webfact Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Big day: Surrogate baby Carmen flies home with gay coupleBy Coconuts BangkokPhoto: Bringcarmenhome/ FacebookBANGKOK: -- The same-sex parents who won custody of their daughter in a high-profile surrogacy case last month flew home with baby Carmen last night.Gordon Lake and Manuel Santos, both 41, shared a selfie taken in a plane as they were leaving Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi International Airport to Valencia, Spain, where their first surrogate son is waiting for them."Today is a big day for our family, we just started the journey for our family to be together after 16 months. Tomorrow we will be with our son Alvaro in our home with our family," read a statement on Facebook.Full story: http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/05/13/big-day-surrogate-baby-carmen-flies-home-gay-couple-- Coconuts Bangkok 2016-05-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Great news all the best to the Happy Family. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 An off topic post has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skildpadden Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Great news. Very happy for the couple and the kid - and I am sure the older brother is looking forward to meet his sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 And do hope the mother will file a countersuit to the surrogate agency and these two characters, for getting her to sign a document under false pretences and withholding information which would have been crucial to her decision making. They revealed they were gay on the day they picked up the baby. She would never have agreed if she knew. She had a right to know. They deceived her and used her body knowingly and deceptively. Shame on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 A comprehensive study should be undertaken to determined the outcome of gay couples having babies and caring for them, so far, I'm not aware of any serious study that will examine all the social developments of a child in the care non heterosexually couples.... as what we have now, is guy couples gallivanting into mostly very poor countries to take advantage of cheap surrogate services in order to be a parent of a child..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goanna Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Surely they can be trusted to teach the child that being gay is not normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse Twoccer Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Terrible news for the child who will undoubtedly grow up very confused, not to mention the ridicule she (and her brother) will likely suffer when they are older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Flying in economy with a baby. They have spent all their pink dollars on the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borisloosebrain Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 And do hope the mother will file a countersuit to the surrogate agency and these two characters, for getting her to sign a document under false pretences and withholding information which would have been crucial to her decision making. They revealed they were gay on the day they picked up the baby. She would never have agreed if she knew. She had a right to know. They deceived her and used her body knowingly and deceptively. Shame on them. A comment from the fact free zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Terrible news for the child who will undoubtedly grow up very confused, not to mention the ridicule she (and her brother) will likely suffer when they are older. Nonsense. The reports I have seen suggest that these kids are not bullied by their peers and there is no confusion. You are showing your own prejudices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Terrible news for the child who will undoubtedly grow up very confused, not to mention the ridicule she (and her brother) will likely suffer when they are older. Oh look...the king of condescending one-liners! Care to show any link to any source with some kind of reputation, to back your "undoubted" assumptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toknarok Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Thank goodness Thailand has now banned surrogacy and this sort of thing won't happen again here. This whole surrogacy business with the renting of wombs, buying of eggs and sperm, often where women in poorer countries are taken advantage of, is a whole can of worms, and IMO should be banned everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 What a heart warming HAPPY ending to a seemingly endless legal ordeal. Kudos to the parents for their heroic patience and perseverance to get to this happy day. Ignore the haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katipo Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 A comprehensive study should be undertaken to determined the outcome of gay couples having babies and caring for them, so far, I'm not aware of any serious study that will examine all the social developments of a child in the care non heterosexually couples.... as what we have now, is guy couples gallivanting into mostly very poor countries to take advantage of cheap surrogate services in order to be a parent of a child..... Perhaps. But then again we have all seen the results of poor Father-Mother parenting. These seem fun, loving, and financially stable, so why not I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsycat Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Jeez, and the vitriol and homophobia continues... Do any of you, ever, have any happy thoughts about anything that goes on in the world? Or do you have a consistant black cloud over your heads? I wish all happiness to Carmen and her family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 just logged in to see if there was any homophobic claptrap......wasn't disappointed, keep it up guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Great news. Shame the legion of Thaivisa homophobes can't let it pass without comment. This place is becoming a bastion of bigotry lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayk Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) I see there are plenty of homophobics here on TV. I'm not gay, far from it for that matter but what I do know is that homosexuality has been around since the beginning of man so you homophobic should get used to it. It's not going away. Edited May 13, 2016 by Rayk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsycat Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Don't worry, Soi Biker, soon they will be so scared about even walking down the street in case they are "infected"!! So they will have to stay inside and get cramps in their fingers bashing away at their keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggaebkk Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I guess talking our true feelings about this will get the post removed for being too real... So let's just say this: I'm very happy to be born and have lived in places without wars and horrors. I'm even more happy to be of this generation that had it good but won't regret when death comes because humanity is going so much to s***e that it will be a relief to escape it. Apart from that, enjoy having the next generation raised by sodomites. Damn, I'm gonna get banned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I guess talking our true feelings about this will get the post removed for being too real... So let's just say this: I'm very happy to be born and have lived in places without wars and horrors. I'm even more happy to be of this generation that had it good but won't regret when death comes because humanity is going so much to s***e that it will be a relief to escape it. Apart from that, enjoy having the next generation raised by sodomites. Damn, I'm gonna get banned! You'd rather die than see gay people happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 A comprehensive study should be undertaken to determined the outcome of gay couples having babies and caring for them, so far, I'm not aware of any serious study that will examine all the social developments of a child in the care non heterosexually couples.... as what we have now, is guy couples gallivanting into mostly very poor countries to take advantage of cheap surrogate services in order to be a parent of a child..... This is a rather disturbing post as shows the lack of knowledge people have yet they still are prepared to comment inaccurately on a topic. the truth is that there is A LO(T of research on Gay couples/parenting carried about over the last 20 years or more. What is equally disturbing is that it seems not only is this poster ill-informed, he hasn't even bothered to do even the most basic of searches on Google to find out if he's barking up the wrong tree or not.. One 5second search on Goggle alone revealed nearly 2 million hits. i'm not suggesting Google is the be-all and end-all but it is a start - I admit though that you do need to know how to search and analyse.......so here are some to start off with.... http://www.salon.com/2014/07/06/worlds_largest_study_on_same_sex_parents_finds_kids_are_healthier_and_happier_than_peers/ http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/04/the-research-on-same-sex-parenting-no-differences-no-more http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/ http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/07/08/your-kids-might-be-better-gay-parents http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/homosexual-parent-study-summary-of-findings https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/same-sex-parented-families-australia/childrens-wellbeing-same-sex-parented-families https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/children-of-same-sex-couples-are-happier-and-healthier-than-peers-research-shows/ http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/02/10/3621375/regnerus-sullins-same-sex-parenting/ http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research http://health.usnews.com/health-news/articles/2015/06/26/overwhelming-evidence-that-same-sex-parenting-wont-harm-kids http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000580 http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cou/39/1/91/ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=gay+parenting+articles&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLpZa0ydbMAhXHr48KHUajB3gQgQMIGjAA Read and learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggaebkk Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I guess talking our true feelings about this will get the post removed for being too real... So let's just say this: I'm very happy to be born and have lived in places without wars and horrors. I'm even more happy to be of this generation that had it good but won't regret when death comes because humanity is going so much to s***e that it will be a relief to escape it. Apart from that, enjoy having the next generation raised by sodomites. Damn, I'm gonna get banned! You'd rather die than see gay people happy? No, I will die when I will die, it's not related to gay people's happiness. And I wish tons of happiness to all gay people. But gay people adopting and raising children is just plain wrong. But that's only a tiny part of what's wrong and getting worse by the minute, and they are mostly not related to sexual orientation, some are. But gays are not the part that's wrong, homosexuality is part of nature, nature always includes an anomaly, that's the way it evolves. But that anomaly doesn't necessarily need to become the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageless1 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Thank goodness Thailand has now banned surrogacy and this sort of thing won't happen again here. This whole surrogacy business with the renting of wombs, buying of eggs and sperm, often where women in poorer countries are taken advantage of, is a whole can of worms, and IMO should be banned everywhere. I see, the renting of the wombs of women from poorer countries should be banned because they are taken advantage of? What about the renting of vaginas? Is that any different?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 ...and for those who think it's "unnatural"...... 450 species! http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) I guess talking our true feelings about this will get the post removed for being too real... So let's just say this: I'm very happy to be born and have lived in places without wars and horrors. I'm even more happy to be of this generation that had it good but won't regret when death comes because humanity is going so much to s***e that it will be a relief to escape it. Apart from that, enjoy having the next generation raised by sodomites. Damn, I'm gonna get banned! You'd rather die than see gay people happy? No, I will die when I will die, it's not related to gay people's happiness. And I wish tons of happiness to all gay people. But gay people adopting and raising children is just plain wrong. But that's only a tiny part of what's wrong and getting worse by the minute, and they are mostly not related to sexual orientation, some are. But gays are not the part that's wrong, homosexuality is part of nature, nature always includes an anomaly, that's the way it evolves. But that anomaly doesn't necessarily need to become the norm. "But gay people adopting and raising children is just plain wrong. " - you can't argue with that! ...it's incorrect, but it isn't an argument, it's a prejudice, so you just can't argue with it. As Bill Murray quoted - "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." i bet you like Trump, think Britain should leave the EU and hate "Muslims" - do you see that isn't a reflection of reality, it is a reflection of your own mindset? Edited May 13, 2016 by cumgranosalum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar God Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Adam Savage shaved off his beard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I see the family resemblance. Sweet! (Ignore the haters.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Has any research been done on the effect of being raised by miserable, negative bigots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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