Searat7 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 As soon as it became evident the ship was taking on water the Thai authorities should have boarded the ship with pumps and stabilized the vessel - then go after the owner to push for removal. Expecting the owner to take immediate action to save his sinking ship is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 This would have made an epic wreck dive if it had been sunk in the right place. Now it will cost a truly huge amount to refloat and move, and good luck to the Thais on getting any money out of the Chinese owners. Easy! Shake down all the "welcome" Chinese tourists for 1000bht each and there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Off topic troll post removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attento Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Meanwhile, the value of scrap metal on world markets has been falling lower and lower. Would the considerable cost of safe removal to a scrap metal yard be justified ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKT Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Let's get these guys to build railways intsead. Trains don't sink! This one did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnybay Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 This was the beloved Sun Princess, one of the pioneer ships in the modern cruise industry, I know many Brits who served and sailed on her, they had the time of their lives in those early day and are very saddened by her demise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaowong1 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 "raising fear by Thai environmental authorities that it could cause pollution in the sea." In that sea? How in the heck would you ever notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Freckle Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Maybe it was overloaded with more of the usual Sino cultural chauvinism ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 This would have made an epic wreck dive if it had been sunk in the right place. Now it will cost a truly huge amount to refloat and move, and good luck to the Thais on getting any money out of the Chinese owners. It would have being just as bad or worst if it had sank at a dive destination In Order for it to become a dive destination it would need to be scrubbed clean of pollutants and for it to sink in a controlled way so that it settles to the bottom upright , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 And of course neither the Thai authorities nor the Chinese owners will take responsibility. Could it be (perish the thought)this watery grave was no accident? docked for a year with no crew or maintenance, maintenance was due, so it could never have been used for a legal cruise. Scuttled for insurance more likely ,the balme clearly lies with the owner and port authorities for not overseeing it's safe departure outside of thai waters . Wonder who paid the port fees before it was released.probably the brown paper bag man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowisee Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Hey, someone parked 3 Boeing 747's at Kuala Lumpur airport and walked away... "Honey, have you seen the 747?" 5555 That'd be the ones owned by Swift Air and are not actually abandoned ? I don't know and I didn't say they were abandoned, but many lines of text from various news articles do. "Malaysian airport officials are searching for the owner of three abandoned Boeing 747 jets left unclaimed at an airport for more than a year." Edited February 29, 2016 by Nowisee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidstipek Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Chinese way of dumping rusty scrap? Mooring for a year Another stunning story <deleted> Good luck with recovering this scrap. Smaller version of "Costa Concordia" http://www.newsmaritime.com/2016/abandoned-cruise-ship-ocean-dream-capsized-and-sank-off-thailand/ The cruise ship Ocean Dream (IMO: 7211517) has overall length of 163.00 m, moulded beam of 24.00 m and maximum draft of 7.00 m. The deadweight of the vessel is 2,352 DWT and the gross tonnage is 17,042 GRT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Dream_%281972_ship%29 A report from 2 days ago! See the hole A foreseeable disaster. Negligence at its worst (or criminal intent). https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-news/2016/11631/ghost-ship-laem-chabang-road-cruise-ship-ocean-dre/ Take a good look: At pictures 2 days before Ocean Dream Sank ("On her Port Side...." https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-news/2016/11631/ghost-ship-laem-chabang-road-cruise-ship-ocean-dre/ This if the "Portside Loading Door in her side was opened "Deliberately" Should enable Thai Marine Authorities to file Multiple Criminal Charges. Based on the fact that Ocean Dream still retained a "Legal Owner". Owner would be responsible for his watercraft. The fact that Hatch was opened from inside by someone with access to her lower decks and who would have had knowledge of where this hatch was located, What doors needed to remain open to completely sink her... This should be enough for Insurance to refuse any claim against her.... Obvious failed attempt to Scuttle her! Was sinking Deliberate? Intentional? Seems they screwed-up by location... "Shallow Anchorage"!! Edited February 29, 2016 by davidstipek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunMat Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 This would have made an epic wreck dive if it had been sunk in the right place. Now it will cost a truly huge amount to refloat and move, and good luck to the Thais on getting any money out of the Chinese owners.It would have being just as bad or worst if it had sank at a dive destinationIn Order for it to become a dive destination it would need to be scrubbed clean of pollutants and for it to sink in a controlled way so that it settles to the bottom upright , Only it was an artificial reef, what about all the proper shipwrecks about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 That is not a hole it is a hatch. The post on FleetMon by David Stipek says it should be fairly easy to re-float too. Chinese way of dumping rusty scrap? Mooring for a year Another stunning story <deleted> Good luck with recovering this scrap. Smaller version of "Costa Concordia" http://www.newsmaritime.com/2016/abandoned-cruise-ship-ocean-dream-capsized-and-sank-off-thailand/ The cruise ship Ocean Dream (IMO: 7211517) has overall length of 163.00 m, moulded beam of 24.00 m and maximum draft of 7.00 m. The deadweight of the vessel is 2,352 DWT and the gross tonnage is 17,042 GRT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Dream_%281972_ship%29 A report from 2 days ago! See the hole A foreseeable disaster. Negligence at its worst (or criminal intent). https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-news/2016/11631/ghost-ship-laem-chabang-road-cruise-ship-ocean-dre/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 There must be some sublime strategy behind all this in waiting over a year for an abandoned ship to rot away and sink..., and then start worrying about the environment, as opposed to moving the ship while it was infinitely easier... maybe they want to use it for target practice, once the Navy receives their new Chinese subs... Better watch out, Thailand.. China's now going to claim this, and the waters around it, as their territory and start landing strip construction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Off topic post removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 What a well written article.I don't believe a word of it. One word springs to mind,INSURANCE. I don't think Insurances pay if there is negligence or criminal intend, like the open door just above the waterline....like in the photo and article.....!?!?!? Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I'd keep an eye on this if I were the Thai navy. There's odds on the Chinese will claim territorial rights for their man made island that everyone else sees as a sunken ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamTheFarang Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 "she may simply capsize in fresh weather, judging from photos" - to me she looks already capsized but I am not a Thai expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 This is a two year old topic and is no longer news //CLOSED// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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