So what did the Brexit supporters gain?

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

Anecdote: another crushing debating weapon.

 

Japanese 150 page report. Is that an anecdote? Statements by Branson of Virgin Money, Siemens on shelved Hull investment, Lloyds of London insurance chief warning on passporting, Ryan Air CEO ... on and on it goes ... but that's just anecdotal evidence, is it? It's a pretty strong indication that if companies do not get the same level of access to the EU market they will invest less in the UK, or worse, leave. 

 

Denial? Seems to work for you?

[cumgranosalum]

4 hours ago, SgtRock said:

 

In my post you could see references to:

 

1. The UK Government paying duties levied by the EU

2. £ 350 Billion

 

When you can see things that are not written, and you do not know the difference between £ 350 Billion and £ 350 Million, it is not an accountant you need, it is return to school.

 

Keep trolling away. It highlights your inadequacies perfectly 

 

 

 

I assume you not a real person but a satirical persona? I've seen people do you in their stand up routines.

Edited September 5, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[cumgranosalum]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Anecdote: another crushing debating weapon.

It is a trait I think of Brexiteers that their skills in debate and argument are so poor that they are unable to tell the difference between reasoned proposition and  anecdote....

 

have you seen the Japanese report???? one hell of an anecdote!

 

but hey, who am I going to believe? You or a Japanese manufacturer?

Edited September 5, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[i claudius]

To be honest i really do believe all this talking is a waste of time , the way things are going there isnt going to be an E.U in the future ,it will fall apart at the seams .

[SgtRock]

Nice reading

 

Quote

Eurozone PMI at 19-month low on German slowdown

 

UK 

 

Quote

All-sector PMI also enjoyed a record rise to 53.2

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/sep/05/services-sector-pmi-expected-to-ebound-after-brexit-shock-business-live

 

Things do not appear to be heading the way the EU was hoping.

[Ronuk]

3 hours ago, MissAndry said:

 

Do Romanians spend a lot of 'home earned' money in the UK?

But keep digging.

OK.....economic migrant.

[sandyf]

Good news for the brexiteers, today 'Brexit Britain' reported that 26 percent of 18 - 34 years olds are considering leaving the UK.

That should bring the nett migration figure down.

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

Japanese 150 page report. Is that an anecdote? Statements by Branson of Virgin Money, Siemens on shelved Hull investment, Lloyds of London insurance chief warning on passporting, Ryan Air CEO ... on and on it goes ... but that's just anecdotal evidence, is it? It's a pretty strong indication that if companies do not get the same level of access to the EU market they will invest less in the UK, or worse, leave. 

 

Denial? Seems to work for you?

 

The post I quoted and replied to was the anecdote about the Essex comedian with the racist friends. Are you capable of replying ontopic, or is your zeal to ram your remainer mantras down other posters' throats too strong for that?

[Khun Han]

10 hours ago, cumgranosalum said:

This "scaremongering" was pointed out long before the referendum.

 

I think we need to re-define the word "scaremongering" - to mean "raising reasoned and plausible arguments"

 

No, lets just keep the definition to what it's so far proven itself to be: baseless hysteria.

[Khun Han]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Good news for the brexiteers, today 'Brexit Britain' reported that 26 percent of 18 - 34 years olds are considering leaving the UK.

That should bring the nett migration figure down.

 

Get back to us when 0.0001% of those threatening to leave have actually left. The remainers just get dafter and more hysterical by the day.

[sandyf]

13 hours ago, SgtRock said:

 

The UK, despite hiccups along the way, will be fine in the end.

You mean like before.

 

1966
On 20th July, 1966, the Prime Minister decided, for no economic reason as far as I can tell, to impose a £50 limit on the travel allowance for British citizens abroad. That £50 was computed thus. The total number of British citizens travelling outside the sterling area was divided into the aggregation of expenditure and it was decided that the average expenditure per person was a trifle less than £50. The Chancellor therefore decided on a £50 limit.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1967/jun/19/overseas-travel-allowance

1967
Wilson defends 'pound in your pocket'
The Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, has defended his decision to devalue the pound saying it will tackle the "root cause" of Britain's economic problems.
The government announced last night it was lowering the exchange rate so the pound is now worth $2.40, down from $2.80, a cut of just over 14%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/19/newsid_3208000/3208396.stm

1968
The Black Dwarf was launched in June 1968 under Tariq Ali's editorship, with several other IMG members on its editorial board. Its creative and pluralist nature attracted a number of new activists to the group: John Lennon was friendly to the organisation.
While IMG members largely remained in the Labour party, including Charlie van Gelderen, International marked a break from 'deep entrism'. Its first issue claimed that "The Week was brought out in the expectation that a mass left would arise in the Labour party once labour was in power. [Its] main function was that of an organiser and co-ordinator [...] but this will be a by-product of the main function of International: the creation of a firm marxist core in the labour movement." Its campaigning was focussed on broader initiatives such as the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign and Russell Tribunal, in which Ernie Tate was prominent and in which the RSL and Socialist Labour League did not work, the Institute for Workers' Control and the Revolutionary Socialist Students Front, in which Peter Gowan and Murray Smith were active. The agitational work of The Week was carried on in the The Black Dwarf and in Socialist Woman, launched in 1969. The Group gained some public prominence when Tariq Ali, who had joined in April 1968, was widely publicised in the media as a leader of protests against the Vietnam War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Group

1969
Troubles in Ireland escalate
During the riots, on 13 August, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a television address. He condemned the RUC and said that the Irish Government "can no longer stand by and see innocent people injured and perhaps worse". He called for a United Nations peacekeeping force to be deployed and said that Irish Army field hospitals were being set up at the border in County Donegal near Derry. Lynch added that Irish re-unification would be the only permanent solution. Some interpreted the speech as a threat of military intervention. After the riots, Lynch ordered the Irish Army to plan for a possible humanitarian intervention in Northern Ireland. The plan, Exercise Armageddon, was rejected and remained classified for thirty years.
On 14–15 August, British troops were deployed in Derry and Belfast to restore order, but did not try to enter the Bogside, bringing a temporary end to the riots. Eight people had been shot dead, more than 750 had been injured (including 133 who suffered gunshot wounds) and more than 400 homes and businesses had been destroyed (83% Catholic-owned). 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

1970
The docks strike of 1970 was a major industrial action by dockers in the United Kingdom that raised fears of food shortages and led to a proclamation of a state of emergency by Queen Elizabeth II.
Dockers struck for a pay rise of £11 per week on 15 July 1970 and around 47,000 dockers were involved nationally. The strike seriously cut imports and exports and cost the British economy between £50 and £100 million. The British Army were stood by to protect food supplies but most dockers agreed to handle perishable goods and the strike was largely peaceful. The dockers lost £4 million in wages.
A court of inquiry was convened under Lord Pearson and proposed an average 7% increase in pay. Though this was at first rejected by the dockers, it was ultimately accepted on 30 July.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docks_strike_of_1970

19 May – The government made a £20 million loan available to help save the financially troubled luxury car and aircraft engine manufacturer Rolls Royce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_in_the_United_Kingdom

1971
The 1971 United Kingdom postal workers strike was a strike in the United Kingdom staged by postal workers between January and March 1971.
The strike was Britain's first national postal strike and began after postal workers demanded a pay rise of 15-20% then walked out after Post Office managers made a lower offer. The strike began on 20 January and lasted for seven weeks, finally ending with an agreement on Thursday 4 March. After voting over the weekend, the strikers returned to work on Monday 8 March 1971. The strike overlapped with the introduction of decimal currency in the U.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_United_Kingdom_postal_workers_strike

4 February – Rolls-Royce went bankrupt and was nationalised.
1 March – An estimated 120,000 to 250,000 "kill the bill" protesters went on strike against the 1971 Industrial Relations Act in London.
19 April – Unemployment reached a post-Second World War high of nearly 815,000.
24 June – The EEC agreed terms for Britain's proposed membership and it was hoped that the nation will join the EEC next year.
28 October: The House of Commons voted in favour of joining the EEC by a vote of 356-244.
Undated:Inflation stood at a 30-year high of 8.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_in_the_United_Kingdom

1972
9 January – The National Union of Mineworkers held a strike ballot in which 58.8% voted in favour. Coal miners begin a strike which lasts for seven weeks, including picketing of Saltley coke depot in Birmingham.
20 January – Unemployment exceeded 1,000,000 for the first time since the 1930s-almost double the 582,000 who were unemployed when Edward Heath's Conservative government came to power less than two years ago.
9 February – A State of emergency was declared as a result of the miners' strike.
23 June – The Chancellor of the Exchequer Anthony Barber announced a decision to float the Pound.
28 July – A strike by thousands of dockers led to the government announcing a state of emergency on 4 August.
6 November – The government introduced price and pay freezes to counter inflation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_in_the_United_Kingdom

Edited September 5, 2016 by sandyf

[sandyf]

6 hours ago, SgtRock said:

 

It is you who needs to get their facts straight.

 

WTO rules will only come into play if the UK - EU cannot come to an agreement regarding trade deals, whether those trade deals carry tariffs or not.

Wrong, but then its difficult to between a rock and a hard place.

[AlexRich]

47 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The post I quoted and replied to was the anecdote about the Essex comedian with the racist friends. Are you capable of replying ontopic, or is your zeal to ram your remainer mantras down other posters' throats too strong for that?

 

Try answering the question. Or is that too difficult?

[AlexRich]

47 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

No, lets just keep the definition to what it's so far proven itself to be: baseless hysteria.

 

Put all these points in the "too difficult" section of your in tray? Or give it a label to avoid facing up to it? The strawman strikes again!

 

 

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

Try answering the question. Or is that too difficult?

 

I didn't need to answer your offtopic reply. Sgt Rock has already dealt with the hysteria about the Japanese statement: it's just a load and ifs and maybes at this stage, and you've rattled on in your usual tone about the omnipotence of the EU in your response. Try keeping sub-discussions ontopic.You might be taken a bit more seriously.

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

Put all these points in the "too difficult" section of your in tray? Or give it a label to avoid facing up to it? The strawman strikes again!

 

 

 

Says the poster who answers a point about him using anecdote to claim that all brexiters are stupid racists with a rant about Japanese industry expressing concern about brexit!

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You mean like before.

 

1966
On 20th July, 1966, the Prime Minister decided, for no economic reason as far as I can tell, to impose a £50 limit on the travel allowance for British citizens abroad. That £50 was computed thus. The total number of British citizens travelling outside the sterling area was divided into the aggregation of expenditure and it was decided that the average expenditure per person was a trifle less than £50. The Chancellor therefore decided on a £50 limit.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1967/jun/19/overseas-travel-allowance

1967
Wilson defends 'pound in your pocket'
The Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, has defended his decision to devalue the pound saying it will tackle the "root cause" of Britain's economic problems.
The government announced last night it was lowering the exchange rate so the pound is now worth $2.40, down from $2.80, a cut of just over 14%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/19/newsid_3208000/3208396.stm

1968
The Black Dwarf was launched in June 1968 under Tariq Ali's editorship, with several other IMG members on its editorial board. Its creative and pluralist nature attracted a number of new activists to the group: John Lennon was friendly to the organisation.
While IMG members largely remained in the Labour party, including Charlie van Gelderen, International marked a break from 'deep entrism'. Its first issue claimed that "The Week was brought out in the expectation that a mass left would arise in the Labour party once labour was in power. [Its] main function was that of an organiser and co-ordinator [...] but this will be a by-product of the main function of International: the creation of a firm marxist core in the labour movement." Its campaigning was focussed on broader initiatives such as the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign and Russell Tribunal, in which Ernie Tate was prominent and in which the RSL and Socialist Labour League did not work, the Institute for Workers' Control and the Revolutionary Socialist Students Front, in which Peter Gowan and Murray Smith were active. The agitational work of The Week was carried on in the The Black Dwarf and in Socialist Woman, launched in 1969. The Group gained some public prominence when Tariq Ali, who had joined in April 1968, was widely publicised in the media as a leader of protests against the Vietnam War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Group

1969
Troubles in Ireland escalate
During the riots, on 13 August, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a television address. He condemned the RUC and said that the Irish Government "can no longer stand by and see innocent people injured and perhaps worse". He called for a United Nations peacekeeping force to be deployed and said that Irish Army field hospitals were being set up at the border in County Donegal near Derry. Lynch added that Irish re-unification would be the only permanent solution. Some interpreted the speech as a threat of military intervention. After the riots, Lynch ordered the Irish Army to plan for a possible humanitarian intervention in Northern Ireland. The plan, Exercise Armageddon, was rejected and remained classified for thirty years.
On 14–15 August, British troops were deployed in Derry and Belfast to restore order, but did not try to enter the Bogside, bringing a temporary end to the riots. Eight people had been shot dead, more than 750 had been injured (including 133 who suffered gunshot wounds) and more than 400 homes and businesses had been destroyed (83% Catholic-owned). 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

1970
The docks strike of 1970 was a major industrial action by dockers in the United Kingdom that raised fears of food shortages and led to a proclamation of a state of emergency by Queen Elizabeth II.
Dockers struck for a pay rise of £11 per week on 15 July 1970 and around 47,000 dockers were involved nationally. The strike seriously cut imports and exports and cost the British economy between £50 and £100 million. The British Army were stood by to protect food supplies but most dockers agreed to handle perishable goods and the strike was largely peaceful. The dockers lost £4 million in wages.
A court of inquiry was convened under Lord Pearson and proposed an average 7% increase in pay. Though this was at first rejected by the dockers, it was ultimately accepted on 30 July.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docks_strike_of_1970

19 May – The government made a £20 million loan available to help save the financially troubled luxury car and aircraft engine manufacturer Rolls Royce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_in_the_United_Kingdom

1971
The 1971 United Kingdom postal workers strike was a strike in the United Kingdom staged by postal workers between January and March 1971.
The strike was Britain's first national postal strike and began after postal workers demanded a pay rise of 15-20% then walked out after Post Office managers made a lower offer. The strike began on 20 January and lasted for seven weeks, finally ending with an agreement on Thursday 4 March. After voting over the weekend, the strikers returned to work on Monday 8 March 1971. The strike overlapped with the introduction of decimal currency in the U.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_United_Kingdom_postal_workers_strike

4 February – Rolls-Royce went bankrupt and was nationalised.
1 March – An estimated 120,000 to 250,000 "kill the bill" protesters went on strike against the 1971 Industrial Relations Act in London.
19 April – Unemployment reached a post-Second World War high of nearly 815,000.
24 June – The EEC agreed terms for Britain's proposed membership and it was hoped that the nation will join the EEC next year.
28 October: The House of Commons voted in favour of joining the EEC by a vote of 356-244.
Undated:Inflation stood at a 30-year high of 8.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_in_the_United_Kingdom

1972
9 January – The National Union of Mineworkers held a strike ballot in which 58.8% voted in favour. Coal miners begin a strike which lasts for seven weeks, including picketing of Saltley coke depot in Birmingham.
20 January – Unemployment exceeded 1,000,000 for the first time since the 1930s-almost double the 582,000 who were unemployed when Edward Heath's Conservative government came to power less than two years ago.
9 February – A State of emergency was declared as a result of the miners' strike.
23 June – The Chancellor of the Exchequer Anthony Barber announced a decision to float the Pound.
28 July – A strike by thousands of dockers led to the government announcing a state of emergency on 4 August.
6 November – The government introduced price and pay freezes to counter inflation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

Thank you for putting Alex straight on Britain's woes from the mid-nineteen-fifties to the mid-nineteen-seventies. He seems to think that it was all down to us not being a part of the EEC. You have reminded us that it was largely down to trades union militancy (coupled, of course, with outdated industries using inefficient working practices).

 

[SgtRock]

9 hours ago, sandyf said:

You mean like before.

 

1966
On 20th July, 1966, the Prime Minister decided, for no economic reason as far as I can tell, to impose a £50 limit on the travel allowance for British citizens abroad. That £50 was computed thus. The total number of British citizens travelling outside the sterling area was divided into the aggregation of expenditure and it was decided that the average expenditure per person was a trifle less than £50. The Chancellor therefore decided on a £50 limit.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1967/jun/19/overseas-travel-allowance

1967
Wilson defends 'pound in your pocket'
The Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, has defended his decision to devalue the pound saying it will tackle the "root cause" of Britain's economic problems.
The government announced last night it was lowering the exchange rate so the pound is now worth $2.40, down from $2.80, a cut of just over 14%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/19/newsid_3208000/3208396.stm

1968
The Black Dwarf was launched in June 1968 under Tariq Ali's editorship, with several other IMG members on its editorial board. Its creative and pluralist nature attracted a number of new activists to the group: John Lennon was friendly to the organisation.
While IMG members largely remained in the Labour party, including Charlie van Gelderen, International marked a break from 'deep entrism'. Its first issue claimed that "The Week was brought out in the expectation that a mass left would arise in the Labour party once labour was in power. [Its] main function was that of an organiser and co-ordinator [...] but this will be a by-product of the main function of International: the creation of a firm marxist core in the labour movement." Its campaigning was focussed on broader initiatives such as the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign and Russell Tribunal, in which Ernie Tate was prominent and in which the RSL and Socialist Labour League did not work, the Institute for Workers' Control and the Revolutionary Socialist Students Front, in which Peter Gowan and Murray Smith were active. The agitational work of The Week was carried on in the The Black Dwarf and in Socialist Woman, launched in 1969. The Group gained some public prominence when Tariq Ali, who had joined in April 1968, was widely publicised in the media as a leader of protests against the Vietnam War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Group

1969
Troubles in Ireland escalate
During the riots, on 13 August, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a television address. He condemned the RUC and said that the Irish Government "can no longer stand by and see innocent people injured and perhaps worse". He called for a United Nations peacekeeping force to be deployed and said that Irish Army field hospitals were being set up at the border in County Donegal near Derry. Lynch added that Irish re-unification would be the only permanent solution. Some interpreted the speech as a threat of military intervention. After the riots, Lynch ordered the Irish Army to plan for a possible humanitarian intervention in Northern Ireland. The plan, Exercise Armageddon, was rejected and remained classified for thirty years.
On 14–15 August, British troops were deployed in Derry and Belfast to restore order, but did not try to enter the Bogside, bringing a temporary end to the riots. Eight people had been shot dead, more than 750 had been injured (including 133 who suffered gunshot wounds) and more than 400 homes and businesses had been destroyed (83% Catholic-owned). 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

1970
The docks strike of 1970 was a major industrial action by dockers in the United Kingdom that raised fears of food shortages and led to a proclamation of a state of emergency by Queen Elizabeth II.
Dockers struck for a pay rise of £11 per week on 15 July 1970 and around 47,000 dockers were involved nationally. The strike seriously cut imports and exports and cost the British economy between £50 and £100 million. The British Army were stood by to protect food supplies but most dockers agreed to handle perishable goods and the strike was largely peaceful. The dockers lost £4 million in wages.
A court of inquiry was convened under Lord Pearson and proposed an average 7% increase in pay. Though this was at first rejected by the dockers, it was ultimately accepted on 30 July.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docks_strike_of_1970

19 May – The government made a £20 million loan available to help save the financially troubled luxury car and aircraft engine manufacturer Rolls Royce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_in_the_United_Kingdom

1971
The 1971 United Kingdom postal workers strike was a strike in the United Kingdom staged by postal workers between January and March 1971.
The strike was Britain's first national postal strike and began after postal workers demanded a pay rise of 15-20% then walked out after Post Office managers made a lower offer. The strike began on 20 January and lasted for seven weeks, finally ending with an agreement on Thursday 4 March. After voting over the weekend, the strikers returned to work on Monday 8 March 1971. The strike overlapped with the introduction of decimal currency in the U.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_United_Kingdom_postal_workers_strike

4 February – Rolls-Royce went bankrupt and was nationalised.
1 March – An estimated 120,000 to 250,000 "kill the bill" protesters went on strike against the 1971 Industrial Relations Act in London.
19 April – Unemployment reached a post-Second World War high of nearly 815,000.
24 June – The EEC agreed terms for Britain's proposed membership and it was hoped that the nation will join the EEC next year.
28 October: The House of Commons voted in favour of joining the EEC by a vote of 356-244.
Undated:Inflation stood at a 30-year high of 8.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_in_the_United_Kingdom

1972
9 January – The National Union of Mineworkers held a strike ballot in which 58.8% voted in favour. Coal miners begin a strike which lasts for seven weeks, including picketing of Saltley coke depot in Birmingham.
20 January – Unemployment exceeded 1,000,000 for the first time since the 1930s-almost double the 582,000 who were unemployed when Edward Heath's Conservative government came to power less than two years ago.
9 February – A State of emergency was declared as a result of the miners' strike.
23 June – The Chancellor of the Exchequer Anthony Barber announced a decision to float the Pound.
28 July – A strike by thousands of dockers led to the government announcing a state of emergency on 4 August.
6 November – The government introduced price and pay freezes to counter inflation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

You are trying hard Sandy and failing miserably.

 

It has been answered fairly well by Khun Han

 

So I would just like to add, for all your wasted efforts in cutting and pasting, none of it has got anything to do with the topic.

[i claudius]

10 hours ago, sandyf said:

You mean like before.

 

1966
On 20th July, 1966, the Prime Minister decided, for no economic reason as far as I can tell, to impose a £50 limit on the travel allowance for British citizens abroad. That £50 was computed thus. The total number of British citizens travelling outside the sterling area was divided into the aggregation of expenditure and it was decided that the average expenditure per person was a trifle less than £50. The Chancellor therefore decided on a £50 limit.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1967/jun/19/overseas-travel-allowance

1967
Wilson defends 'pound in your pocket'
The Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, has defended his decision to devalue the pound saying it will tackle the "root cause" of Britain's economic problems.
The government announced last night it was lowering the exchange rate so the pound is now worth $2.40, down from $2.80, a cut of just over 14%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/19/newsid_3208000/3208396.stm

1968
The Black Dwarf was launched in June 1968 under Tariq Ali's editorship, with several other IMG members on its editorial board. Its creative and pluralist nature attracted a number of new activists to the group: John Lennon was friendly to the organisation.
While IMG members largely remained in the Labour party, including Charlie van Gelderen, International marked a break from 'deep entrism'. Its first issue claimed that "The Week was brought out in the expectation that a mass left would arise in the Labour party once labour was in power. [Its] main function was that of an organiser and co-ordinator [...] but this will be a by-product of the main function of International: the creation of a firm marxist core in the labour movement." Its campaigning was focussed on broader initiatives such as the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign and Russell Tribunal, in which Ernie Tate was prominent and in which the RSL and Socialist Labour League did not work, the Institute for Workers' Control and the Revolutionary Socialist Students Front, in which Peter Gowan and Murray Smith were active. The agitational work of The Week was carried on in the The Black Dwarf and in Socialist Woman, launched in 1969. The Group gained some public prominence when Tariq Ali, who had joined in April 1968, was widely publicised in the media as a leader of protests against the Vietnam War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Group

1969
Troubles in Ireland escalate
During the riots, on 13 August, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a television address. He condemned the RUC and said that the Irish Government "can no longer stand by and see innocent people injured and perhaps worse". He called for a United Nations peacekeeping force to be deployed and said that Irish Army field hospitals were being set up at the border in County Donegal near Derry. Lynch added that Irish re-unification would be the only permanent solution. Some interpreted the speech as a threat of military intervention. After the riots, Lynch ordered the Irish Army to plan for a possible humanitarian intervention in Northern Ireland. The plan, Exercise Armageddon, was rejected and remained classified for thirty years.
On 14–15 August, British troops were deployed in Derry and Belfast to restore order, but did not try to enter the Bogside, bringing a temporary end to the riots. Eight people had been shot dead, more than 750 had been injured (including 133 who suffered gunshot wounds) and more than 400 homes and businesses had been destroyed (83% Catholic-owned). 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

1970
The docks strike of 1970 was a major industrial action by dockers in the United Kingdom that raised fears of food shortages and led to a proclamation of a state of emergency by Queen Elizabeth II.
Dockers struck for a pay rise of £11 per week on 15 July 1970 and around 47,000 dockers were involved nationally. The strike seriously cut imports and exports and cost the British economy between £50 and £100 million. The British Army were stood by to protect food supplies but most dockers agreed to handle perishable goods and the strike was largely peaceful. The dockers lost £4 million in wages.
A court of inquiry was convened under Lord Pearson and proposed an average 7% increase in pay. Though this was at first rejected by the dockers, it was ultimately accepted on 30 July.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docks_strike_of_1970

19 May – The government made a £20 million loan available to help save the financially troubled luxury car and aircraft engine manufacturer Rolls Royce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_in_the_United_Kingdom

1971
The 1971 United Kingdom postal workers strike was a strike in the United Kingdom staged by postal workers between January and March 1971.
The strike was Britain's first national postal strike and began after postal workers demanded a pay rise of 15-20% then walked out after Post Office managers made a lower offer. The strike began on 20 January and lasted for seven weeks, finally ending with an agreement on Thursday 4 March. After voting over the weekend, the strikers returned to work on Monday 8 March 1971. The strike overlapped with the introduction of decimal currency in the U.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_United_Kingdom_postal_workers_strike

4 February – Rolls-Royce went bankrupt and was nationalised.
1 March – An estimated 120,000 to 250,000 "kill the bill" protesters went on strike against the 1971 Industrial Relations Act in London.
19 April – Unemployment reached a post-Second World War high of nearly 815,000.
24 June – The EEC agreed terms for Britain's proposed membership and it was hoped that the nation will join the EEC next year.
28 October: The House of Commons voted in favour of joining the EEC by a vote of 356-244.
Undated:Inflation stood at a 30-year high of 8.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_in_the_United_Kingdom

1972
9 January – The National Union of Mineworkers held a strike ballot in which 58.8% voted in favour. Coal miners begin a strike which lasts for seven weeks, including picketing of Saltley coke depot in Birmingham.
20 January – Unemployment exceeded 1,000,000 for the first time since the 1930s-almost double the 582,000 who were unemployed when Edward Heath's Conservative government came to power less than two years ago.
9 February – A State of emergency was declared as a result of the miners' strike.
23 June – The Chancellor of the Exchequer Anthony Barber announced a decision to float the Pound.
28 July – A strike by thousands of dockers led to the government announcing a state of emergency on 4 August.
6 November – The government introduced price and pay freezes to counter inflation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

And hundreds of years ago Henry the eigth had six wives , its history , look to the future , not "remaining"

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, sandyf said:

Good news for the brexiteers, today 'Brexit Britain' reported that 26 percent of 18 - 34 years olds are considering leaving the UK.

That should bring the nett migration figure down.

Apologies for the error in this post, it was a verbal report and this morning have seen it in print.

The 26% was all age groups, 43% for 18 - 34 year olds.

 

[SgtRock]

In further bad news for the Remoaners

 

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In his first major speech as Brexit Secretary, Davis reiterated the message from Theresa May that there will be no attempt to stay in the EU by the back door, no attempt to delay, frustrate or thwart the will of the British people and no attempt to engineer a second referendum.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/941462-brexit-minister-already-has-team-of-300-working-on-arranging-britains-exit-from-eu/

 

Clear and concise

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, SgtRock said:

 

You are trying hard Sandy and failing miserably.

 

It has been answered fairly well by Khun Han

 

So I would just like to add, for all your wasted efforts in cutting and pasting, none of it has got anything to do with the topic.

Apart from the fact that brexiteers keep saying how much better it was outside the EU, when in fact there is no credible precedent.

 

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Apart from the fact that brexiteers keep saying how much better it was outside the EU, when in fact there is no credible precedent.

 

 

It doesn't matter whether it was better or worse in the EU, the British people have voted to leave, so leave we will. I can assure you moaning will not help, it will just make you bitter and twisted.

[AlexRich]

8 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

I didn't need to answer your offtopic reply. Sgt Rock has already dealt with the hysteria about the Japanese statement: it's just a load and ifs and maybes at this stage, and you've rattled on in your usual tone about the omnipotence of the EU in your response. Try keeping sub-discussions ontopic.You might be taken a bit more seriously.

 

Again, no answer other than "denial". The Japanese statement was very clear. It wasn't made by a guy on the street in Tokyo, it was made by the Japan Government. 

 

Keep putting your head in the sand ... and putting words into my mouth (omnipotence of the EU?), like your friend Sgt Rock. That's a clear sign of a man losing the argument.

 

 

[AlexRich]

8 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Says the poster who answers a point about him using anecdote to claim that all brexiters are stupid racists with a rant about Japanese industry expressing concern about brexit!

 

Can you show me the statement where I said "all brexiteers are stupid racists"? All meaning 100%. Making things up again? 

 

"Rant" about Japanese industry? No, just pointing out that yesterday the Japanese Government sent a very clear warning to the UK Government about the terms of Brexit. Just facts, one's that show your belief that such talk is "speculation" or "scaremongering" to be emotional drivel. 

 

 

[SgtRock]

27 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Apart from the fact that brexiteers keep saying how much better it was outside the EU, when in fact there is no credible precedent.

 

 

Where did you read these facts Sandy ? Can you provide a source ? I truly believe that you are now living in the land of the fairies.

 

It is my distinct recollection that most people who made a point on the EU was that they wanted to leave because of what the EU had morphed into, which is way different to what the UK joined way back in 75.

[AlexRich]

31 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

 

 

20 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

It doesn't matter whether it was better or worse in the EU, the British people have voted to leave, so leave we will. I can assure you moaning will not help, it will just make you bitter and twisted.

 

The British people can also vote to reverse the situation, as is their democratic right. And who are you to state that this is not possible? Once the terms of the exit are known, and the full implications are clear, there may well be an opportunity to vote for a political party that rejects it. So the campaign continues. That is democracy.

 

[sandyf]

There has only ever been 3 full UK referendums which is a good indication of the part they play in UK politics. All 3 have been call as a confidence booster for government policy but unfortunately the latest was badly managed and backfired on the government. Another referendum wouldn't have any more credibility than the last one.

UK politics revolves around Parliament Sovereignty but in this case it is being bypassed in favour of an unreliable perception of the issue supported by a legacy from the dark ages.

Why a desperation to circumvent the political process, at the end of the day if MP's follow their constituents the outcome should be the same and a lot more credible. After all they are the elected representatives of the people.

Edited September 6, 2016 by sandyf

[AlexRich]

5 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

 

Where did you read these facts Sandy ? Can you provide a source ? I truly believe that you are now living in the land of the fairies.

 

It is my distinct recollection that most people who made a point on the EU was that they wanted to leave because of what the EU had morphed into, which is way different to what the UK joined way back in 75.

 

My distinct recollection is that they voted on immigration issues ... 

[SgtRock]

25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Wrong again, WTO access may well be part of the exit arrangement. The UK must re establish its legal position within the WTO which will take some time and if left till the end would mean the UK would be unable to trade for a considerable length of time.

 

Your final comment is quite contemptible.

 

 

Do you really think that the UK, which is apparently wreaking havoc on the world economy  will be unable to trade ?

 

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How does the UK establish itself as an independent WTO member?

Each WTO member has a “schedule” of commitments for each of the agreements — including agriculture, industrial goods and services — setting out the terms on which it trades. Member states of the EU are bound by EU-wide schedules, negotiated by the bloc on their behalf. The UK could simply copy the EU commitments and slide seamlessly into membership exclusively in its own right, as long as no other WTO member objects.

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5741129a-4510-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#axzz4JRLTkVno

 

Time to ditch the pessimism and embrace optimism. Look for solutions do not look for problems.