supporting the carrier's growing fleet with technical fleet management on site. It is a supply contract for the parts not the actual work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 And how many incidents has Air Asia had? How many crashes? Within Thailand? I know of a couple of relatively minor incidents with Bangkok Air. But, i consider them to be a very safe, and well run airline. Is there an agenda at work here? Something unseen? Something political, perhaps? I just do not trust this survey. I consider both Bangkok Air and Air Asia (especially within Thailand) to be incredibly safe airlines. Would never hesitate to fly on either, and have countless times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren84310 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The star ratings of these 5 mentioned Thai airlines does surprise me somewhat. If I had to predict beforehand, based on my experience flying them all numerous times, I would have gone with; Orient Thai: 1star Nok Air: 2stars AirAsia: 3 stars Thai Air: 4stars Bangkok Air: 4+stars What might have skewed the results is the difference between long haul fligh and only short haul flight airlines. Short haul airlines are generally a lot more dangerous due to the inherent risk of take of and landing and use of smaller (prop) planes. Anyway, still plenty work to do for all Thai airlines! Bangkok Air!!!!..... u must be joking.... They've had more runway crashes than I've had hot dinners. Does that mean you had one single hot dinner in your life? Bangkok air had two runway incidents amongst 3 total incidents since they started in 1968. For the record those two runway incidents cost the life of 1 person (pilot) in total. The third accident was an actual crash. Get it right.... 3 runway accidents and 1 crash.... and do you believe that all incidents are reported because I heard of one in Samui that wasn't... look at this article about Asia... http://www.wsj.com/articles/on-asias-flights-potentially-dangerous-mistakes-go-unreported-1436836841 P.S....... if I'm wrong then change that to hot dinners in a Tesco Lotus food court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulfsailor Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The star ratings of these 5 mentioned Thai airlines does surprise me somewhat. If I had to predict beforehand, based on my experience flying them all numerous times, I would have gone with; Orient Thai: 1star Nok Air: 2stars AirAsia: 3 stars Thai Air: 4stars Bangkok Air: 4+stars What might have skewed the results is the difference between long haul fligh and only short haul flight airlines. Short haul airlines are generally a lot more dangerous due to the inherent risk of take of and landing and use of smaller (prop) planes. Anyway, still plenty work to do for all Thai airlines! Bangkok Air!!!!..... u must be joking.... They've had more runway crashes than I've had hot dinners. Does that mean you had one single hot dinner in your life? Bangkok air had two runway incidents amongst 3 total incidents since they started in 1968. For the record those two runway incidents cost the life of 1 person (pilot) in total. The third accident was an actual crash. Get it right.... 3 runway accidents and 1 crash.... and do you believe that all incidents are reported because I heard of one in Samui that wasn't... look at this article about Asia... http://www.wsj.com/articles/on-asias-flights-potentially-dangerous-mistakes-go-unreported-1436836841 P.S....... if I'm wrong then change that to hot dinners in a Tesco Lotus food court. I missed the one in Seam Reap, so yes, three runway incidents with a combined 1 fatality. If there was an unreported incident on Samui it must have been more than 11 years ago, as I haven't heard or seen anything apart from the official ones since I lived there. Ps, my house has a view on the runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesflight Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The star ratings of these 5 mentioned Thai airlines does surprise me somewhat. If I had to predict beforehand, based on my experience flying them all numerous times, I would have gone with; Orient Thai: 1star Nok Air: 2stars AirAsia: 3 stars Thai Air: 4stars Bangkok Air: 4+stars What might have skewed the results is the difference between long haul fligh and only short haul flight airlines. Short haul airlines are generally a lot more dangerous due to the inherent risk of take of and landing and use of smaller (prop) planes. Anyway, still plenty work to do for all Thai airlines! Bangkok Air!!!!..... u must be joking.... They've had more runway crashes than I've had hot dinners. You must be on a diet - 4 accidents and only one with fatalities Incidents and accidents[edit]On 7 December 1987, Sahakol Air Hawker Siddeley HS 748 Series 2A (registration HS-THH), was damaged beyond repair after it overran the runway on landing at Udon Thani Airport (UTH) with no fatalities.[25] On 21 November 1990, Bangkok Airways flight 125 de Havilland Canada DHC-8-103 crashed on Koh Samui while attempting to land in heavy rain and high winds. All 38 people on board perished.[26] In August 2002 an ATR 72-200 skidded off the runway while landing at Siem Reap International Airport. There were no injures. The airport was closed for 2 days. On 4 August 2009, Bangkok Airways Flight 266, operated by an ATR-72 between Krabi and Ko Samui skidded off the runway, killing one of the pilots. The 68 passengers were evacuated.[27] Of the passengers evacuated, 6 sustained serious injuries while another 4 were treated for minor injuries.[28] About the same as QANTAS On 24 August 1960, Lockheed Super Constellation registered VH-EAC crashed on take-off at Mauritius en route to the Cocos Islands, Australia. The take-off was aborted following an engine failure, the aircraft ran off the runway, and was destroyed by fire. There were no fatalities.[170] On 23 September 1999, Qantas Flight 1, a Boeing 747-400 registered VH-OJH, overran the runway while landing at Bangkok, Thailand, during a heavy thunderstorm. The aircraft came to a stop on a golf course, but without fatalities. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau criticised numerous inadequacies in Qantas' operational and training processes.[171] On 25 July 2008, Qantas Flight 30, a Boeing 747-438 registered VH-OJK, suffered a ruptured fuselage and decompression as a result of an oxygen tank explosion over theSouth China Sea. En route from Hong Kong International Airport to Melbourne Airport, the aircraft made an emergency landing at Ninoy Aquino International Airport with no injuries.[172] On 7 October 2008, Airbus A330-300 registered VH-QPA, travelling from Singapore to Perth, Western Australia as Qantas Flight 72, suffered a rapid loss of altitude in two sudden uncommanded pitch down manoeuvres causing serious injuries while 80 nautical miles (150 km) from Learmonth. The aircraft safely landed in Learmonth, with 14 people requiring transportation by air ambulance to Perth. Another 30 people also required hospital treatment, while an additional 30 people had injuries not requiring hospital treatment.[173] Initial investigations identified an inertial reference system fault in the Number-1 Air Data Inertial Reference Unit as the likely origin of the event. On receiving false indication of a very high angle of attack, the flight control systems commanded a pitch down movement, reaching a maximum of 8.5 degrees pitch down.[174] On 4 November 2010, Qantas Flight 32, an Airbus A380 registered VH-OQA, fitted with four Trent 972 engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce, suffered an uncontained turbine disc failure of its left inboard engine shortly after taking off from Singapore Changi Airport en route to Sydney. The flight returned to Singapore and landed safely, and all 440 passengers and 29 crew on board survived uninjured.[175] Cowling parts of the failed engine fell over Batam Island, Indonesia.[176][177][178] If the two airlines have experienced a similar number of crashes, the fact that QANTAS operates 6 times as many planes and around 10 times as many flights a day as Bangkok Airways would seem to indicate they are 6-10 times safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Of course there will be no official Government statement stating that things are going to change forthwith....i mean for real, not just talk. More likely it would all be blamed on the previous Government ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerbob Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 This is clearly wrong and damages Thailand's image. Thailand's very own respected international air safety ratings survey, conducted by social welfare students at Chula Uni on 1,243 Thais from 70 villages from Jan 5-6, puts Knock-Air at 7 Stars. ......yeah, what do these Airlinerating.com people know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 "Nok happy, Jan!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Wonderful News (from the office of the Tourism Minister) "Of the five airlines rated recently, in Thailand, Thai Airways was rated Number One! Yup, you can make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Just leave it to the spin doctors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizBang Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I await TAT's response, followed by the 'They used old data' excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Time for the Thai-do-gooders to chime in: " I personally been flying xyz for 3 years and never been in crash! In my homecountry, I once had to wait 24 minutes on the runway, because A wire had to be changed! Ergo: Thailand is the safest ever..." ...what?Oh, they are here already?Ok, carry on!Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 seemingly a lifetime ago. i lived in mexico, and we called them 'el crasho airlines' there; with the mindless denial that thai 'officials' seem to embrace, we can surely hear some novel excuses ; bought the brain level of a 10 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I was a flight attendant with Air Canada for 10 years. I've been in Laos for 12 years and have flown on all 4 of those airlines. I don't feel safe on any of them, but there are times when you have to get somewhere. I seem to recall an incident involving Thai Airways a few years back when a plane ran off the end of the runway and to deal with the problem they had a freaking baci. Yeah, that'll take care of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 1:13 PM, jaywalker said: On my first ever visit to Thailand in 1999, our company had a retired US Army colonel on retainer as our local agent. At that time he had lived in Thailand about 23 years. He went on and on and on one night about how bad THAI airlines was. I have a few friends who work in aviation back home. All of them have warned me for years about flying on airlines in SEA. They all have sketchy airlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 A friend of mine is the CEO of an upstream company under Shell. He is only allowed on 3 airlines here in Southeast Asia which is SQ, KLM and BA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 2:19 PM, JoePai said: I see Lion Air is operating in Thailand - are they not banned in Europe ? At one time so was Garuda and also to Nth America's , check it out on google, UN restricted aircraft list., I can't be bothered............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericnoodeeka Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 You must be on a diet - 4 accidents and only one with fatalities Incidents and accidents[edit]On 7 December 1987, Sahakol Air Hawker Siddeley HS 748 Series 2A (registration HS-THH), was damaged beyond repair after it overran the runway on landing at Udon Thani Airport (UTH) with no fatalities.[25]On 21 November 1990, Bangkok Airways flight 125 de Havilland Canada DHC-8-103 crashed on Koh Samui while attempting to land in heavy rain and high winds. All 38 people on board perished.[26]In August 2002 an ATR 72-200 skidded off the runway while landing at Siem Reap International Airport. There were no injures. The airport was closed for 2 days.On 4 August 2009, Bangkok Airways Flight 266, operated by an ATR-72 between Krabi and Ko Samui skidded off the runway, killing one of the pilots. The 68 passengers were evacuated.[27] Of the passengers evacuated, 6 sustained serious injuries while another 4 were treated for minor injuries.[28]About the same as QANTASOn 24 August 1960, Lockheed Super Constellation registered VH-EAC crashed on take-off at Mauritius en route to the Cocos Islands, Australia. The take-off was aborted following an engine failure, the aircraft ran off the runway, and was destroyed by fire. There were no fatalities.[170]On 23 September 1999, Qantas Flight 1, a Boeing 747-400 registered VH-OJH, overran the runway while landing at Bangkok, Thailand, during a heavy thunderstorm. The aircraft came to a stop on a golf course, but without fatalities. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau criticised numerous inadequacies in Qantas' operational and training processes.[171]On 25 July 2008, Qantas Flight 30, a Boeing 747-438 registered VH-OJK, suffered a ruptured fuselage and decompression as a result of an oxygen tank explosion over theSouth China Sea. En route from Hong Kong International Airport to Melbourne Airport, the aircraft made an emergency landing at Ninoy Aquino International Airport with no injuries.[172]On 7 October 2008, Airbus A330-300 registered VH-QPA, travelling from Singapore to Perth, Western Australia as Qantas Flight 72, suffered a rapid loss of altitude in two sudden uncommanded pitch down manoeuvres causing serious injuries while 80 nautical miles (150 km) from Learmonth. The aircraft safely landed in Learmonth, with 14 people requiring transportation by air ambulance to Perth. Another 30 people also required hospital treatment, while an additional 30 people had injuries not requiring hospital treatment.[173] Initial investigations identified an inertial reference system fault in the Number-1 Air Data Inertial Reference Unit as the likely origin of the event. On receiving false indication of a very high angle of attack, the flight control systems commanded a pitch down movement, reaching a maximum of 8.5 degrees pitch down.[174]On 4 November 2010, Qantas Flight 32, an Airbus A380 registered VH-OQA, fitted with four Trent 972 engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce, suffered an uncontained turbine disc failure of its left inboard engine shortly after taking off from Singapore Changi Airport en route to Sydney. The flight returned to Singapore and landed safely, and all 440 passengers and 29 crew on board survived uninjured.[175] Cowling parts of the failed engine fell over Batam Island, Indonesia.[176][177][178]thats what i call dedication. fantastic summary thank youSent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Perhaps the more unsafe an airline, the more sexy flight attendents are....maybe a crafty move to divert the assessors from the real issues?.. Just take a look at those lucious chesty hotties fitted in red abord those Air Asia planes and totally forget that you don't have a life jacket below your seat or that the tank is not at full!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Worse than Africa or the -stans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 1:37 PM, Hawk said: "Thailand is home to 4 of the worst airlines for safety in the world" This I can believe! yeah, 'safety' and thailand do not go together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 0:56 PM, WitawatWatawit said: This is clearly wrong and damages Thailand's image. Thailand's very own respected international air safety ratings survey, conducted by social welfare students at Chula Uni on 1,243 Thais from 70 villages from Jan 5-6, puts Knock-Air at 7 Stars. OMG lol lol lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuketSarah Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) On 6/25/2017 at 10:18 PM, ericnoodeeka said: thats what i call dedication. fantastic summary thank you Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app That list leaves off the 1 2 Go crash 2007, where pilots simply neglected or forgot how to fly the plane in a go around- 90 dead, and how the airline AND the airport had a lot of issues, never addressed never punished, and simply went under the parent co name Thai Orient and still flying. 31 August 1987; Thai Airways 737-200; HS_TBC; light 365; Phuket, Thailand: While descending during a daylight approach in good weather, the crew lost control of the aircraft and crashed into sea, apparently due to a combination of errors by the flight crew and air traffic control. All of the nine crew members and 74 passengers were killed. 1980 1985 etc etc http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/thai.htm And this one Thai Air 1992 "July 1992, an A310-304 on the route, registration HS-TID, crashed on approach to Tribhuvan. At 07:00:26 UTC (12:45:26 NST; 14:00:26 ICT), the aircraft crashed into the side of a mountain 37 kilometres miles north of Kathmandu at an altitude of 11,500 feet and a ground speed of 300 nautical miles per hour, killing all 99 passengers and 14 crew members.[1][2] Edited July 23, 2017 by PhuketSarah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marke985 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 1:59 PM, sipi said: I am only taking minivans from now on. I would like to nominate this for comment of the year. I don't laugh often but this was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 0:59 PM, sipi said: I am only taking minivans from now on. Oh yes, they are so very safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 1/16/2016 at 1:11 PM, Gulfsailor said: The star ratings of these 5 mentioned Thai airlines does surprise me somewhat. If I had to predict beforehand, based on my experience flying them all numerous times, I would have gone with; Orient Thai: 1star Nok Air: 2stars AirAsia: 3 stars Thai Air: 4stars Bangkok Air: 4+stars What might have skewed the results is the difference between long haul fligh and only short haul flight airlines. Short haul airlines are generally a lot more dangerous due to the inherent risk of take of and landing and use of smaller (prop) planes. Anyway, still plenty work to do for all Thai airlines! Prop planes are less safe? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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