Thailand scuppers migrant rescue ship's operations

[tuanku]

I don't get it. Why didn't they just bring the drones on the ship? Second question: what does this organization do with the migrants they rescue? The article doesn't seem to explain (though admittedly I only glossed it). Thailand doesn't want them as 'official' refugees, so why should they expect Thailand to help bring them in?

In any case, an organization that 'rescues' migrants is only encouraging more migrants to arrive. The only appropriate action is to escort them back. Very expensive I know, but anything else creates a moral hazard.

actually, the only appropriate action is to allow them to have a decent life in their place of origin, thereby removing the push factor that stimulates them to move away. maybe you could reflect on how bad things would need to be for you to uproot your family and become a refugee, putting yourself at the mercy of organisations such as people traffickers and the Royal Thai Navy and paying out your life's savings to do so. These are acts of desperation and some empathy for fellow human beings would not go amiss.

[i claudius]

Some time ago i wrote a piece about if you are glad you were born when you were , in the 40s 50s 60s etc , many people said that kids have more choices now and many said they were , actually much of what i was trying to get at was that ,the world was better then (yes i know we had wars ) but as we go on and the world becomes overpopulated and it is getting worse by the day , what we are seeing now is just a trickle of refugees fleeing , hunger ,water shortages ,poverty and oppression ,i truly believe as the poor nations breed and breed uncontrolably ,despots and religious fanatics will just keep on fighting , eventually the west and other nations who have food and water will but up walls to keep the refugees out , in the next 50 years i do believe that something terrible is going to happen to the people of this planet .

[Bluespunk]

"My request today is simple. Today. Tomorrow. Next week. Find somebody, anybody, thats different than you. Somebody that has made you feel ill-will or even hateful. Somebody whose life decisions have made you uncomfortable. Somebody who practices a different religion than you do. Somebody who has been lost to addiction. Somebody with a criminal past. Somebody who dresses below you. Somebody with disabilities. Somebody who lives an alternative lifestyle. Somebody without a home.

Somebody that you, until now, would always avoid, always look down on, and always be disgusted by.

Reach your arm out and put it around them.

And then, tell them theyre all right. Tell them they have a friend. Tell them you love them.

If you or I wanna make a change in this world, thats where were gonna be able to do it. Thats where well start.

Every. Single. Time."

Dan Pearce, Single Dad Laughing

[i claudius]

"My request today is simple. Today. Tomorrow. Next week. Find somebody, anybody, thats different than you. Somebody that has made you feel ill-will or even hateful. Somebody whose life decisions have made you uncomfortable. Somebody who practices a different religion than you do. Somebody who has been lost to addiction. Somebody with a criminal past. Somebody who dresses below you. Somebody with disabilities. Somebody who lives an alternative lifestyle. Somebody without a home.

Somebody that you, until now, would always avoid, always look down on, and always be disgusted by.

Reach your arm out and put it around them.

And then, tell them theyre all right. Tell them they have a friend. Tell them you love them.

If you or I wanna make a change in this world, thats where were gonna be able to do it. Thats where well start.

Every. Single. Time."

Dan Pearce, Single Dad Laughing

Yes "hug a terrorist or a child molestor or maybe one of those poor souls who steal your belongings and it will make you feel so good and they will be converted to the good ways in life straight away .

left wing (i wont use the word) its why the west is going downhill with all the Pc tosh , oh i cant go on ,my blood is boiling .

[Bluespunk]

"My request today is simple. Today. Tomorrow. Next week. Find somebody, anybody, thats different than you. Somebody that has made you feel ill-will or even hateful. Somebody whose life decisions have made you uncomfortable. Somebody who practices a different religion than you do. Somebody who has been lost to addiction. Somebody with a criminal past. Somebody who dresses below you. Somebody with disabilities. Somebody who lives an alternative lifestyle. Somebody without a home.

Somebody that you, until now, would always avoid, always look down on, and always be disgusted by.

Reach your arm out and put it around them.

And then, tell them theyre all right. Tell them they have a friend. Tell them you love them.

If you or I wanna make a change in this world, thats where were gonna be able to do it. Thats where well start.

Every. Single. Time."

Dan Pearce, Single Dad Laughing

Yes "hug a terrorist or a child molestor or maybe one of those poor souls who steal your belongings and it will make you feel so good and they will be converted to the good ways in life straight away .

left wing (i wont use the word) its why the west is going downhill with all the Pc tosh , oh i cant go on ,my blood is boiling .

"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."

Johan Wolfgang von Goethe

Credited with writing Faust. Got to wonder what he would think on how we treat our fellow humans these days. Make his visions of hate and pain tame in comparison. Indifference to their fate may not be the greatest harm we do those fleeing violence and death, but it is a contemptible, disgusting point of view.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Bluespunk

[JAG]

I don't get it. Why didn't they just bring the drones on the ship? Second question: what does this organization do with the migrants they rescue? The article doesn't seem to explain (though admittedly I only glossed it). Thailand doesn't want them as 'official' refugees, so why should they expect Thailand to help bring them in?

In any case, an organization that 'rescues' migrants is only encouraging more migrants to arrive. The only appropriate action is to escort them back. Very expensive I know, but anything else creates a moral hazard.

actually, the only appropriate action is to allow them to have a decent life in their place of origin, thereby removing the push factor that stimulates them to move away. maybe you could reflect on how bad things would need to be for you to uproot your family and become a refugee, putting yourself at the mercy of organisations such as people traffickers and the Royal Thai Navy and paying out your life's savings to do so. These are acts of desperation and some empathy for fellow human beings would not go amiss.

Tuanka, there are some here who think "empathy" is a pill people with a speech impediment take before they go clubbing!

Seriously though, you are wasting your time with the "send em back where they came from brigade".

[ddavidovsky]

I don't get it. Why didn't they just bring the drones on the ship? Second question: what does this organization do with the migrants they rescue? The article doesn't seem to explain (though admittedly I only glossed it). Thailand doesn't want them as 'official' refugees, so why should they expect Thailand to help bring them in?

In any case, an organization that 'rescues' migrants is only encouraging more migrants to arrive. The only appropriate action is to escort them back. Very expensive I know, but anything else creates a moral hazard.

actually, the only appropriate action is to allow them to have a decent life in their place of origin, thereby removing the push factor that stimulates them to move away. maybe you could reflect on how bad things would need to be for you to uproot your family and become a refugee, putting yourself at the mercy of organisations such as people traffickers and the Royal Thai Navy and paying out your life's savings to do so. These are acts of desperation and some empathy for fellow human beings would not go amiss.

Tuanka, there are some here who think "empathy" is a pill people with a speech impediment take before they go clubbing!

Seriously though, you are wasting your time with the "send em back where they came from brigade".

Seems like 'empathy' is the new fascism. It's forced down everyone's throats by those comfortable and secure enough in their lives that they can afford the luxury. They think that the world can be just as nice for everybody as it is for them. Mere objectivity is seen as barbaric. Unfortunately, that's pure naivety. The objective reality is that the world is a seething cauldron of Darwinian competition. It's one group against another fighting for limited resources. The 'brotherhood of man' is a cute idea that gains ground only in times of plenty. Those who understand this are simply more objective.

You will agree that a degree of discipline and organisation in human society is needed on an everyday basis, not just for the long-term good of the planet? Well that's it in a nutshell. There's no callousness in this, only rationality - the long-term happiness of everyone is the aim. The solution for the Rohingya (the group in question) is to gain representation in their own country, not to move en masse to someone else's. That takes hard work and of course they should be helped, which is the purpose of the UN, UNESCO, IMF, Amnesty International etc. Helped, not looked after.

Western civilisation took centuries of disciplined effort and self-sacrifice to build up - civil wars, national wars, world wars, industrial revolutions, painstaking development of institutions and social systems, governance and education. Emerging nations have a long way to go but it is vital to rule out migration as an acceptable solution, otherwise there will be global upheaval as they try to skip the hard-work development phase, there will be the erosion of cultures and endless local conflict as pressure is suddenly put on limited resources - that will be bad news for everyone in the long-term.

[dbrenn]

The Guardian - enough said.

[simple1]

I don't get it. Why didn't they just bring the drones on the ship? Second question: what does this organization do with the migrants they rescue? The article doesn't seem to explain (though admittedly I only glossed it). Thailand doesn't want them as 'official' refugees, so why should they expect Thailand to help bring them in?

In any case, an organization that 'rescues' migrants is only encouraging more migrants to arrive. The only appropriate action is to escort them back. Very expensive I know, but anything else creates a moral hazard.

actually, the only appropriate action is to allow them to have a decent life in their place of origin, thereby removing the push factor that stimulates them to move away. maybe you could reflect on how bad things would need to be for you to uproot your family and become a refugee, putting yourself at the mercy of organisations such as people traffickers and the Royal Thai Navy and paying out your life's savings to do so. These are acts of desperation and some empathy for fellow human beings would not go amiss.

Tuanka, there are some here who think "empathy" is a pill people with a speech impediment take before they go clubbing!

Seriously though, you are wasting your time with the "send em back where they came from brigade".

Seems like 'empathy' is the new fascism. It's forced down everyone's throats by those comfortable and secure enough in their lives that they can afford the luxury. They think that the world can be just as nice for everybody as it is for them. Mere objectivity is seen as barbaric. Unfortunately, that's pure naivety. The objective reality is that the world is a seething cauldron of Darwinian competition. It's one group against another fighting for limited resources. The 'brotherhood of man' is a cute idea that gains ground only in times of plenty. Those who understand this are simply more objective.

You will agree that a degree of discipline and organisation in human society is needed on an everyday basis, not just for the long-term good of the planet? Well that's it in a nutshell. There's no callousness in this, only rationality - the long-term happiness of everyone is the aim. The solution for the Rohingya (the group in question) is to gain representation in their own country, not to move en masse to someone else's. That takes hard work and of course they should be helped, which is the purpose of the UN, UNESCO, IMF, Amnesty International etc. Helped, not looked after.

Western civilisation took centuries of disciplined effort and self-sacrifice to build up - civil wars, national wars, world wars, industrial revolutions, painstaking development of institutions and social systems, governance and education. Emerging nations have a long way to go but it is vital to rule out migration as an acceptable solution, otherwise there will be global upheaval as they try to skip the hard-work development phase, there will be the erosion of cultures and endless local conflict as pressure is suddenly put on limited resources - that will be bad news for everyone in the long-term.

The various organisations you refer to and NGO's in Myanmar have been lobbying the Myanmar authorities for years.

The Rohingya were officially made stateless & disenfranchised by the then dictatorship in Burma in 1982. The Rohingya situation has actually worsened with some international groups now warning there is a possibility the Myanmar authorities may descend into genocide.

Rohingya have been targeted by Islamist groups such as Al Qaeda and the Taliban to encourage them to take up arms against their oppressors; to be frank I'm surprised there has been very minimal activity by Rohingya is this respect in the past twenty years or so. Other ethnic groups (non-Muslim) in Myanmar have been active with armed resistance for years.

[LannaGuy]

"Spokesmen for the foreign ministry and prime minister’s office did not respond to requests from The Guardian for comment because of the Songkran holidays"

'Thainess' at it's best

Edited April 16, 2016 by LannaGuy

[i claudius]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

[SeniorNice]

Why would anyone come to Thailand any which way up ?

The Thai government doesnt give its own people tuppence hapenny. They aint going to start spending money on refugees.

I believe they give their retirees a state pension of 500b. That's enough to buy..

[ratcatcher]

"Spokesmen for the foreign ministry and prime minister’s office did not respond to requests from The Guardian for comment because of the Songkran holidays"

'Thainess' at it's best

Oh come on LG, you don't honestly expect the Foreign Ministry and particularly the PM's office to respond to such a minor incident? There are far more pressing problems on the government's plate. Properly attired Thais, how to deal with skimpily clad women, attitude adjustment appointments, water (or lack of) management, summer food spoilage etc, etc. .

[JAG]

Why would anyone come to Thailand any which way up ?

The Thai government doesnt give its own people tuppence hapenny. They aint going to start spending money on refugees.

I believe they give their retirees a state pension of 500b. That's enough to buy..

...a couple of copies of the Guardian?

[SeniorNice]

Why would anyone come to Thailand any which way up ?

The Thai government doesnt give its own people tuppence hapenny. They aint going to start spending money on refugees.

I believe they give their retirees a state pension of 500b. That's enough to buy..

...a couple of copies of the Guardian?

If only they'd been educated with the ability to read the guardian.

Edited April 16, 2016 by SeniorNice

[Bluespunk]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

To all those rabid, right wing, war mongering, country invading, kill em all let god sort them out psychos out there, your wars caused the mess we find our world in.

Read the Guardian if you want a better way to live your lives.

[SeniorNice]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

To all those rabid, right wing, war mongering, country invading, kill em all let god sort them out psychos out there, your wars caused the mess we find our world in.

Read the Guardian if you want a better way to live your lives.

I prefer the independent

[i claudius]

The Guardian,your bottoms friend ,when you run out of the soft stuff

[SeniorNice]

The Guardian,your bottoms friend ,when you run out of the soft stuff

Good value for the cheap charlies. You could easily use both sides to wipe & keep costs down. Win win

[Bluespunk]

The Guardian,your bottoms friend ,when you run out of the soft stuff

Yep, the truth and hygiene.

Right wing rags can't even provide provide the latter.

I mean, they are usable, but, like their contents relationship with the truth, they just smear and spread filth everywhere.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Bluespunk

[tuanku]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

let me guess, you are a Daily Mail reader? or maybe you just stick to comics and Thai visa?

[i claudius]

DAILY MAIL? Bit left wing especially for someone who thinks Attila the Hun was a bit of a softy

[tuanku]

I don't get it. Why didn't they just bring the drones on the ship? Second question: what does this organization do with the migrants they rescue? The article doesn't seem to explain (though admittedly I only glossed it). Thailand doesn't want them as 'official' refugees, so why should they expect Thailand to help bring them in?

In any case, an organization that 'rescues' migrants is only encouraging more migrants to arrive. The only appropriate action is to escort them back. Very expensive I know, but anything else creates a moral hazard.

actually, the only appropriate action is to allow them to have a decent life in their place of origin, thereby removing the push factor that stimulates them to move away. maybe you could reflect on how bad things would need to be for you to uproot your family and become a refugee, putting yourself at the mercy of organisations such as people traffickers and the Royal Thai Navy and paying out your life's savings to do so. These are acts of desperation and some empathy for fellow human beings would not go amiss.

Tuanka, there are some here who think "empathy" is a pill people with a speech impediment take before they go clubbing!

Seriously though, you are wasting your time with the "send em back where they came from brigade".

Seems like 'empathy' is the new fascism. It's forced down everyone's throats by those comfortable and secure enough in their lives that they can afford the luxury. They think that the world can be just as nice for everybody as it is for them. Mere objectivity is seen as barbaric. Unfortunately, that's pure naivety. The objective reality is that the world is a seething cauldron of Darwinian competition. It's one group against another fighting for limited resources. The 'brotherhood of man' is a cute idea that gains ground only in times of plenty. Those who understand this are simply more objective.

You will agree that a degree of discipline and organisation in human society is needed on an everyday basis, not just for the long-term good of the planet? Well that's it in a nutshell. There's no callousness in this, only rationality - the long-term happiness of everyone is the aim. The solution for the Rohingya (the group in question) is to gain representation in their own country, not to move en masse to someone else's. That takes hard work and of course they should be helped, which is the purpose of the UN, UNESCO, IMF, Amnesty International etc. Helped, not looked after.

Western civilisation took centuries of disciplined effort and self-sacrifice to build up - civil wars, national wars, world wars, industrial revolutions, painstaking development of institutions and social systems, governance and education. Emerging nations have a long way to go but it is vital to rule out migration as an acceptable solution, otherwise there will be global upheaval as they try to skip the hard-work development phase, there will be the erosion of cultures and endless local conflict as pressure is suddenly put on limited resources - that will be bad news for everyone in the long-term.

Empathy is the new fascism????

maybe you should look up the meaning of the two words and review your statement.

Are you really suggesting the solution for the Rohingya is " civil wars, national wars, world wars, industrial revolutions, painstaking development of institutions and social systems, governance and education. " To which of these would you suggest they give priority or do you believe they ought to try them all simultaneously?

Migration has always been a factor and is nothing new in Europe, and certainly not in the USA or Australia. If not those countries would still be ruled by their indigenous peoples.

[JAG]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

let me guess, you are a Daily Mail reader? or maybe you just stick to comics and Thai visa?

There is a point of view which holds that the Daily Mail is a comic!

[i claudius]

I have the same feelings about immigration to the west as Thailand has to us,if you have plenty of money and can look after yourself and your family ,welcome,if not ,stay where you were born

Edited April 16, 2016 by i claudius

[tuanku]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

let me guess, you are a Daily Mail reader? or maybe you just stick to comics and Thai visa?

There is a point of view which holds that the Daily Mail is a comic!

Comics need humour, the Mail is just sad.

[i claudius]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

let me guess, you are a Daily Mail reader? or maybe you just stick to comics and Thai visa?

There is a point of view which holds that the Daily Mail is a comic!

Comics need humour, the Mail is just sad.

Well The Daily Mail has one of the largest readerships in Britain ,while The Guardian has ,well hardly anyone,so good for us sad comic readers Edited April 16, 2016 by i claudius

[JAG]

I have the same feelings about immigration to the west as Thailand has to us,if you have plenty of money and can look after yourself and your family ,welcome,if not ,stay where you were born

It is for Thailand to decide it's own policy on immigration, you are correct. But there are international obligations not to enslave migrants, hold migrants in remote jungle camps, attempt to extort ransoms for them whilst trafficking them to a third party, and force migrants back to sea in overcrowded unseaworthy vessels.

All practices in which elements within the establishment have been implicated.

That is why this organizations efforts are being impeded

[JAG]

To all the left wing ,hug a hoody , brigade on here ,i wonder how many of them actually do anything ,like giving their money ,taking them into their homes , looking after them , very very few i bet , but it makes them feel rightious to have a go at us who live in the real world and dont read the Guardian .

To all those rabid, right wing, war mongering, country invading, kill em all let god sort them out psychos out there, your wars caused the mess we find our world in.

Read the Guardian if you want a better way to live your lives.

I prefer the independent

Stopped publishing (print version) the other week.

[Scott]

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