Trump's path to victory: Both parties' working-class whites

[Scotwight]

Go Donald, play that wild card and make it a TRUMP.

Trump refers to the suit that is elevated above the others as a result of winning the bid. There are no wild cards in bridge. I know because I learned how to play bridge in the Pattaya jail.

[Publicus]

I wonder how many brain-dead "bolsheviks" will vote for unscrupulous Clinton selling smooth lies?

Trump shall be victorious !

Out march the brown shirts for Trump.

Two can play this game eh.

[Publicus]

I'd have never said it myself, but since you did, then yes, I guess I do feel both a moral and philosophical superiority to you. But, as you say, " carry on".

I'd have never said it myself,

Hmm, you might want to reread your posts a bit there.

In fact, quite a bit.

Past, present, future....

It's an old truth there are a lot of different ways to say the same thing.

Indeed.

You know you want to support Bernie but you're such a party hack all you can think about is winning. C'mon, make your sainted mother proud and do the right thing. Vote for Bernie

Next you'll be soliciting a donation I suppose. If you do I'll refer you to Keemapoot Esq. cause he knows how to handle political hacks whether they have a party or not, or whether they're progressive or conservative hard core rightists.

Just say no something good about Hillary or something significantly critical of Trump and all can be well again....either or can't be too much for ya...can it?

Also tell chuckie to click on the website I provided to you waay back when in response to your inquiry into the qualities of HRC, which you also apparently missed....so here it is yet again yet again....and yet again

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

You and 131 have a good one now okay...

[smartpant]

if you want death to America, vote Hillary...

I think you American guys you don't need to come back to your banana Republic. I don't think the USA will exist anymore with Hillary. it s all planed to give all power to Chinese. Kim will destroy the west coast before the big one happen.

this is what you wanted. suck it now.

vote Trump.

[chuckd]

He will win the general election in November

MARK MY WORDS

I'll mark your words, but you'll be wrong - similar to the crowd who was sure Romney would win 4 years ago, and some of the same folks are posting herein, 4 years later, thinking Trump has it wrapped up. Yes, there's a redneck contingent in American, but they ain't a majority by any means. There are much greater numbers of voters who are reasonable, and they will sway the vote for the Dem candidate. The margin will be greater than Romney's defeat. Mark my words.

@ lannarebirth: Notice he (Publicus) didn't answer the part asking all the great things about Hillary? Typical deflection.

I can't speak for Publicus. Also, it doesn't have to be a matter of one candidate being great at all things, and the opposing candidate is bad at all things.

I can, however, say Hillary would make a much better president than Trump - some of the reasons, below.

Hillary Rodham Clinton. . . .

>> is thoughtful, whereas Trump is impulsive,

>> knows her way around the halls of power, whereas Trump is like a bull in a China shop,

>> is friendly with many world leaders. Trump knows few and alienates more than he gains trust with. He can't even get along with the Pope for Krissaches,

>> knows the power of the US armed forces and will act responsibly. Both will seek advice from experts, but Trump is likely to fly off the handle with his anger and impulsiveness,

>> is mature. Trump is immature to the 10th degree, easily and quickly resorting to peurile name-calling, taunting, references to how big his dick is, etc.

>> is not a braggart. Trump is a braggart and never misses a chance to say he's "worth many, many billions of dollars." (actual quote). In reality, he's worth tens, perhaps hundreds of millions. His hyper-inflated self-praising numbers are due to his (no one else's) estimate of the hyped values of his Trump brands, some of which have gone belly-up and worth nothing,

>> will try to destroy ISIS. Trump will increase ISIS's strength by giving ISIS recruitment much ammunition. Their numbers (and donations) will increase dramatically if Trump is Prez,

>> sticks to her policy statements. Trump flip flops day to day. His handlers are forever having to tell him what he said wrong,

>> cares about disadvantaged. Trump thinks their 'LOSERS.' He even mocked a spastic handicapped man. It's on video,

>> knows how government works. Trump doesn't. He'll be learning on the job, making mistakes daily.

. . . . . . . . . . . . ......and even with all that, I'm hoping Bernie goes all the way.

You forgot she likes puppies,kittens and her favorite color is pink.

What a colossal load of BS. Is that a serious answer or are you just pulling our collective legs?

Now may I suggest you regroup, collect your thought processes and try to tell us what she has actually accomplished on her own during her lifetime.

The only thing she has ever accomplished in her lifetime is marrying Bill Clinton. If she had not married above her station she would be a dowdy old grandmother married to some retired insurance salesman.

Maybe Pinot and Publicus can help you come up with her accomplishments. Citing her campaign link won't cut it.

[Linzz]

Tell me what's so great about the candidate you've dedicated your life to sponsor.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

Dedicated my life is a big opening dude

Let's narrow it significantly....

My first vote for Potus was Hubert H. Humphrey. Then came George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, John B. Anderson a Republican, Walter Mondale who made it tough to vote for as he wore Thom McAn shoes; Michael Dukakis my governor, Bill Clinton twice, Al Gore (once, unlike the Scotus each of which justice got to vote twice), John Kerry my US senator, Barry twice.

Coming soon Hillary Rodham Clinton who is another in a long line of persons for whom I vote for Potus and for other offices thx.

So now tell us more about the candidates on the right that he conservative hard right likes so much it hasn't ever criticised in significant or substantial terms. Hey, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

Message to Publicus:

You have suggested that I am a Rightwingnutjob because I oppose the corruption of corporate interests puppet Hillary Clinton. Well I listened to Bernie Sanders yesterday and was impressed with his proposal to make Wall Street pay for the restoration of services to middle America and give back their bailouts. If I could vote (and I can't because I am not American) I would vote for him even though I am not a socialist. This is contrary to your self acclaimed analysis (based on your self assessed studies of social and political science) that you know where my political affinities sit. Wrong again because I am a swing voter and always have been in my own country. I am not and never have been sold out to left or right or been partisan in any way because I prefer to keep both eyes open and not close one since it makes me half blind. It is also good to not form conclusions to fit a predetermined bias like you are prone to do on a daily basis.

Does support of Sanders now make me a Leftwingnutjob like you? No because I still would support Trump for the same reasons of not being obligated to donor masters. However he is a wildcard and his hubris counts against him although I do think this marketing will wear off if he reaches office. He is still more capable of changing his position if he is wrong than Hillary can ever do because she is answerable to special interest groups so can never change or admit to being wrong. Trump is independent of that. Sanders also is free to reinstate Glass Steagall which Hillary's husband helped repeal. Financial reform is limited with Hillary, her hands are tied on that. Banks are meant to manage people's money conservatively not conduct high risk ventures with it. Has anyone been jailed for huge losses that taxpayers were forced to bail out? No.Glass Steagall would have limited that risk. Hillary speaks for Goldman Sachs and her speeches she will not release. They are currently are up for $5 billion in penalties and settlements.

Sorry I would rather trust Trump than Hillary, but for the record I prefer Sanders.

[Linzz]

As a non American looking in I am amazed at how the selection of a nominated runner for a party is run. It is organized and controlled by the media. It is a huge business run by them and generates billions of dollars. Even though I have read that only 50% of the people vote TV channels virtually run 24 hour coverage of the race ( I only receive CNN and BBC). At least the Democrat debates have had some substance while the Republican debates should not even be called debates. The American political system should be scrapped and a whole new system should be devised before they talk themselves into becoming a has been nation.

You are an astute observer. Ignore the rantings of the candidates, but DO pay attention to how the media pundits tell you to think. Yes, most of them are on the payroll of one candidate or another, but pay that no never mind.

Huh? You mean I should be paying attention to what Fox New's media pundits tell me to think? Uh oh.

The American political system will work just fine in the end. This cycle we have a bit of an outlier with the self-distruction of the Republican party. It will make for spectacular TV and America will be stronger and better after the wingnuts are disarmed.

What a foolish post Pinot. You think America will be stronger with the breakup of the GOP? How much do you really know about the tradition of parliamentary democracies around the world? Not much it looks. With a strong opposition you have a strong government. Otherwise there are no checks and balances and no constraint on the excesses of a ruling party. So you sit back in front of your television and celebrate the demise of the R party and bless America as a one party state! Amazing.

It looks like you are a Democrat because your daddy was a Democrat because his daddy was a Democrat..........that is just reflex voting without engaging brain.

[boomerangutang]

He will win the general election in November

MARK MY WORDS

I'll mark your words, but you'll be wrong - similar to the crowd who was sure Romney would win 4 years ago, and some of the same folks are posting herein, 4 years later, thinking Trump has it wrapped up. Yes, there's a redneck contingent in American, but they ain't a majority by any means. There are much greater numbers of voters who are reasonable, and they will sway the vote for the Dem candidate. The margin will be greater than Romney's defeat. Mark my words.

@ lannarebirth: Notice he (Publicus) didn't answer the part asking all the great things about Hillary? Typical deflection.

I can't speak for Publicus. Also, it doesn't have to be a matter of one candidate being great at all things, and the opposing candidate is bad at all things.

I can, however, say Hillary would make a much better president than Trump - some of the reasons, below.

Hillary Rodham Clinton. . . .

>> is thoughtful, whereas Trump is impulsive,

>> knows her way around the halls of power, whereas Trump is like a bull in a China shop,

>> is friendly with many world leaders. Trump knows few and alienates more than he gains trust with. He can't even get along with the Pope for Krissaches,

>> knows the power of the US armed forces and will act responsibly. Both will seek advice from experts, but Trump is likely to fly off the handle with his anger and impulsiveness,

>> is mature. Trump is immature to the 10th degree, easily and quickly resorting to peurile name-calling, taunting, references to how big his dick is, etc.

>> is not a braggart. Trump is a braggart and never misses a chance to say he's "worth many, many billions of dollars." (actual quote). In reality, he's worth tens, perhaps hundreds of millions. His hyper-inflated self-praising numbers are due to his (no one else's) estimate of the hyped values of his Trump brands, some of which have gone belly-up and worth nothing,

>> will try to destroy ISIS. Trump will increase ISIS's strength by giving ISIS recruitment much ammunition. Their numbers (and donations) will increase dramatically if Trump is Prez,

>> sticks to her policy statements. Trump flip flops day to day. His handlers are forever having to tell him what he said wrong,

>> cares about disadvantaged. Trump thinks their 'LOSERS.' He even mocked a spastic handicapped man. It's on video,

>> knows how government works. Trump doesn't. He'll be learning on the job, making mistakes daily.

. . . . . . . . . . . . ......and even with all that, I'm hoping Bernie goes all the way.

You forgot she likes puppies,kittens and her favorite color is pink.

What a colossal load of BS. Is that a serious answer or are you just pulling our collective legs?

Now may I suggest you regroup, collect your thought processes and try to tell us what she has actually accomplished on her own during her lifetime.

The only thing she has ever accomplished in her lifetime is marrying Bill Clinton. If she had not married above her station she would be a dowdy old grandmother married to some retired insurance salesman.

Maybe Pinot and Publicus can help you come up with her accomplishments. Citing her campaign link won't cut it.

I don't know details of HRC's career. She did win an election (more than Trump's ever done) to be senator of the US's 2nd most populous state. During that time, Trump praised her and donated to her campaigns. While First Lady, she endeavored mightily to get a Health Care Program for ALL AMERICANS, but was concertedly shot down by 'delay, delay, delay' do-nothing Republicans. The same Reps who never come up with any specs for a comprehensive health care plan for the US, keeping US behind all other developed countries in the world, while enabling their buddies in the Pharma industry to charge the highest mark-ups for pharma drugs in the world. That's just a small portion of what HRC or Bernie would focus upon if prez. Reps don't have a clue how to put together a program to bring down health costs while enabling regular American access. The Republican attitude is: if you ain't rich enough to afford health care, tough tamales. Trump will get you a great job, and you can afford the best doctors and pharma drugs which cost 5 to 40 times what Canadians or Europeans pay.

Just a tiny portion of the world according to Republicans: There's a triad of organizations which conspire to get youngsters hooked to anti-depressant drugs. First there are medical establishment which convince high schoolers and others that they've got mental problems. Second, there's the Big Pharma which happily supplies truckloads of mind-altering drugs, most of which are not needed, and actually do more harm than good. Third, there's the FDA which gives the OK to many dubious drugs. The result: hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Americans paying for psychic drugs which do more harm than good, and an alarming # of youngsters committing suicide and/or going to illegal recreational drugs - their sense of self-worth going down the toilet. Perhaps a significant # of those mentally-addled folks are Trump voters.

[boomerangutang]

political satire re; Chris Christie's ill-advised endorsement of Trump

[chuckd]

I'll mark your words, but you'll be wrong - similar to the crowd who was sure Romney would win 4 years ago, and some of the same folks are posting herein, 4 years later, thinking Trump has it wrapped up. Yes, there's a redneck contingent in American, but they ain't a majority by any means. There are much greater numbers of voters who are reasonable, and they will sway the vote for the Dem candidate. The margin will be greater than Romney's defeat. Mark my words.

@ lannarebirth: Notice he (Publicus) didn't answer the part asking all the great things about Hillary? Typical deflection.

I can't speak for Publicus. Also, it doesn't have to be a matter of one candidate being great at all things, and the opposing candidate is bad at all things.

I can, however, say Hillary would make a much better president than Trump - some of the reasons, below.

Hillary Rodham Clinton. . . .

>> is thoughtful, whereas Trump is impulsive,

>> knows her way around the halls of power, whereas Trump is like a bull in a China shop,

>> is friendly with many world leaders. Trump knows few and alienates more than he gains trust with. He can't even get along with the Pope for Krissaches,

>> knows the power of the US armed forces and will act responsibly. Both will seek advice from experts, but Trump is likely to fly off the handle with his anger and impulsiveness,

>> is mature. Trump is immature to the 10th degree, easily and quickly resorting to peurile name-calling, taunting, references to how big his dick is, etc.

>> is not a braggart. Trump is a braggart and never misses a chance to say he's "worth many, many billions of dollars." (actual quote). In reality, he's worth tens, perhaps hundreds of millions. His hyper-inflated self-praising numbers are due to his (no one else's) estimate of the hyped values of his Trump brands, some of which have gone belly-up and worth nothing,

>> will try to destroy ISIS. Trump will increase ISIS's strength by giving ISIS recruitment much ammunition. Their numbers (and donations) will increase dramatically if Trump is Prez,

>> sticks to her policy statements. Trump flip flops day to day. His handlers are forever having to tell him what he said wrong,

>> cares about disadvantaged. Trump thinks their 'LOSERS.' He even mocked a spastic handicapped man. It's on video,

>> knows how government works. Trump doesn't. He'll be learning on the job, making mistakes daily.

. . . . . . . . . . . . ......and even with all that, I'm hoping Bernie goes all the way.

You forgot she likes puppies,kittens and her favorite color is pink.

What a colossal load of BS. Is that a serious answer or are you just pulling our collective legs?

Now may I suggest you regroup, collect your thought processes and try to tell us what she has actually accomplished on her own during her lifetime.

The only thing she has ever accomplished in her lifetime is marrying Bill Clinton. If she had not married above her station she would be a dowdy old grandmother married to some retired insurance salesman.

Maybe Pinot and Publicus can help you come up with her accomplishments. Citing her campaign link won't cut it.

I don't know details of HRC's career. She did win an election (more than Trump's ever done) to be senator of the US's 2nd most populous state. During that time, Trump praised her and donated to her campaigns. While First Lady, she endeavored mightily to get a Health Care Program for ALL AMERICANS, but was concertedly shot down by 'delay, delay, delay' do-nothing Republicans. The same Reps who never come up with any specs for a comprehensive health care plan for the US, keeping US behind all other developed countries in the world, while enabling their buddies in the Pharma industry to charge the highest mark-ups for pharma drugs in the world. That's just a small portion of what HRC or Bernie would focus upon if prez. Reps don't have a clue how to put together a program to bring down health costs while enabling regular American access. The Republican attitude is: if you ain't rich enough to afford health care, tough tamales. Trump will get you a great job, and you can afford the best doctors and pharma drugs which cost 5 to 40 times what Canadians or Europeans pay.

Just a tiny portion of the world according to Republicans: There's a triad of organizations which conspire to get youngsters hooked to anti-depressant drugs. First there are medical establishment which convince high schoolers and others that they've got mental problems. Second, there's the Big Pharma which happily supplies truckloads of mind-altering drugs, most of which are not needed, and actually do more harm than good. Third, there's the FDA which gives the OK to many dubious drugs. The result: hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Americans paying for psychic drugs which do more harm than good, and an alarming # of youngsters committing suicide and/or going to illegal recreational drugs - their sense of self-worth going down the toilet. Perhaps a significant # of those mentally-addled folks are Trump voters.

I will admit you made a half-hearted stab at finding something Hillary had actually accomplished on her own.

Your first example of winning the NY Senate seat comes with one big question from me.

Do you honestly feel she could have won the election if her last name was not Clinton?

Your next one is the healthcare attempt while she was First Lady. You said...

"While First Lady, she endeavored mightily to get a Health Care Program for ALL AMERICANS, but was concertedly shot down by 'delay, delay, delay' do-nothing Republicans."

She submitted her bills to the 103rd Congress in 1993 which was majority dominated by the Democratic Party in both the House and the Senate. Her own party shot her down, not the Republican minority.

The rest of your post was a typical anti-Republican rant with no beginning, middle or end. It doesn't deserve a response.

[Publicus]

Elections of Potus are decided in the suburbs.

The OP cites the Democrat the former Philadelphia Mayor of two terms and former two-term Governor of Pennsylvania Ed Rendell, speaking about the national vote:

"I can't tell you how many suburban Republicans Trump will lose to us, but he'll lose plenty," predicted Ed Rendell, former Democratic governor of Pennsylvania, though he acknowledged that the billionaire developer also could pick up some union members who would otherwise vote Democratic. "My gut reaction is he'll lose more suburban independents than gain Reagan Democrats."

He added: "It scares you a little bit because you just don't know."

This is something of a wildcard campaign to date, so everyone will have to find out the outcome of the Republican party nominating convention in July. There likely will be some indications before then however, by early or mid June most likely.

Reagan and his people used their political savvy to seal victory in 1980 by choosing George H.W. Bush as his vp. GHW pulled in the undecided vote of suburban Republican women without which the election would have been either much closer or a close loss to Carter instead of the blowout of Carter that it was.

Accordingly, the one thing we can figure is that suburban Republican women throughout the country will vote D if Trump is the nominee. As Ed Rendell points out, the issue is how much this would balance some blue collar Democrats in certain Blue states voting for Trump if he is the nominee of the Republicans.

In Pennsylvania which is Blue, it would take a net turnaround and gain for the Republican nominee of almost 500,000 votes to win the state narrowly, and Ed knows this intimately though he didn't say it in this particular news story. Ed also knows that is a tall order to net...net.

What applies in PA would also be true with varying numbers in other Blue states in Potus elections, such as Michigan and Ohio, while other Blue states have far too many D voters for Trump to turn them, such as Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Illinois among others which on election night add up D candidate big Electoral College votes very quickly and decisively.

If Trump is the Republican nominee, which is still an open question even though he's favored to be, Trump will have to pull a rabbit out of his hat with the general electorate, to include suburban Republican women and blue collar D party voters in Blue states. Ed knows this so he's not going to say it's a D party picnic cause the majority of the electorate that votes D needs to be motivated to vote.

The green in Las Vegas says Trump is not the magician others think he will be with the general electorate:

Odds today on the election of Potus Tuesday November 8th are:

HR Clinton has odds of 1-2 which equal the percentage probability of 66.7%

Donald Trump has odds of 3-1 which equal the percentage probability of 25%

After that forget the rest of 'em going forward. To start to consider one of the others Trump would have to lose the nomination....

Odds probability of winning the Republican party nomination for the office of Potus

Donald Trump has odds of 1-4 or 80% probability

Ted Cruz is at 4-1 of 20% probability to win nomination

Marco Rubio is at 9-1 or 10,0%

John Kasich is at 10-1 or 9.09% to be nominated.

Odds don't say everything but they do say something significant. And Ed Rendell chooses to only suggest what he very much knows, i.e., on balance Trump still loses the general.

Obviously, you've given this a lot of consideration. Like most Democrats, you seem to know, or think you do, a lot more about the people you oppose than the people you support. Cut it out. Give me the case for Hillary Clinton instead.

It's super easy to take pot shots at "the other". Tell me what's so great about the candidate you've dedicated your life to sponsor.

Tell me what's so great about the candidate you've dedicated your life to sponsor.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

Dedicated my life is a big opening dude

Let's narrow it significantly....

My first vote for Potus was Hubert H. Humphrey. Then came George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, John B. Anderson a Republican, Walter Mondale who made it tough to vote for as he wore Thom McAn shoes; Michael Dukakis my governor, Bill Clinton twice, Al Gore (once, unlike the Scotus each of which justice got to vote twice), John Kerry my US senator, Barry twice.

Coming soon Hillary Rodham Clinton who is another in a long line of persons for whom I vote for Potus and for other offices thx.

So now tell us more about the candidates on the right that he conservative hard right likes so much it hasn't ever criticised in significant or substantial terms. Hey, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

Pubic is an idealogue talking head probably getting paid for his propaganda by jumping from thread to thread repeating the same stuff.

Again please..............

[Publicus]

He will win the general election in November

MARK MY WORDS

I'll mark your words, but you'll be wrong - similar to the crowd who was sure Romney would win 4 years ago, and some of the same folks are posting herein, 4 years later, thinking Trump has it wrapped up. Yes, there's a redneck contingent in American, but they ain't a majority by any means. There are much greater numbers of voters who are reasonable, and they will sway the vote for the Dem candidate. The margin will be greater than Romney's defeat. Mark my words.

@ lannarebirth: Notice he (Publicus) didn't answer the part asking all the great things about Hillary? Typical deflection.

I can't speak for Publicus. Also, it doesn't have to be a matter of one candidate being great at all things, and the opposing candidate is bad at all things.

I can, however, say Hillary would make a much better president than Trump - some of the reasons, below.

Hillary Rodham Clinton. . . .

>> is thoughtful, whereas Trump is impulsive,

>> knows her way around the halls of power, whereas Trump is like a bull in a China shop,

>> is friendly with many world leaders. Trump knows few and alienates more than he gains trust with. He can't even get along with the Pope for Krissaches,

>> knows the power of the US armed forces and will act responsibly. Both will seek advice from experts, but Trump is likely to fly off the handle with his anger and impulsiveness,

>> is mature. Trump is immature to the 10th degree, easily and quickly resorting to peurile name-calling, taunting, references to how big his dick is, etc.

>> is not a braggart. Trump is a braggart and never misses a chance to say he's "worth many, many billions of dollars." (actual quote). In reality, he's worth tens, perhaps hundreds of millions. His hyper-inflated self-praising numbers are due to his (no one else's) estimate of the hyped values of his Trump brands, some of which have gone belly-up and worth nothing,

>> will try to destroy ISIS. Trump will increase ISIS's strength by giving ISIS recruitment much ammunition. Their numbers (and donations) will increase dramatically if Trump is Prez,

>> sticks to her policy statements. Trump flip flops day to day. His handlers are forever having to tell him what he said wrong,

>> cares about disadvantaged. Trump thinks their 'LOSERS.' He even mocked a spastic handicapped man. It's on video,

>> knows how government works. Trump doesn't. He'll be learning on the job, making mistakes daily.

. . . . . . . . . . . . ......and even with all that, I'm hoping Bernie goes all the way.

You forgot she likes puppies,kittens and her favorite color is pink.

What a colossal load of BS. Is that a serious answer or are you just pulling our collective legs?

Now may I suggest you regroup, collect your thought processes and try to tell us what she has actually accomplished on her own during her lifetime.

The only thing she has ever accomplished in her lifetime is marrying Bill Clinton. If she had not married above her station she would be a dowdy old grandmother married to some retired insurance salesman.

Maybe Pinot and Publicus can help you come up with her accomplishments. Citing her campaign link won't cut it.

Trump's present path to victory is his road to November defeat when the vast and moderate centrist middle American electorate runs him out. The Highway to Hell for him, Heaven for Americans and the world.

So let's start with the accomplishment by HR Clinton as SecState that, unlike the Bush pipsqueak Condoleezza Rice there were no "mushroom clouds" cynical lies on the horizon from Iraq or any other country.

Then let's move to the accomplishment by HR Clinton as SecState that, unlike another Bush White House uniformed servant similar to Rice, Colin Powell, Mrs. Clinton did not tell gigantic lies to the entire UN Security Council and the world about WMD or anywhere else, nor was there a massive and unnecessary invasion of any country.

Both liars and their masters in the White House peddled Words of Mass Deception that historians already do not view kindly concerning either White House servant Rice or Powell. Then there were the emails of Powell and Rice and for which Hillary Clinton is being targeted by rightwingers in the intelligence bureaucracy.

In addition to initiating the Reblance to the Pacific, Hillary Clinton as SecState restored US standing throughout the world representing President Obama in the post Iraq WMD invasion period when the national security of the US was more damaged by GW Bush and his Dick Cheney than by bin Laden or any other menace to the country.

Hillary Clinton stands in contrast to Bush and his Dick Cheney, Rice, Powell, Armstead, Rumsfeld, Bolton and the whole gang of 'em with their Words of Mass Deception.

[Publicus]

if you want death to America, vote Hillary...

I think you American guys you don't need to come back to your banana Republic. I don't think the USA will exist anymore with Hillary. it s all planed to give all power to Chinese. Kim will destroy the west coast before the big one happen.

this is what you wanted. suck it now.

vote Trump.

suck it now.

Now now Donald.

After all you're going to have to suck it up on November 8th.

The Big One

Put your hands together

[up-country_sinclair]

Trump's path to victory

Also know as, America's road to ruin.

[Jingthing]

That isn't the current story. That story is about how his own party is trying to subvert his efforts. Should he get past those turds and get the nomination he'll pull a lot of "Reagan Democrats". He's also getting record turnouts.

More like Hitler Democrats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syd7HkqleS8&feature=youtu.be

Prominent people have lately likened the Republican presidential front-runner to Adolf Hitler for his comments targeting Mexicans and Muslims and for his populist politicking style.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/9-times-Donald-Trump-has-been-compared-to-Hitler-447358

[Publicus]

Tell me what's so great about the candidate you've dedicated your life to sponsor.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

Dedicated my life is a big opening dude

Let's narrow it significantly....

My first vote for Potus was Hubert H. Humphrey. Then came George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, John B. Anderson a Republican, Walter Mondale who made it tough to vote for as he wore Thom McAn shoes; Michael Dukakis my governor, Bill Clinton twice, Al Gore (once, unlike the Scotus each of which justice got to vote twice), John Kerry my US senator, Barry twice.

Coming soon Hillary Rodham Clinton who is another in a long line of persons for whom I vote for Potus and for other offices thx.

So now tell us more about the candidates on the right that he conservative hard right likes so much it hasn't ever criticised in significant or substantial terms. Hey, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

Message to Publicus:

You have suggested that I am a Rightwingnutjob because I oppose the corruption of corporate interests puppet Hillary Clinton. Well I listened to Bernie Sanders yesterday and was impressed with his proposal to make Wall Street pay for the restoration of services to middle America and give back their bailouts. If I could vote (and I can't because I am not American) I would vote for him even though I am not a socialist. This is contrary to your self acclaimed analysis (based on your self assessed studies of social and political science) that you know where my political affinities sit. Wrong again because I am a swing voter and always have been in my own country. I am not and never have been sold out to left or right or been partisan in any way because I prefer to keep both eyes open and not close one since it makes me half blind. It is also good to not form conclusions to fit a predetermined bias like you are prone to do on a daily basis.

Does support of Sanders now make me a Leftwingnutjob like you? No because I still would support Trump for the same reasons of not being obligated to donor masters. However he is a wildcard and his hubris counts against him although I do think this marketing will wear off if he reaches office. He is still more capable of changing his position if he is wrong than Hillary can ever do because she is answerable to special interest groups so can never change or admit to being wrong. Trump is independent of that. Sanders also is free to reinstate Glass Steagall which Hillary's husband helped repeal. Financial reform is limited with Hillary, her hands are tied on that. Banks are meant to manage people's money conservatively not conduct high risk ventures with it. Has anyone been jailed for huge losses that taxpayers were forced to bail out? No.Glass Steagall would have limited that risk. Hillary speaks for Goldman Sachs and her speeches she will not release. They are currently are up for $5 billion in penalties and settlements.

Sorry I would rather trust Trump than Hillary, but for the record I prefer Sanders.

Blue smoke and mirrors.

Don't care who you support as that is your choice and I'd never be able to change it, nor would anyone else. So why try.

Your pretension to be independent and neutral above the fray is a part of that which draws my replies to your posts.

You indeed betray your hard right conservatism by criticising the point of view you choose to criticise and by not criticising the opposite point of view. You criticise a certain point of view only and with an aggressive determination and application across the threads. You are not neutral or independent. You are conservative hard right.

Further and far worse, you accused this poster of taking pay to post here. The payment for posting statement directed to me by username disqualifies you of any legitimacy or respectability at this Forum.

You and another conservative hard right poster who in different ways each exceed the bounds of honorable discourse do not merit my attention or respect as the posters we all are. We all need anyway to post to the board and not to any particular poster individually or by name.

Neither of you will go on Ignore --at least nor presently if ever-- because each of you is too much of a good time to dissemble over there on the conservative hard right. Accusing a poster of being paid to post as you alone have done is anyway an indicator of a severe weakness and inadequacy of posting and of character.

[canathai8]

Why don't the other three clowns 3 Republican candidates join together in a coalition?

Being separated just ensures Trump will win the Nomination.

I know I joke around - but this is no joke,

I don't understand why they split the vote - the three of them would massacre Trump.

But ego trumps common sense - again.

In that dysfunctional environment - Donald deserves to clean up, as he is obviously doing.

It's been preordained, by dint of the hubris of Ted, Marco and the other one, whose name starts with K I think..

[canathai8]

What does Donald and Kim Jong Il (Former North Korean Buffoon) have in common?

They both have the hair of a meglomaniac - brag about their golf game - and the size of their penis..

Only in North Korea and America you say?

The Buffoon Club is alive and well

[Linzz]

Tell me what's so great about the candidate you've dedicated your life to sponsor.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

Dedicated my life is a big opening dude

Let's narrow it significantly....

My first vote for Potus was Hubert H. Humphrey. Then came George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, John B. Anderson a Republican, Walter Mondale who made it tough to vote for as he wore Thom McAn shoes; Michael Dukakis my governor, Bill Clinton twice, Al Gore (once, unlike the Scotus each of which justice got to vote twice), John Kerry my US senator, Barry twice.

Coming soon Hillary Rodham Clinton who is another in a long line of persons for whom I vote for Potus and for other offices thx.

So now tell us more about the candidates on the right that he conservative hard right likes so much it hasn't ever criticised in significant or substantial terms. Hey, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

Message to Publicus:

You have suggested that I am a Rightwingnutjob because I oppose the corruption of corporate interests puppet Hillary Clinton. Well I listened to Bernie Sanders yesterday and was impressed with his proposal to make Wall Street pay for the restoration of services to middle America and give back their bailouts. If I could vote (and I can't because I am not American) I would vote for him even though I am not a socialist. This is contrary to your self acclaimed analysis (based on your self assessed studies of social and political science) that you know where my political affinities sit. Wrong again because I am a swing voter and always have been in my own country. I am not and never have been sold out to left or right or been partisan in any way because I prefer to keep both eyes open and not close one since it makes me half blind. It is also good to not form conclusions to fit a predetermined bias like you are prone to do on a daily basis.

Does support of Sanders now make me a Leftwingnutjob like you? No because I still would support Trump for the same reasons of not being obligated to donor masters. However he is a wildcard and his hubris counts against him although I do think this marketing will wear off if he reaches office. He is still more capable of changing his position if he is wrong than Hillary can ever do because she is answerable to special interest groups so can never change or admit to being wrong. Trump is independent of that. Sanders also is free to reinstate Glass Steagall which Hillary's husband helped repeal. Financial reform is limited with Hillary, her hands are tied on that. Banks are meant to manage people's money conservatively not conduct high risk ventures with it. Has anyone been jailed for huge losses that taxpayers were forced to bail out? No.Glass Steagall would have limited that risk. Hillary speaks for Goldman Sachs and her speeches she will not release. They are currently are up for $5 billion in penalties and settlements.

Sorry I would rather trust Trump than Hillary, but for the record I prefer Sanders.

Blue smoke and mirrors.

Don't care who you support as that is your choice and I'd never be able to change it, nor would anyone else. So why try.

Your pretension to be independent and neutral above the fray is a part of that which draws my replies to your posts.

You indeed betray your hard right conservatism by criticising the point of view you choose to criticise and by not criticising the opposite point of view. You criticise a certain point of view only and with an aggressive determination and application across the threads. You are not neutral or independent. You are conservative hard right.

Further and far worse, you accused this poster of taking pay to post here. The payment for posting statement directed to me by username disqualifies you of any legitimacy or respectability at this Forum.

You and another conservative hard right poster who in different ways each exceed the bounds of honorable discourse do not merit my attention or respect as the posters we all are. We all need anyway to post to the board and not to any particular poster individually or by name.

Neither of you will go on Ignore --at least nor presently if ever-- because each of you is too much of a good time to dissemble over there on the conservative hard right. Accusing a poster of being paid to post as you alone have done is anyway an indicator of a severe weakness and inadequacy of posting and of character.

Oh I rattled your cage!

You asked us to lay it on the line so I told you at this point in time whom I would vote for and why, Bernie a self confessed socialist even. But that's not good enough for you and that still makes me a hard right conservative in your eyes because I stated I am not a socialist. I realize it's disconcerting for you because you like to pin people down and tidily put them into boxes of acceptance and rejection. Strictly 'for' and 'against', 'black' and 'white'. You don't seem to recognize any shades of gray because you've inhabited a mindset for far too long. I state, 'at this point in time', because I am a swing voter so that could change. Also the more Trump says the more I may go off of him, his foray onto politics is untested so there's not much I can say. Sorry to confess but I doubt if there's much chance of any support from me to Hilary, although there was one time several years ago I thought it could be a good thing to finally have a woman president. I still think that but because of her convolutions around Wall St, I can no longer support her in that role.

Pretentious?. Pretentiousness is something I've thought about your writings but haven't said till now but since you brought it up, your writings seem to be a predilection for long winded smart talk acting, with a lot of intellectual snobbery thrown in. Because you leap from post to thread with your HRC propaganda like a troll led me to wonder if you are in her pay. So your indignation and judgement of my character could tell me I am right but I'll take you at your word and withdraw and apologize on that score.

You are right in as much I am right wing conservative on economics. You never speak of the $19 trillion debt. What do you think should be done? Print more money? All you do is give an historical discourse on what happened politically in the past with endless data and ignore the debt crisis America is in altogether. Bernie may try to address that. Trump might too but he is short on detail at this point in time, like you. Hillary can't. Having said I am right wing conservative on economics, I am still aware of the disparity between the have and the have not's, that's me from the left wing if you like. But my right wing inclinations also tell me it's governments who rob the people, not the rich. Do you think your pension fund will be enough by the time deflation has shrunk it all away and government has robbed your account?

These are the reasons I do not blindly support strictly one political color or the other, but try to glean the good from the bad.

Yes you are right we should all play the ball and not the man, but I had to answer in like kind because your last post is "you, your, your, your, you

you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you" in that order. Take a look. Was that addressing the board or me?

Cheers, have a good day

[chuckd]

Linzz:

I agree with everything you said...except the vote for Sanders.

[CWMcMurray]

Just saw story on Trump... He a ounces his VP-- Sheriff Joe Arpaio

I think this was a big miscalculation that could actually end up costing him the election

Normally VP should balance the ticket and bring something that the presidential candidate is lacking or weak on..

Sheriff Joe is a choice that does the exact opposite

http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-announces-joe-arpaio-as-his-vice-president/

[CWMcMurray]

Delete -- double post

[chuckd]

Just saw story on Trump... He a ounces his VP-- Sheriff Joe Arpaio

I think this was a big miscalculation that could actually end up costing him the election

Normally VP should balance the ticket and bring something that the presidential candidate is lacking or weak on..

Sheriff Joe is a choice that does the exact opposite

http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-announces-joe-arpaio-as-his-vice-president/

Snopes calls this one as "false"

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A fake news article reported that Donald Trump had named Sheriff Joe Arpaio his running mate for the 2016 election.

Dan Evon

Jan 27, 2016

CLAIM: Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been named as Donald Trump's running mate.

FALSE

ORIGIN:On 27 January 2016, the web site News Examiner (and its shill sites at nbc.com.co and abcnews.com.co) published an article reporting that GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump had named notorious Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio as his running mate for the 2016 election:

<snip>

There is no truth to this report, and its source, the News Examiner, is a well-known fake news web site that publishes fabricated, clickbait articles.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-vp-arpaio/

[CWMcMurray]

Good news...

Glad it's false

[Linzz]

Linzz:

I agree with everything you said...except the vote for Sanders.

He's not bought that's all so he's worth listening to, but closely, everything is up for review.

[NovaBlue05]

Just saw story on Trump... He a ounces his VP-- Sheriff Joe Arpaio

I think this was a big miscalculation that could actually end up costing him the election

Normally VP should balance the ticket and bring something that the presidential candidate is lacking or weak on..

Sheriff Joe is a choice that does the exact opposite

http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-announces-joe-arpaio-as-his-vice-president/

Back when Trump announced his candidacy, I saw it as posturing for personal PR that might get him a TV show offer, or maybe light a fire under the GOP's arse...or something like that important to him. He misjudged the mood of a significant segment of the population and found himself with these positive poll numbers that really haven't wavered against him. I am still not convinced he really wants the job and instead keeps pushing the envelope trying to find an way out. He probably rightly felt that would would have been eliminated by now but instead finds himself painted into a corner. If he actually suggested Arpaio as a potential VP, that would have confirmed it for me.

If the GOP establishment is unable to steer the nomination elsewhere, and he is actually ambivalent about the job, the final campaign is likely to be a scorched earth event.

[Jingthing]

A president trump would be national suicide.

[CWMcMurray]

A president trump would be national suicide.

And yet... Preferable to Hillary

Hopefully she will be indicted or the DNC super delegates will come to their senses and nominate Bernie

Then have a chance for Bernie to be the democratic nominee, which would be the best option

[NovaBlue05]

A president trump would be national suicide.

Hyperbole aside, it would likely be more embarrassing to you than a true threat. He would have both parties in Congress oppose everything he does and would have his hands tied most of the time.

You live in Thailand right? Just tell everyone you're Canadian

[NovaBlue05]

A president trump would be national suicide.

And yet... Preferable to Hillary

Hopefully she will be indicted or the DNC super delegates will come to their senses and nominate Bernie

Then have a chance for Bernie to be the democratic nominee, which would be the best option

Yeah, Let Bernie run against Trump. We got rid of the Bush's. That would eliminate the Clinton's once and for all and give the finger to the two parties. A win-win.