Spanish murder suspect has fled Thailand, girlfriend claims

[Damaz6052]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

And why haven't the press asked questions?

[roo860]

The butcher of Bangkok roams the Thai, Cambodian border. Lock your doors people, it's going to be a long night.

Looks like a fun loving average tourist.

[kiwikeith]

I really do like to give the RTP the shadow of the doubt in cases such as this; they are not easy to solve in any country. People should not believe all they see in the various CSI series & movies that do the rounds; reality is a lot more different.

However, when i read statements like the ones issued in the OP, my support wavers.

"On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya".

How is this possible, to withdraw 37 million baht from ATMs over such a short period? Even if it was possible, surely the bank would flag these transactions?

"On Saturday, Thai PBS reported that police were holding a meeting before deciding whether to issue an arrest warrant for Segarra, who has now overstayed his visa having previously travelled in and out of the country on 30 previous occasions".

I know the guy Segarra is only a suspect, but clearly he is a very important suspect. What is the reason for the meeting and what has his visa history got to do with it? Surely they can issue an arrest warrant just on the overstay issue (due to his person of interest status) and at least get him into detention?

Don't know, I would like to be wrong with the above issues........................

I would have thought that they would be able to arrest him on suspicion of murder alone, with all the horse crap about no evidence yet of murder, that is rubbish he has overstayed, is wanted in Spain for document forgery and is the prime suspect in a gruesome murder , not to mention extortion of money from the victims Bank.

the police are making themselves look stupid.

There also, as posted was no need to post the GF's pic in the media she should be under police protection, this is no ordinary criminal/s here.

I also susect that the GF might no more about him crossing the border into Cambodia if that is the case, I think he may have-- and a donation would easily get him across from this border town.

Quite a long ride from BK to Surin on a bike with passenger and millions in cash.

Maybe the Cambodians will nab him and deposit him back over the border as was suspected with the Erewan bomber.

Things look a bit suspicious regarding the money trail and the withdrawals, I wonder where the money is now?? how do you carry 30 odd million BHT around without difficulty, maybe some low life has some fingers on the loot as well.

Then how do you carry a stiff around and dissmember it then deposit it all over the town on a motorbike --- alone????

Police say they are not releasing details and they know all about the case, lets hope all is revealed soon and this sicko and his accomplaces caught.

Because of the victims movements over the last few years there may come to surface illicit dealings, certainly a very brutal murder for just extortion.

[mogo51]

Why do the Thai police have to rat out an informant - especially one who has no knowledge of any crime? Why do they even have to say what she told them or that she gave them pictures of him? Why do they have to show a picture of her in the news?

All they needed was the info she gave them because it has no further use to the system. Now she could be a target of him or cronies for what purpose?

Bloody good question.

[SOTIRIOS]

....so many inconsistencies...

...what should one think.....

[wvavin]

My guts tell me this report is nonsensical! I read it in the toilet.

[mesterm]

A criminal's girlfriend...her mum and the whole village must be proud of her

The photo in bed is what really made me laugh

[arrowsdawdle]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

Perhaps, it is a translation issue and he was transferring funds to another account rather than pulling cash out of the ATMs. Also, withdrawal limits are set by the account holder. If he had IDs and account access data he could have reset the withdrawal limits on the Bernat account.

[arrowsdawdle]

A criminal's girlfriend...her mum and the whole village must be proud of her

Only if gifts were involved.

[RIJoe]

My reading of the story is that he transferred the 37 million and then "started" to withdraw from ATM's, so he's not walking around with the full amount. (Could be a translation issue.)

[alanrchase]

I really do like to give the RTP the shadow of the doubt in cases such as this; they are not easy to solve in any country. People should not believe all they see in the various CSI series & movies that do the rounds; reality is a lot more different.

However, when i read statements like the ones issued in the OP, my support wavers.

"On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya".

How is this possible, to withdraw 37 million baht from ATMs over such a short period? Even if it was possible, surely the bank would flag these transactions?

"On Saturday, Thai PBS reported that police were holding a meeting before deciding whether to issue an arrest warrant for Segarra, who has now overstayed his visa having previously travelled in and out of the country on 30 previous occasions".

I know the guy Segarra is only a suspect, but clearly he is a very important suspect. What is the reason for the meeting and what has his visa history got to do with it? Surely they can issue an arrest warrant just on the overstay issue (due to his person of interest status) and at least get him into detention?

Don't know, I would like to be wrong with the above issues........................

The OP states "started to withdraw " not has withdrawn.

[lvr181]

Thai police arrest an aged group playing social game of cards ......And meanwhile a murder suspect gets away!!

Makes Perfect sense???

It is about face saving priorities for the benefit of tourism?

And when the "card playing fiasco" is over, the local police will be able to say, we do not have that one as an unsolved case. We're doing our job!

Wow!

[Tatsujin]

37 million baht withdrawn from atm's at 20k a time and nothing got red flagged at any point?

Come on BiB, you can bullshit better than that.

Thais withdrawal millions through the casinos in Poipet everyday. Just use their atmosphere card to transfer 30 million to the casino's Thai account. So why would it be suspicious? Thais transfer from account to account has no limit.

Fine, but he's Spanish, not Thai, and moving funds from a Singaporean bank account to Thai bank account and then withdrawal from ATM's.

[Caveat Emptor]

Probably the BIB were happy to hear the suspect has fled the country as they're not noted for aggressive pursuit of suspects who have gone overseas.

Now they can just say all the right things without bothering to follow them through.

Put it this way, a foreigner has been murdered by other foreigners and only because this happened on Thai soil has it become the involvement of the Thai police. Once a foreign perpetrator has left the country it then becomes someone else`s problem. In fact I don`t lie blame on the Thai police if they decide not to put a lot of resources into finding the murderers abroad.

A very strange ' logic ' and view on law and order.

[NCC1701A]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

[alanrchase]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

[Don Mega]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

Actually it says he had transferred almost 37 million and had started to withdraw it.

[alanrchase]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

Actually it says he had transferred almost 37 million and had started to withdraw it.

Exactly. Started to withdraw. Nowhere does it say he has withdrawn the 37 mil via an ATM.

[Gandtee]

Here's the motorbike.

This a motorbike.

[NCC1701A]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

ok, but my experience is 20,000 baht is the limit at Bangkok Bank, I know because my rent is 33,000 baht and i have to make two withdrawals over two days to get that much cash. 20,000 one day, 13,000 the second day. this happens every month for the last two years. maybe different for some people.

[Lopchan]

For those of TV CSI trying to get your head around the 37 million baht and ATM thing. Read it and think. It says

"On Friday police said that Segarra had transferred and started to withdraw almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya."

Now if you go back to elementary English, it means that he has transferred SOME of the money and withdrawn SOME of the money but there is still money in the Singaporean account, which I would like to think the RTP / Interpol would be apply for a lock on the account right now.

Hope that clears up the "mystery" for you so you can get back to solving the greatest crimes of the century past and present.

[alanrchase]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

ok, but my experience is 20,000 baht is the limit at Bangkok Bank, I know because my rent is 33,000 baht and i have to make two withdrawals over two days to get that much cash. 20,000 one day, 13,000 the second day. this happens every month for the last two years. maybe different for some people.

20,000 per transaction but can do two in a row. Possibly your card is different to mine. One banks ATM allows 30,000 per transaction and I have never had a problem. When I first got the card the bank employee seemed very concerned about the 40k limit, turned out he was trying to warn me that my wife could use it to empty my account.

[smotherb]

like a rabbit in the head lights, his free days are numbered,

Really? It may be relatively easy for a travel-wise Spanish-speaking millionaire to loose himself in some backwater country in South America.

[luckyman]

Say this guy has the 37 million baht in a back pack. If each 1000 baht note weighs aprox 1 gram this would come to about 40 kilograms of weight. With jungle terrain to cross over to Cambodia of about 5 miles -10 miles of treking would take about slow walking pace, 4-8 hours. Now he was last seen on Friday night, so treking in the dark through jungle is difficult. So say he waited until first light, he would be in Cambodia around 12 noon, thirsty and his clothes dirty. With all his money in Thai baht he would need to barter for taxi rides or food, etc in this currency. Cambodian authorities should be able to track him down.

and the land mines, you forgot the land mines.

And the Khmer Rouge, some r still in hiding overthere Edited February 7, 2016 by luckyman

[Tomtomtom69]

Say this guy has the 37 million baht in a back pack. If each 1000 baht note weighs aprox 1 gram this would come to about 40 kilograms of weight. With jungle terrain to cross over to Cambodia of about 5 miles -10 miles of treking would take about slow walking pace, 4-8 hours. Now he was last seen on Friday night, so treking in the dark through jungle is difficult. So say he waited until first light, he would be in Cambodia around 12 noon, thirsty and his clothes dirty. With all his money in Thai baht he would need to barter for taxi rides or food, etc in this currency. Cambodian authorities should be able to track him down.

What's stopping him from exchanging the whole loot to Cambodia's "official" currency the US dollar when he gets to the border?

Baht is only accepted near the Cambodian border. Anyone willing to accept Baht further away from the border will accept it only at a very poor exchange rate. In fact, even near the border for example in Poipet, anyone bartering for say a private taxi to Phnom Penh will likely find they can't get the price down to less than 2500-3000 Baht, whereas in US dollars it can be had for as little as 60 US$.

[Tomtomtom69]

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

ok, but my experience is 20,000 baht is the limit at Bangkok Bank, I know because my rent is 33,000 baht and i have to make two withdrawals over two days to get that much cash. 20,000 one day, 13,000 the second day. this happens every month for the last two years. maybe different for some people.

20,000 per transaction but can do two in a row. Possibly your card is different to mine. One banks ATM allows 30,000 per transaction and I have never had a problem. When I first got the card the bank employee seemed very concerned about the 40k limit, turned out he was trying to warn me that my wife could use it to empty my account.

Bangkok Bank allows withdrawals of 25,000 Baht per transaction, not 20,000. The daily limit depends on your card, for mine it's 500,000 a day, but Bangkok Bank now reportedly suggests that for most foreigners who hold their accounts it's just 50,000 a day? Not sure how true this is, but either way, who in their right mind would withdraw such large sums of money from an ATM when it's much easier to go inside a branch and say: "1 million Baht or in this case, 37 million Baht please".

ATMs are used to withdraw small amounts of money as a convenience for customers so they don't have to visit a branch. However, ATMs are NOT appropriate for very large withdrawals.

[geriatrickid]

Say this guy has the 37 million baht in a back pack. If each 1000 baht note weighs aprox 1 gram this would come to about 40 kilograms of weight. With jungle terrain to cross over to Cambodia of about 5 miles -10 miles of treking would take about slow walking pace, 4-8 hours. Now he was last seen on Friday night, so treking in the dark through jungle is difficult. So say he waited until first light, he would be in Cambodia around 12 noon, thirsty and his clothes dirty. With all his money in Thai baht he would need to barter for taxi rides or food, etc in this currency. Cambodian authorities should be able to track him down.

Oh my. You forgot one sad detail. The border zone has 3 characteristics;

1. There are still many areas that have not been cleared of mines. People off the beaten track still go kaboom.

2. One cannot just trek through the jungle if one does not know how to use a compass or have experience in thick brush. Have you ever been in the jungle in this area? It's unpleasant and often impassable.

3. The area is saturated with poachers, smugglers, army rangers and border police. No one gets though without someone allowing it.

[starchild5]

Hope that he don't escape to Corrupt Europe where he would be given Immunity from Prosecution especially in UK or better, he will hire a lawyer and make his extradition to Thailand impossible due to death penalty laws.

People complaining needs to THINK harder...Where is he escaping to...No Country in Asia is safe for him except Europe where criminals are treated with royalty in the name of "human rights".

He wants to RUN to Europe because he knows he will be protected.

[Bpuumike]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

The article said he had started to withdraw the 37 million Baht.

That would take a long time from atm's, pretty unsophisticated way of going about it.

[thaiduncankk]

On Friday police said that Segarra had withdrawn almost 37 million Baht from the Singaporean bank account belonging to the victim, David Bernat.

The withdrawals took place from various ATMs in Bangkok and Ayutthaya.

37 million baht from various ATMs?! do ATMs have that much cash in them? isnt there a daily withdrawl limit on accounts to prevent such things happening?

at Bangkok Bank and SCB the limit is 20,000 baht per 24 hours.

37,000,000 baht divided by 20,000 baht per day is 1,850. 1850 DAYS or FIVE YEARS.

I have Bangkok Bank ATM, was informed maximum per day was 40,000. Have got 50,000 in a day.

Yet again OP says STARTED to withdraw, why are people arguing over whether it is possible to do it via an ATM? Maybe he only took 500 baht out.

ok, but my experience is 20,000 baht is the limit at Bangkok Bank, I know because my rent is 33,000 baht and i have to make two withdrawals over two days to get that much cash. 20,000 one day, 13,000 the second day. this happens every month for the last two years. maybe different for some people.

Speak to the bank manager.

You can up your daily limit, but there will be a maximum per transaction of, say, 20,000.

Raise your limit to 40,000, do 2 x 20,000 one after the other, job sorted.