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No one ever tells my why Hillary is better, even after I point out that she is a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street. It's as if the reactions are totally emotional but blinded to what she really is.

Trump is the only person running for the office who isn't owned by the Establishment. DC stinks to the rooftops and has destroyed the middle class by exporting jobs to the sole benefit of big corporations. The donor class loves illegal immigration because it drives wages down by overloading the system with workers - workers who work cheap. The middle class has a double whammy of exported jobs and imported illegal workers.

Trump is the only chance we have for the middle class to recover from these things that both parties have been doing for decades. Hillary will keep it up for her donors. She IS Wall Street and big pharma and big corporations. She's in their pockets and they pay her millions for speeches to keep her in their pockets.

The R's current excuse for not wanting Trump to be the nominee is that they are afraid he'd lose to Hillary.

The TRUTH is that they are afraid he'd win and stop their nonsense.

Cheers.

I think the Republicans main concern is that Trump's got no coat tails for their Senate and Congressional race candidates.

He'll be a boat anchor for Republican candidates.

Som nom na

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The loser rednecks who support Trump together with the rightwhingers who are wildly enthusiastic about Trump just don't get it as the majority of the Republican party assert that Trump is neither suitable nor is he qualified to be Potus. It's not a matter of whether Trump is a Republican or a Democrat. It is that Benito The Donald is an unknowing menace to himself and a recognised and known menace to the USA and to the world.

As with earlier generations of the 20th century who never knew it either, these particular Americans are lost in their twilight world. Their twilight of the gods and the supposed triumph of will.

USA has never gone to extremes at either end of the political spectrum. The reason is that most Americans are like most of their fellow Angophile world, i.e., centrists of the political and cultural middle; of the center right, the center left and are overall and over the long haul moderate and middle of the road.

The Anglophile world hasn't nor will it ever produce a fascism of any particular kind. We are the ones who have fought and defeated fascism and its extremist kin totalitarian and authoritarian Marxism.

CAN it ever happen otherwise? No. Not as long as we have the vote.

Neither is Hillary Clinton giving speeches to Goldman Sachs nor is Bernie Sanders critising it fascism, nor is it extremist. Donald Trump building walls and closing the United States to Muslims and all the rest of it is exactly a unique American fascism. Even mainstream Republicans know this, recognise it, oppose it in the absolute.

Trump cannot succeed because, well, he is unable to succeed as long as we have the vote. The Anglophone world is centrist so it moves gradually. It is not extremest nor is it wildly unpredictable.

People who want middle class jobs:

Are not mainstream.

People who don't like illegal immigration, especially when sanctuary places give them driver's licenses so they can sneak in and vote:

Are not mainstream.

People who are tired of enriching China by shipping them American jobs:

Are not mainstream.

People who think a country should have borders:

Are not mainstream.

People who want to improve the economy by increasing manufacturing in the US:

Are not mainstream.

People who want to put America first:

Are not mainstream.

Mainstream: (I guess)

Giving away your economic future to illegal aliens would be a huge help in reaching Hispanic voters.

I'm doing my best to catch on to all of this but It's not working.

It's not working because, you're not mainstream. (and it is very complicated for low info voters)

Yeah, let's rely on the likes of Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio to set America back on track. clap2.gif Jeez

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NEWS IN BRIEF
March 2, 2016
VOL 52 ISSUE 08
Politics · Politicians · Election 2016 · Republican
WASHINGTON—In an effort to counter the real estate magnate’s rapidly growing lead in the delegate count, GOP statisticians announced Wednesday they had successfully developed an entirely new branch of mathematics for formulating scenarios in which Donald Trump does not win the Republican Party’s presidential nomination. “By expanding on pioneering work in the fields of applied statistics, higher-order logic, and number theory, we’ve arrived at a new branch of mathematics that provides for a multitude of feasible outcomes in which Donald Trump is not the 2016 GOP nominee,” said Dr. Jeffrey Larson, who has led a team of more than 30 statisticians who have been working around the clock at RNC headquarters to establish new mathematical properties since the wealthy businessman won the New Hampshire primary by a 20-point margin. “The new field required several breakthroughs on the manipulation of Boole’s inequality principle, and some of our models are still only predictive within certain artificial stochastic conditions. However, this new discipline of Nonlinear Computational Probability finally establishes a practicable methodology by which there exist possible paths to the nomination for Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz.”
At press time, Larson announced the team had devised a new method of abstraction and mathematical induction in which lower numbers have a greater numerical value than their higher counterparts.
LOL

It could be that Donald John Trump has met his match as a scheming and shifty operator in Atty. Ben Ginsburg, the RNC premier lawyer who crooked the 2000 election from Al Gore and the Democratic party. This time he's going to save the R party from its most radical elements within that are led by Donald Trump.

Ginsburg is strategising for the RNC to ensure Trump is not nominated. The guy is smooth, sharp, believes in the Republican party National Committee, helped Romney survive his challengers in 2012, is absolutely without principle and has set his eyes on fellow but opposite sleazebag Donald Trump.

For over two decades, Ginsberg has been a top lawyer for the Republican Party—the same party, you may recall, that has led the effort to restrict voting rights of late. Ginsberg helped lead the 2000 recount effort for George W. Bush. He was forced to resign from the Bush campaign in 2004 after it was revealed that he was also advising the vile Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. In 2006, Ginsberg said, “Just like with the Voting Rights Act, Republicans have some fundamental philosophical difficulties with the whole notion of Equal Protection.”

http://www.thenation.com/article/obama-appoints-controversial-gop-lawyer-his-voting-commission/

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Here's a Republican hostile and critical view of Ginsburg published in the rightwing journal Breitbart newz...

Ginsberg has for years been a damage control man for the GOP establishment. Back in 2012, as the establishment—then run by operatives working to further then presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s control of the party—made several rules changes to the RNC rules, Ginsberg was their point man.

“The changes he [Ginsberg] proposed shared a common theme: to concentrate and centralize more power at the top of the party and to shut off opportunities for power in the party to flow from the bottom up,” Blackwell wrote.

"His efforts predictably enraged conservative Republicans who treasure the protections long incorporated in our national party rules. The record will show that during the Conventions Rules Committee meeting, as a member of that committee from Virginia, I repeatedly warned Mr. Ginsberg that his power grabs would hurt the Romney campaign by outraging grassroots conservative and libertarian activists whom we want to support our candidates."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/10/31/like-letting-devil-run-bible-study-gop-campaigns-about-to-allow-establishment-plant-run-debate-strategy-meeting/

The news bulletin to the extremists on the right is not really a bulletin. The center will hold against them. After all, Donald J. Trump is not Sen Gene McCarthy nor is he Ronald Reagan. Trump is more like an unrestrained triple fertilising of the gangster Dick Cheney, the cretin Donald Rumsfeld and the thug Eliot Abrams.

The R party learned its harsh lesson in 1964 when the radical Sen Barry Goldwater led a revolt that seized control of the R party and which wiped out the Republican party for the next four years, during which Medicare was enacted by the hugely D congress, along with other rightwinge terrible horrors such as the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the whole of LBJ's Great Society which rightwhingers still howl about with a great severity pain and anguish.

Good luck to each side tearing at your own throats and may the worst among you win. clap2.gif

Posted

No one ever tells my why Hillary is better,....

Ummm, let me think. She's better because she doesn't consider everyone with less money as losers. She knows how to effectively deal with foreign leaders. Foreign leaders like Clinton, they don't like Trump. Heck, Trump can't even get along with the Pope, for kirssakes. She's not beholden to the Koch brothers, as all Republicans are. Yes, the same Koch brothers who bring in $13 million a day from their inherited oil biz and spend much of that money to own right-wing politicians like Trump. What's that you say? Trump is so rich, he can't be bought? Well then why is he repeating the Koch brother's anti-poor people, anti-environment, anti-immigrant, anti-minimum wage rhetoric word for word? Maybe it's just coincidence.

So Trump's temper tantrums have been an act? It's not the real Trump? Great, we're seeing an actor and we'll just have to wait and see the real person, if he's elected, as president. Will he be more of a hot-head quick-to-anger, quick-to-name-calling immature bully when in office? Or less so? Regardless, his act is working. It's garnering votes. Come to think of it, Hitler garnered votes also, in the early days at raucous beer halls. They loved guns also (see below).

So what has been the benefit of Obama selling guns to the Mexican Cartels and the forerunner of ISIS?

Many of the Mexican cartels' guns are as easy to get as crossing the border in to a US city like San Antonio, where there are giant gun shows where anyone can buy a military-type gun by just slapping the cash down on the table. It's Republican rednecks who keep the military weapons biz going - enabling any punk in North America to get automatic weapons and use them however they want. Cruz, Rubio and Trump love those guys. They're their base supporters.

You claim:

" She's not beholden to the Koch brothers, as all Republicans are. Yes, the same Koch brothers who bring in $13 million a day from their inherited oil biz and spend much of that money to own right-wing politicians like Trump."

She might feel a certain sense of obligation to the Koch brothers if they had been paying her millions of dollars to make half hour speeches. Her sense of loyalty will come down on the side of the Wall Street bankers, Tom Steyer and George Soros.

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"Many of the Mexican cartels' guns are as easy to get as crossing the border in to a US city like San Antonio, where there are giant gun shows where anyone can buy a military-type gun by just slapping the cash down on the table. It's Republican rednecks who keep the military weapons biz going - enabling any punk in North America to get automatic weapons and use them however they want."

Care to share with us exactly how many gun shows you have attended in San Antonio? I would also like to know your description of a "military-type" weapon.

Automatic weapons for sale at gun shows? cheesy.gif

Selling to punks? cheesy.gifcheesy.gif

Love the obligatory reference that all liberals must make about rednecks. But tell me...are all Republicans rednecks or are all rednecks Republicans?

Posted

Now this is interesting. I never knew there were 20,000 intelligent individuals that had ever come out of MA.

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Many Mass. Democrats Switched To Republican Party Ahead Of Super Tuesday
March 1, 2016 11:10 AM By Carl Stevens
BOSTON (CBS) — Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin told WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens that he’s seen a lot of the state’s registered Democrats leave the party and become unenrolled ahead of the Super Tuesday primary–and that some voters had gone even further.
“In fact, we’ve seen a significant number of people leaving the Democratic party and joining the Republican party,” said Galvin.
Galvin said he is predicting a big Republican turnout at the polls Tuesday.

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Forget it.

This is what I wrote yesterday to NS at another thread about Trump in a poll and second place when NS made the same similar and like post there as you have done here....do try to keep up plse thx.

Massachusetts Vote Potus 2012

Obama 1.9 million votes = 61%

Romney 1.1 million votes = 38%

Trump needs a complete turnaround of one million votes in Massachusetts in November to win the solid Blue state. That would mean one-third of the total Massachusetts electorate switching over to the enemy. Lemme say it again, Forget It.

Same for the other solid Blue states and Blue leaning states.

Pennsylvania for instance (strongly) leans Blue. Here's the 2012 PA Potus election result:

Obama 2.9 million votes = 52%

Romney 2.6 million votes = 47%.

In PA Trump in November (or any R for Potus) needs to swing 300,000 votes to the R and add another one percent of the PA total electorate for a minimal good margin or measure. That means changing up to 400,000 voters to the other side in PA. That's five percent of the PA total electorate. The mountain here is high.

PA has not voted R for Potus since 1988. When Bill Clinton in 1992 started PA on its current Blue state status, he got 50.6% of the state's vote. Barack Obama in 2012 got 52.0%. This not only is a trend, it is a significant and sustained trend.

The numbers cited in MA don't support a voter reversal in MA. Nor do they suggest a voter revrsal PA. Even if the reversal data of today might be a trend in this election, it is a small and electorally insignificant development. The Trump fanboyz need to recognise Trump or any wildman candidate like him repells the vast moderate and centrist mass of voters who are the middle and who when they are in an unusually broad agreement will blow your guy out.

Many Republicans recognise this. It's the far right that is out there about it; the farther out right fails to recognise it and the fringe wingnuts miss it completely. Think Sen Barry Goldwater in 1964 cause reality is, well, real. Always has been.

Lotta intelligent people in and emergine from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if I don't mind saying so myself. Taking the one page from your book about it that isn't wrong wrong wrong that's all.

cheesy.gif

Kindly indulge my posting after my own post to bring youse guyz up to date and so youse can keep up. This is my governor back home and for whom I wuz pleased to vote in 2014 (by certified mail and ballot from here, as per usual in an election back there in my state) :

Charlie Baker won’t vote for Donald Trump in November

Boston Globe Staff

March 02, 2016

Massachusetts Republican Governor Charlie Baker, after months of edging away from his party’s presidential front-runner, took his firmest stance yet against Donald J. Trump Wednesday, saying, “I’m not going to vote for him in November.”

The governor’s statement comes after months of declining to say if he would vote for Trump, should he be the GOP presidential nominee, and amid the tumultuous reckoning Republican officials across the country face as they figure out how to deal with the political rise of the reality television star.

Growing numbers of party elders, including US Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and former US House majority leader Tom DeLay, have said they would not support Trump if he is the nominee. Former governor Mitt Romney, the party’s 2012 nominee, who has called Trump’s remarks on white supremacy groups “disqualifying,” is scheduled to discuss the race on Thursday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/02/charlie-baker-won-vote-for-trump-november/PxZyCgPp3hvZb5MfQSjt7K/story.html

My good guy governor for whom I voted and have only the most rewarding returns. (I voted for Mitt's opponent loser back in the 2002 race for MA governor. But then again Romneycare-Obamacare originated with the then Gov. Romney during his one and only term.)

Do try to keep up plse thx.

Posted

^^Yeah, interesting theory. You can behave outrageously like an older version of Charlie Sheen, but deep down inside you're really a thoughtful person. You can initially run on batsh*t platform, and then later you will amend that to be a prudent, thoughtful and benign leader of the free world. whistling.gif

Less fool him then if it does the job

Posted

Now this is interesting. I never knew there were 20,000 intelligent individuals that had ever come out of MA.

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Many Mass. Democrats Switched To Republican Party Ahead Of Super Tuesday
March 1, 2016 11:10 AM By Carl Stevens
BOSTON (CBS) — Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin told WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens that he’s seen a lot of the state’s registered Democrats leave the party and become unenrolled ahead of the Super Tuesday primary–and that some voters had gone even further.
“In fact, we’ve seen a significant number of people leaving the Democratic party and joining the Republican party,” said Galvin.
Galvin said he is predicting a big Republican turnout at the polls Tuesday.

cheesy.gif

Forget it.

This is what I wrote yesterday to NS at another thread about Trump in a poll and second place when NS made the same similar and like post there as you have done here....do try to keep up plse thx.

Massachusetts Vote Potus 2012

Obama 1.9 million votes = 61%

Romney 1.1 million votes = 38%

Trump needs a complete turnaround of one million votes in Massachusetts in November to win the solid Blue state. That would mean one-third of the total Massachusetts electorate switching over to the enemy. Lemme say it again, Forget It.

Same for the other solid Blue states and Blue leaning states.

Pennsylvania for instance (strongly) leans Blue. Here's the 2012 PA Potus election result:

Obama 2.9 million votes = 52%

Romney 2.6 million votes = 47%.

In PA Trump in November (or any R for Potus) needs to swing 300,000 votes to the R and add another one percent of the PA total electorate for a minimal good margin or measure. That means changing up to 400,000 voters to the other side in PA. That's five percent of the PA total electorate. The mountain here is high.

PA has not voted R for Potus since 1988. When Bill Clinton in 1992 started PA on its current Blue state status, he got 50.6% of the state's vote. Barack Obama in 2012 got 52.0%. This not only is a trend, it is a significant and sustained trend.

The numbers cited in MA don't support a voter reversal in MA. Nor do they suggest a voter revrsal PA. Even if the reversal data of today might be a trend in this election, it is a small and electorally insignificant development. The Trump fanboyz need to recognise Trump or any wildman candidate like him repells the vast moderate and centrist mass of voters who are the middle and who when they are in an unusually broad agreement will blow your guy out.

Many Republicans recognise this. It's the far right that is out there about it; the farther out right fails to recognise it and the fringe wingnuts miss it completely. Think Sen Barry Goldwater in 1964 cause reality is, well, real. Always has been.

Lotta intelligent people in and emergine from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if I don't mind saying so myself. Taking the one page from your book about it that isn't wrong wrong wrong that's all.

cheesy.gif

Kindly indulge my posting after my own post to bring youse guyz up to date and so youse can keep up. This is my governor back home and for whom I wuz pleased to vote in 2014 (by certified mail and ballot from here, as per usual in an election back there in my state) :

Charlie Baker won’t vote for Donald Trump in November

Boston Globe Staff

March 02, 2016

Massachusetts Republican Governor Charlie Baker, after months of edging away from his party’s presidential front-runner, took his firmest stance yet against Donald J. Trump Wednesday, saying, “I’m not going to vote for him in November.”

The governor’s statement comes after months of declining to say if he would vote for Trump, should he be the GOP presidential nominee, and amid the tumultuous reckoning Republican officials across the country face as they figure out how to deal with the political rise of the reality television star.

Growing numbers of party elders, including US Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and former US House majority leader Tom DeLay, have said they would not support Trump if he is the nominee. Former governor Mitt Romney, the party’s 2012 nominee, who has called Trump’s remarks on white supremacy groups “disqualifying,” is scheduled to discuss the race on Thursday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/02/charlie-baker-won-vote-for-trump-november/PxZyCgPp3hvZb5MfQSjt7K/story.html

My good guy governor for whom I voted and have only the most rewarding returns. (I voted for Mitt's opponent loser back in the 2002 race for MA governor. But then again Romneycare-Obamacare originated with the then Gov. Romney during his one and only term.)

Do try to keep up plse thx.

Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

Posted

Now this is interesting. I never knew there were 20,000 intelligent individuals that had ever come out of MA.

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Many Mass. Democrats Switched To Republican Party Ahead Of Super Tuesday
March 1, 2016 11:10 AM By Carl Stevens
BOSTON (CBS) — Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin told WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens that he’s seen a lot of the state’s registered Democrats leave the party and become unenrolled ahead of the Super Tuesday primary–and that some voters had gone even further.
“In fact, we’ve seen a significant number of people leaving the Democratic party and joining the Republican party,” said Galvin.
Galvin said he is predicting a big Republican turnout at the polls Tuesday.

cheesy.gif

Forget it.

This is what I wrote yesterday to NS at another thread about Trump in a poll and second place when NS made the same similar and like post there as you have done here....do try to keep up plse thx.

Massachusetts Vote Potus 2012

Obama 1.9 million votes = 61%

Romney 1.1 million votes = 38%

Trump needs a complete turnaround of one million votes in Massachusetts in November to win the solid Blue state. That would mean one-third of the total Massachusetts electorate switching over to the enemy. Lemme say it again, Forget It.

Same for the other solid Blue states and Blue leaning states.

Pennsylvania for instance (strongly) leans Blue. Here's the 2012 PA Potus election result:

Obama 2.9 million votes = 52%

Romney 2.6 million votes = 47%.

In PA Trump in November (or any R for Potus) needs to swing 300,000 votes to the R and add another one percent of the PA total electorate for a minimal good margin or measure. That means changing up to 400,000 voters to the other side in PA. That's five percent of the PA total electorate. The mountain here is high.

PA has not voted R for Potus since 1988. When Bill Clinton in 1992 started PA on its current Blue state status, he got 50.6% of the state's vote. Barack Obama in 2012 got 52.0%. This not only is a trend, it is a significant and sustained trend.

The numbers cited in MA don't support a voter reversal in MA. Nor do they suggest a voter revrsal PA. Even if the reversal data of today might be a trend in this election, it is a small and electorally insignificant development. The Trump fanboyz need to recognise Trump or any wildman candidate like him repells the vast moderate and centrist mass of voters who are the middle and who when they are in an unusually broad agreement will blow your guy out.

Many Republicans recognise this. It's the far right that is out there about it; the farther out right fails to recognise it and the fringe wingnuts miss it completely. Think Sen Barry Goldwater in 1964 cause reality is, well, real. Always has been.

Lotta intelligent people in and emergine from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if I don't mind saying so myself. Taking the one page from your book about it that isn't wrong wrong wrong that's all.

cheesy.gif

Kindly indulge my posting after my own post to bring youse guyz up to date and so youse can keep up. This is my governor back home and for whom I wuz pleased to vote in 2014 (by certified mail and ballot from here, as per usual in an election back there in my state) :

Charlie Baker won’t vote for Donald Trump in November

Boston Globe Staff

March 02, 2016

Massachusetts Republican Governor Charlie Baker, after months of edging away from his party’s presidential front-runner, took his firmest stance yet against Donald J. Trump Wednesday, saying, “I’m not going to vote for him in November.”

The governor’s statement comes after months of declining to say if he would vote for Trump, should he be the GOP presidential nominee, and amid the tumultuous reckoning Republican officials across the country face as they figure out how to deal with the political rise of the reality television star.

Growing numbers of party elders, including US Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and former US House majority leader Tom DeLay, have said they would not support Trump if he is the nominee. Former governor Mitt Romney, the party’s 2012 nominee, who has called Trump’s remarks on white supremacy groups “disqualifying,” is scheduled to discuss the race on Thursday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/02/charlie-baker-won-vote-for-trump-november/PxZyCgPp3hvZb5MfQSjt7K/story.html

My good guy governor for whom I voted and have only the most rewarding returns. (I voted for Mitt's opponent loser back in the 2002 race for MA governor. But then again Romneycare-Obamacare originated with the then Gov. Romney during his one and only term.)

Do try to keep up plse thx.

Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

@ Linzz:

Thanks for quoting that last post of Publicus. I have him on ignore so I don't have to wade through his rudimentary messages.

I do have one comment to make on it though.

How in the world can he possibly believe I give one hoot in hell about who the governor of MA supports? (rhetorical question}

No Republican will carry MA, even with the 20,000 defections.

Posted

Now this is interesting. I never knew there were 20,000 intelligent individuals that had ever come out of MA.

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Many Mass. Democrats Switched To Republican Party Ahead Of Super Tuesday
March 1, 2016 11:10 AM By Carl Stevens
BOSTON (CBS) — Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin told WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens that he’s seen a lot of the state’s registered Democrats leave the party and become unenrolled ahead of the Super Tuesday primary–and that some voters had gone even further.
“In fact, we’ve seen a significant number of people leaving the Democratic party and joining the Republican party,” said Galvin.
Galvin said he is predicting a big Republican turnout at the polls Tuesday.

cheesy.gif

Forget it.

This is what I wrote yesterday to NS at another thread about Trump in a poll and second place when NS made the same similar and like post there as you have done here....do try to keep up plse thx.

Massachusetts Vote Potus 2012

Obama 1.9 million votes = 61%

Romney 1.1 million votes = 38%

Trump needs a complete turnaround of one million votes in Massachusetts in November to win the solid Blue state. That would mean one-third of the total Massachusetts electorate switching over to the enemy. Lemme say it again, Forget It.

Same for the other solid Blue states and Blue leaning states.

Pennsylvania for instance (strongly) leans Blue. Here's the 2012 PA Potus election result:

Obama 2.9 million votes = 52%

Romney 2.6 million votes = 47%.

In PA Trump in November (or any R for Potus) needs to swing 300,000 votes to the R and add another one percent of the PA total electorate for a minimal good margin or measure. That means changing up to 400,000 voters to the other side in PA. That's five percent of the PA total electorate. The mountain here is high.

PA has not voted R for Potus since 1988. When Bill Clinton in 1992 started PA on its current Blue state status, he got 50.6% of the state's vote. Barack Obama in 2012 got 52.0%. This not only is a trend, it is a significant and sustained trend.

The numbers cited in MA don't support a voter reversal in MA. Nor do they suggest a voter revrsal PA. Even if the reversal data of today might be a trend in this election, it is a small and electorally insignificant development. The Trump fanboyz need to recognise Trump or any wildman candidate like him repells the vast moderate and centrist mass of voters who are the middle and who when they are in an unusually broad agreement will blow your guy out.

Many Republicans recognise this. It's the far right that is out there about it; the farther out right fails to recognise it and the fringe wingnuts miss it completely. Think Sen Barry Goldwater in 1964 cause reality is, well, real. Always has been.

Lotta intelligent people in and emergine from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if I don't mind saying so myself. Taking the one page from your book about it that isn't wrong wrong wrong that's all.

cheesy.gif

Kindly indulge my posting after my own post to bring youse guyz up to date and so youse can keep up. This is my governor back home and for whom I wuz pleased to vote in 2014 (by certified mail and ballot from here, as per usual in an election back there in my state) :

Charlie Baker won’t vote for Donald Trump in November

Boston Globe Staff

March 02, 2016

Massachusetts Republican Governor Charlie Baker, after months of edging away from his party’s presidential front-runner, took his firmest stance yet against Donald J. Trump Wednesday, saying, “I’m not going to vote for him in November.”

The governor’s statement comes after months of declining to say if he would vote for Trump, should he be the GOP presidential nominee, and amid the tumultuous reckoning Republican officials across the country face as they figure out how to deal with the political rise of the reality television star.

Growing numbers of party elders, including US Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and former US House majority leader Tom DeLay, have said they would not support Trump if he is the nominee. Former governor Mitt Romney, the party’s 2012 nominee, who has called Trump’s remarks on white supremacy groups “disqualifying,” is scheduled to discuss the race on Thursday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/02/charlie-baker-won-vote-for-trump-november/PxZyCgPp3hvZb5MfQSjt7K/story.html

My good guy governor for whom I voted and have only the most rewarding returns. (I voted for Mitt's opponent loser back in the 2002 race for MA governor. But then again Romneycare-Obamacare originated with the then Gov. Romney during his one and only term.)

Do try to keep up plse thx.

Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

Must be the moon's gravitational pull or something similar.

The post you don't address was my reply to the poster chuckd about the Republican governor of Massachusetts saying after Super Tuesday he will not vote for Trump in November (if Trump is the nominee which seems likely). Read the above interaction of posts if you don't believe me.

So your reply and the reply of checkd immediately above seem oblivious. Well, they are oblivious.

Do try to keep up plse thx. Both of youse guyz. And most of the rest too.

Thx.

Posted

How in hell can anybody with more than one working brain cell support a fascist like Strumpf? Oh wait, there were a few, not enough though without the NOT-supreme court and later lies and voting fraud in Ohio to put the idiot back in office. Frankly I'm not sure enough Dem's and independents will vote for Hillary even with the impending doom of what is left of America and the world hanging in the balance. Only a fool would vote for Strumpf and I'm damn sure not one. I may be crazy, but my momma didn't raise no fool!

If Democrat party put Bernie up, he would likely steal a lot of current Trump supporters

Many of his supporters are just fed up with the current way things are ...

Both Trump and Bernie agree on the problems but just disagree on the solution

Hillary doesn't believe there is any problem with politics as usual--- so how can she get any of those votes?

Trump says he wants to make America great again-- Hillary says American never stopped being great -- everything good to go, no need for any changes here..

Still hope Hillary gets indicted and the Dem super delegates all go with Bernie and he ends up with Dem nomination..

But that's just dreamland stuff... The Democrat power elite and their big business backers and Obama's justice department would not let that happen...

Especially now that looks like Trump will be Republican nominee ...

Hillary is now the Great Corporate hope!!

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Now this is interesting. I never knew there were 20,000 intelligent individuals that had ever come out of MA.

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Many Mass. Democrats Switched To Republican Party Ahead Of Super Tuesday
March 1, 2016 11:10 AM By Carl Stevens
BOSTON (CBS) — Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin told WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens that he’s seen a lot of the state’s registered Democrats leave the party and become unenrolled ahead of the Super Tuesday primary–and that some voters had gone even further.
“In fact, we’ve seen a significant number of people leaving the Democratic party and joining the Republican party,” said Galvin.
Galvin said he is predicting a big Republican turnout at the polls Tuesday.

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Forget it.

This is what I wrote yesterday to NS at another thread about Trump in a poll and second place when NS made the same similar and like post there as you have done here....do try to keep up plse thx.

Massachusetts Vote Potus 2012

Obama 1.9 million votes = 61%

Romney 1.1 million votes = 38%

Trump needs a complete turnaround of one million votes in Massachusetts in November to win the solid Blue state. That would mean one-third of the total Massachusetts electorate switching over to the enemy. Lemme say it again, Forget It.

Same for the other solid Blue states and Blue leaning states.

Pennsylvania for instance (strongly) leans Blue. Here's the 2012 PA Potus election result:

Obama 2.9 million votes = 52%

Romney 2.6 million votes = 47%.

In PA Trump in November (or any R for Potus) needs to swing 300,000 votes to the R and add another one percent of the PA total electorate for a minimal good margin or measure. That means changing up to 400,000 voters to the other side in PA. That's five percent of the PA total electorate. The mountain here is high.

PA has not voted R for Potus since 1988. When Bill Clinton in 1992 started PA on its current Blue state status, he got 50.6% of the state's vote. Barack Obama in 2012 got 52.0%. This not only is a trend, it is a significant and sustained trend.

The numbers cited in MA don't support a voter reversal in MA. Nor do they suggest a voter revrsal PA. Even if the reversal data of today might be a trend in this election, it is a small and electorally insignificant development. The Trump fanboyz need to recognise Trump or any wildman candidate like him repells the vast moderate and centrist mass of voters who are the middle and who when they are in an unusually broad agreement will blow your guy out.

Many Republicans recognise this. It's the far right that is out there about it; the farther out right fails to recognise it and the fringe wingnuts miss it completely. Think Sen Barry Goldwater in 1964 cause reality is, well, real. Always has been.

Lotta intelligent people in and emergine from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if I don't mind saying so myself. Taking the one page from your book about it that isn't wrong wrong wrong that's all.

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Kindly indulge my posting after my own post to bring youse guyz up to date and so youse can keep up. This is my governor back home and for whom I wuz pleased to vote in 2014 (by certified mail and ballot from here, as per usual in an election back there in my state) :

Charlie Baker won’t vote for Donald Trump in November

Boston Globe Staff

March 02, 2016

Massachusetts Republican Governor Charlie Baker, after months of edging away from his party’s presidential front-runner, took his firmest stance yet against Donald J. Trump Wednesday, saying, “I’m not going to vote for him in November.”

The governor’s statement comes after months of declining to say if he would vote for Trump, should he be the GOP presidential nominee, and amid the tumultuous reckoning Republican officials across the country face as they figure out how to deal with the political rise of the reality television star.

Growing numbers of party elders, including US Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska and former US House majority leader Tom DeLay, have said they would not support Trump if he is the nominee. Former governor Mitt Romney, the party’s 2012 nominee, who has called Trump’s remarks on white supremacy groups “disqualifying,” is scheduled to discuss the race on Thursday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/02/charlie-baker-won-vote-for-trump-november/PxZyCgPp3hvZb5MfQSjt7K/story.html

My good guy governor for whom I voted and have only the most rewarding returns. (I voted for Mitt's opponent loser back in the 2002 race for MA governor. But then again Romneycare-Obamacare originated with the then Gov. Romney during his one and only term.)

Do try to keep up plse thx.

Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

Must be the moon's gravitational pull or something similar.

The post you don't address was my reply to the poster chuckd about the Republican governor of Massachusetts saying after Super Tuesday he will not vote for Trump in November (if Trump is the nominee which seems likely). Read the above interaction of posts if you don't believe me.

So your reply and the reply of checkd immediately above seem oblivious. Well, they are oblivious.

Do try to keep up plse thx. Both of youse guyz. And most of the rest too.

Thx.

The moon's gravitational pull has often been linked to lunacy so you illustrated my point very well.

Seems I need to say it again since it got missed because some are "oblivious" to any sense of self assessment when it comes to usual nonsensical and tedious ramblings.

The "do try to keep up thx" refrain is empty and hollow because it indulges in provocative condescension. This trait is so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority and is well exemplified by a couple of TVF members.

Let it sink in "pls thx"

Some appear to have a strange vision of their own self importance that think they're so out in front that we "and most of the rest" have to keep up with them "thx", hell and at the same time criticize Trump! Thing is he can get away with it but can you? It's best not to try to criticize and emulate him at the same time, it's weird. Thx

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Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

Pardon me, but I'm on the left and I can't help have a sense of moral superiority. Here are some reasons I feel morally superior to the average Republican:

>>> I don't shoot birds or animals

>>> I respect a woman's decision to deal with her reproductive functions, rather than Republicans wanting to legislate exactly what she can and cannot do

>>> I believe in science, and respect scientists

>>> I believe the Earth is about 5 billions years old, that life started about 3.5 billion years ago, and that humans share 28% of their genes with grapefruit and 98% with bonobos

>>> I don't lurk around airport bathrooms hoping to get someone's dick in my mouth, like a Republican Senator was caught doing.

>>> I encourage the kids I influence to open their minds to possibilities beyond being cheerleaders or American football linemen.

>>> I don't worship money and have zero debt.

>>> I accept people for who they are, not judge them harshly for the social category they represent.

>>> I don't respect rich people any more than I respect poor people.

>>> I don't take a poor Burmese sex worker to visit churches in the US - in order to make a lot of money in donations. True story, plus the preachers didn't pay the girl or her family anything, even tho they promised they would send money to her family in Burma. The fact that the preacher repeatedly tried to have sex with the girl is part of the equation. When the girl complained to the preacher's wife, the wife berated the girl for telling lies.

>>> I don't beat kids. Every right wing friend of mine has stories of their parents beating them. That's about 17 out of 17. No exceptions.

Hillary doesn't believe there is any problem with politics as usual--- so how can she get any of those votes?

Trump says he wants to make America great again-- Hillary says American never stopped being great -- everything good to go, no need for any changes here..

Still hope Hillary gets indicted and the Dem super delegates all go with Bernie and he ends up with Dem nomination..

But that's just dreamland stuff... The Democrat power elite and their big business backers and Obama's justice department would not let that happen...

Especially now that looks like Trump will be Republican nominee ...

Hillary is now the Great Corporate hope!!

The things you say about Hillary are just patently untrue. You can say she has 3 arms and eats slugs, but that would be untrue also. Listen to one of her speeches, and if you're a bit objective, you'll get an idea of what she proposes for Americans for the next 9 years and beyond. If she gets in, which I think she will, she'll likely be a 2 termer.

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Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

Pardon me, but I'm on the left and I can't help have a sense of moral superiority. Here are some reasons I feel morally superior to the average Republican:

>>> I don't shoot birds or animals

>>> I respect a woman's decision to deal with her reproductive functions, rather than Republicans wanting to legislate exactly what she can and cannot do

>>> I believe in science, and respect scientists

>>> I believe the Earth is about 5 billions years old, that life started about 3.5 billion years ago, and that humans share 28% of their genes with grapefruit and 98% with bonobos

>>> I don't lurk around airport bathrooms hoping to get someone's dick in my mouth, like a Republican Senator was caught doing.

>>> I encourage the kids I influence to open their minds to possibilities beyond being cheerleaders or American football linemen.

>>> I don't worship money and have zero debt.

>>> I accept people for who they are, not judge them harshly for the social category they represent.

>>> I don't respect rich people any more than I respect poor people.

>>> I don't take a poor Burmese sex worker to visit churches in the US - in order to make a lot of money in donations. True story, plus the preachers didn't pay the girl or her family anything, even tho they promised they would send money to her family in Burma. The fact that the preacher repeatedly tried to have sex with the girl is part of the equation. When the girl complained to the preacher's wife, the wife berated the girl for telling lies.

>>> I don't beat kids. Every right wing friend of mine has stories of their parents beating them. That's about 17 out of 17. No exceptions.

Hillary doesn't believe there is any problem with politics as usual--- so how can she get any of those votes?

Trump says he wants to make America great again-- Hillary says American never stopped being great -- everything good to go, no need for any changes here..

Still hope Hillary gets indicted and the Dem super delegates all go with Bernie and he ends up with Dem nomination..

But that's just dreamland stuff... The Democrat power elite and their big business backers and Obama's justice department would not let that happen...

Especially now that looks like Trump will be Republican nominee ...

Hillary is now the Great Corporate hope!!

The things you say about Hillary are just patently untrue. You can say she has 3 arms and eats slugs, but that would be untrue also. Listen to one of her speeches, and if you're a bit objective, you'll get an idea of what she proposes for Americans for the next 9 years and beyond. If she gets in, which I think she will, she'll likely be a 2 termer.

Thanks Boomer but I am not an American so I will leave it to someone else to make a list of obnoxious things Democrats have gotten up to if they can be bothered. As for Hillary she's been Secretary of State for long enough to address the problems she already speaks about and nothing seems to have changed under her watch so if you're right then it's more of the same. The discontent in America today is the reason why Trump is doing so well and that has shocked the Republican establishment as well as the Democrats, even Trump himself. I can only lay the reason for that at the door of the present Democratic government. What else can it be? Why do YOU think Trump has been so popular at this juncture in history?

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Since I am not an american I am neither for Republicans or Democrats. But I am for democracy. Here is something interesting and it's certainly not democratic.

As Stalin said once along the lines of : "It's not the voters who decide anything, it's those who count the votes who decide everything"

If this is true it is shame on the Republicans and also on the Democrat supporters on this forum that support those Republicans who want to manipulate democracy to deprive Trump's delegates and thus candidacy .

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/austin-radio-station-flooded-with-reports-of-voting-machines-switching-votes-from-trump-to-rubio/

Austin radio station flooded with reports of voting machines switching votes from Trump to Rubio

If this becomes widespread it could cause a meltdown and a collapse in government

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That would be bad if is true.. But I do wonder why they did not immediately call over one of the polling station workers and make a formal complaint?

I know I would have if the machine changed my vote.. I would also take pictures with my phone as well..

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Ignore my above comments...

I listed end to the clip and in each case, the voter saw the mistake before confirming their vote.. Went back and corrected it , so in the end they were able to vote for who they wanted to..

And they also called over some one from the polling station to advise them of the problem

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Thanks for quoting that last post of Publicus. I have him on ignore so I don't have to wade through his rudimentary messages.

Really? You are missing out on some very illogical spin. I don't think his posts are convincing anybody.

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After Tuesdays results, it seem clear what common sense Republicans need to do; Vote for the person most likely to win the primary over Trump. In Florida, Senator Cruz and Governor Kasich voters should vote for Senator Rubio. In Ohio, they should all vote for Governor Kasich. And continue with this strategy throughout the remainder of the primaries. This will stop Trump from amassing 1,237 delegates and allow a chance for sanity to prevail at the convention.

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After Tuesdays results, it seem clear what common sense Republicans need to do; Vote for the person most likely to win the primary over Trump. In Florida, Senator Cruz and Governor Kasich voters should vote for Senator Rubio. In Ohio, they should all vote for Governor Kasich. And continue with this strategy throughout the remainder of the primaries. This will stop Trump from amassing 1,237 delegates and allow a chance for sanity to prevail at the convention.

I don't understand why voters that are so obviously loyal to one party only care who the candidate for the other party is? Your superior candidate with the best ideas and highest integrity and sterling track record will surely win the election, right?

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It's still not over, you can vote for Sanders if you want.

Democrats can still vote here in Thailand either today or tomorrow at actual polling stations set up in Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Chiang Mai, and Pattaya,

Considered 51st state in Primary

Democrats abroad - delegates in the primary

http://www.democratsabroad.org/rdwhelan/vote_in_the_presidential_democratic_primary_all_around_thailand_from_march_2nd_5th

Polling station in Bangkok-

March 5, from 11 am to 6:30 pm – Roadhouse Barbecue, 942/1 Rama IV Road, Surawongse, Bang Rak, Bangkok 10500

Posted

After Tuesdays results, it seem clear what common sense Republicans need to do; Vote for the person most likely to win the primary over Trump. In Florida, Senator Cruz and Governor Kasich voters should vote for Senator Rubio. In Ohio, they should all vote for Governor Kasich. And continue with this strategy throughout the remainder of the primaries. This will stop Trump from amassing 1,237 delegates and allow a chance for sanity to prevail at the convention.

I don't understand why voters that are so obviously loyal to one party only care who the candidate for the other party is? Your superior candidate with the best ideas and highest integrity and sterling track record will surely win the election, right?

Missing a lot there about democracy, its politics, electorate, Citizens United and Scotus, the impact on an election of the dynamics between two candidates vying for the same office and a multiplicity of other matters, not to mention my primary school Grade 5 teacher who during civics time in class said that in a democracy the majority isn't always right.

Primary school for me wuz a hundred years ago.

Do try to keep up plse thx. smile.png

(P.S. Ought not to let any single thing or person get to ya, to drive ya up a wall, especially so obviously and for all to see. Btw, have any kind of political campaign experience? Like, real world stuff??)

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Do try to keep up thx refrain is so empty in it's provocative condescension so typical of the left being intoxicated by it's self congratulatory sense of moral superiority. Problem is they know nothing of economics which underpins every human activity on earth and governs every unavoidable cycle which politicians esecially from the left think they can control.So many words that sound authoritative in their detail but so blind to the underlying forces that shape and will shape the world presently and into the future.Too bad but hot air always cools.

@ Linzz:

Thanks for quoting that last post of Publicus. I have him on ignore so I don't have to wade through his rudimentary messages.

I do have one comment to make on it though.

How in the world can he possibly believe I give one hoot in hell about who the governor of MA supports? (rhetorical question}

No Republican will carry MA, even with the 20,000 defections.

Thanks for quoting that last post of Publicus. I have him on ignore

Flattery will get the person everywhere!

No Republican will carry MA, even with the 20,000 defections.

I see you read my post after your having commented on voters in Massachusetts and I mentioned the Republican governor announcing Wednesday he will not vote for Trump in November (and for whom I wuz pleased to vote in 2014 from here.) Good guy my Republican governor, tho I did not vote Romney for guv in 2002.

1964 was a dreadful year for the Republican party as I remember it well. It was when Barry Goldwater and his rightists seized control of the nomination then got wiped out in the general election. Half the party bailed on AuH2O as he wuz also called, which left Goldyadawn with a mere 38.5 percent of the popular vote and scant Electoral College votes.

That one was a comparative walk in the park for the Republican party in contrast to the stink and the knife fights presently going on in the Gone Old Party as a true whackjob extremist who quotes Benito Mussollini schemes to seize the party's nomination for Potus. Compared to 1964, this one is going to make Goldwater's electoral slaughter look close.

(Strange btw to communicate with someone who put me on ignore using the good offices of a third party that doesn't actually have any offices to speak of.)

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After Tuesdays results, it seem clear what common sense Republicans need to do; Vote for the person most likely to win the primary over Trump. In Florida, Senator Cruz and Governor Kasich voters should vote for Senator Rubio. In Ohio, they should all vote for Governor Kasich. And continue with this strategy throughout the remainder of the primaries. This will stop Trump from amassing 1,237 delegates and allow a chance for sanity to prevail at the convention.

I don't understand why voters that are so obviously loyal to one party only care who the candidate for the other party is? Your superior candidate with the best ideas and highest integrity and sterling track record will surely win the election, right?

Missing a lot there about democracy, its politics, electorate, Citizens United and Scotus, the impact on an election of the dynamics between two candidates vying for the same office and a multiplicity of other matters, not to mention my primary school Grade 5 teacher who during civics time in class said that in a democracy the majority isn't always right.

Primary school for me wuz a hundred years ago.

Do try to keep up plse thx. smile.png

(P.S. Ought not to let any single thing or person get to ya, to drive ya up a wall, especially so obviously and for all to see. Btw, have any kind of political campaign experience? Like, real world stuff??)

Yeah, but this is the primaries. We're nowhere's near the general election.

PS: I have phone banked for a candidate I favor, donated funds and this year I will participate in both the caucuses AND the primary held in my state.

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Thanks Boomer but I am not an American so I will leave it to someone else to make a list of obnoxious things Democrats have gotten up to if they can be bothered. As for Hillary she's been Secretary of State for long enough to address the problems she already speaks about and nothing seems to have changed under her watch so if you're right then it's more of the same.

Democratic politicians aren't perfect but they've put forth some decent legislation over the years. They know how to get bills passed, which is something Trump can't be bothered with. Trump doesn't want to work withing governmental and Constitutional mandates ("delay, delay, delay"). Trump wants to rule by FIAT. In other words, he will put on steel toed boots and walk all over government checks and balances, because he knows what's best for everyone, so why wait to go through due process? Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State in the Obama administration. Before that, she was a NY state representative. She was active in both jobs and did rather well. In contrast, her Republican associates just drag their feet on everything, while trying to find fault constantly, even resorting to immature name calling.

If Republicans don't like 'Obamacare' (which is nearly identical to Romney's earlier plan) let's see what they propose. The reason Republicans don't propose anything approaching universal health care is basically: All Republican congressmen are rich and they figure: if you can't afford to pay for your own medical care, then (as Trump would say) "you're a loser."

The discontent in America today is the reason why Trump is doing so well and that has shocked the Republican establishment as well as the Democrats, even Trump himself. I can only lay the reason for that at the door of the present Democratic government. What else can it be? Why do YOU think Trump has been so popular at this juncture in history?

You not being American, and not closely watching Congressional activities - shows in your naivite. The main reason Americans are not happy with Congresspeople is because Congressmen get salaries while doing little. Who are styming congressional advancements? Answer: The Republicans in Congress.

Don't expect the average Republican voter to fathom that it's their own Republican senators who are dragging their feet. It's also their elected Republicans who are enlarging government's role, rather than lessening it. Who is it who wants the government controlling how American women deal with unwanted pregnancies? It's Republicans - purportedly the party which wants less government.

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