Now that Britain has voted to leave the EU, what comes next?

[Orac]

Brexit

Ukip - Nigel Farage leader in Brussels chamber accused them of never having done a proper job in their lives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/meps-boo-nigel-farage-insults-in-european-parliament

Nigel is right!

Not all of them - the cardiovascular surgeon was the one sat behind him doing the facepalm bit during the speech.

[Thaiwine]

Brexit

Ukip - Nigel Farage leader in Brussels chamber accused them of never having done a proper job in their lives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/meps-boo-nigel-farage-insults-in-european-parliament

Nigel is right!

Not all of them - the cardiovascular surgeon was the one sat behind him doing the facepalm bit during the speech.

So you find a bit of banter, distasteful? many thought it was funny.

[Skywalker69]

Inevitable and now we get the English Donald Trump.

That Brit guy Boris Johnson does look like him. Any blood connection?

Same orangutang father?

[Orac]

Brexit

Ukip - Nigel Farage leader in Brussels chamber accused them of never having done a proper job in their lives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/meps-boo-nigel-farage-insults-in-european-parliament

Nigel is right!

Not all of them - the cardiovascular surgeon was the one sat behind him doing the facepalm bit during the speech.

So you find a bit of banter, distasteful? many thought it was funny.

Some of it was a little funny though on the whole i found his gloating a little cringeworthy.

My point was that what he said was also untrue.

[teatree]

Brexit

Ukip - Nigel Farage leader in Brussels chamber accused them of never having done a proper job in their lives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/meps-boo-nigel-farage-insults-in-european-parliament

Nigel is right!

Not all of them - the cardiovascular surgeon was the one sat behind him doing the facepalm bit during the speech.

There are 751 MP's in the EU parliament...do you have a graphic for the other 745?

[ilostmypassword]

Brexit

Ukip - Nigel Farage leader in Brussels chamber accused them of never having done a proper job in their lives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/meps-boo-nigel-farage-insults-in-european-parliament

Nigel is right!

Not all of them - the cardiovascular surgeon was the one sat behind him doing the facepalm bit during the speech.

There are 751 MP's in the EU parliament...do you have a graphic for the other 745?

Do you? Or a list? Or anything comprehensive that would back up Farage's assertion? Providing proof is incumbent upon the person making the assertion.

Edited July 1, 2016 by ilostmypassword

[MissAndry]

Do you? Or a list? Or anything comprehensive that would back up Farage's assertion? Providing proof is incumbent upon the person making the assertion.

Well, 4 out of the 6 captioned didn't have proper jobs.

So if the rest are in the same proportion Mr. F would be right.

[Jip99]

Nigel is right!

Not all of them - the cardiovascular surgeon was the one sat behind him doing the facepalm bit during the speech.

There are 751 MP's in the EU parliament...do you have a graphic for the other 745?

Do you? Or a list? Or anything comprehensive that would back up Farage's assertion? Providing proof is incumbent upon the person making the assertion.

Not in politics!

That is why Cameron could not persuade the UK population to vote Remain.

[Asiantravel]

according to the German-speaking RT News, George Soros et al are betting on a collapse of the eurozone

here is the English translation

https://deutsch.rt.com/wirtschaft/39166-the-big-short-georg-soros/

[MJP]

according to the German-speaking RT News, George Soros et al are betting on a collapse of the eurozone

here is the English translation

https://deutsch.rt.com/wirtschaft/39166-the-big-short-georg-soros/

I read the other day Soros' betting 100m Euro's against Deutsche Bank.

[Naam]

according to the German-speaking RT News, George Soros et al are betting on a collapse of the eurozone

here is the English translation

https://deutsch.rt.com/wirtschaft/39166-the-big-short-georg-soros/

I read the other day Soros' betting 100m Euro's against Deutsche Bank.

that is correct. Soros is shorting Deutsche Bank and that quite successful.

the RT headline is rubbish, he can't short the EU.

[SheungWan]

Do you? Or a list? Or anything comprehensive that would back up Farage's assertion? Providing proof is incumbent upon the person making the assertion.

Well, 4 out of the 6 captioned didn't have proper jobs.

So if the rest are in the same proportion Mr. F would be right.

Some of Farage's defenders here are even more ridiculous than Farage's own comments.

[ilostmypassword]

according to the German-speaking RT News, George Soros et al are betting on a collapse of the eurozone

here is the English translation

https://deutsch.rt.com/wirtschaft/39166-the-big-short-georg-soros/

I read the other day Soros' betting 100m Euro's against Deutsche Bank.

that is correct. Soros is shorting Deutsche Bank and that quite successful.

the RT headline is rubbish, he can't short the EU.

Literally, no, he can't short the EU. But he can place bets on some of the consequences of a breakup of the EU.

[MissAndry]

Do you? Or a list? Or anything comprehensive that would back up Farage's assertion? Providing proof is incumbent upon the person making the assertion.

Well, 4 out of the 6 captioned didn't have proper jobs.

So if the rest are in the same proportion Mr. F would be right.

Some of Farage's defenders here are even more ridiculous than Farage's own comments.

I think he's a plonker, but that doesn't change my view that a political science lecturer isn't a 'proper job'

Scientific officer for whale hugger charity, army officer purchased by posh parents, philosophy professor ...... I don't think so.

Not forgetting Farage has never had a proper job either.

I'm betting you've never had a proper job either.

And before you ask, my proper job was producing and raising children.

Edited July 6, 2016 by MissAndry

[bkkcanuck8]

according to the German-speaking RT News, George Soros et al are betting on a collapse of the eurozone:gigglem:

here is the English translation

https://deutsch.rt.com/wirtschaft/39166-the-big-short-georg-soros/

I read the other day Soros' betting 100m Euro's against Deutsche Bank.

that is correct. Soros is shorting Deutsche Bank and that quite successful.

the RT headline is rubbish, he can't short the EU.

Literally, no, he can't short the EU. But he can place bets on some of the consequences of a breakup of the EU.

And the vast majority of those bets would be the same whether you were betting that it is an EU breakup or just a massive recession because of the artificial supports and floor put on the financial fiasco from 2008. In fact a UK exit itself could be the trigger for it regardless.

Note to many that would try to misinterpret as a slight against UK leave vote.... trigger is not the same as cause

Edited July 6, 2016 by bkkcanuck8

[kingalfred]

Victory !!!

I agree. But the handling of Brexit is far worse than Brexit itself.

So far I think they're deliberately screwing it up to scupper it.

The BBC and MSM is awash with the most intense scaremongering I've ever witnessed.

Every time the MSM is against something I assume it to be good, and vice versa, More and more people seem to have started to see through the MSM and their attempts at manipulating public opinion. But the fun thing is now even the politicians are showing their true colors for all to see, just check the tweets etc from major European leaders and politicians lol. They start seeing the emperor naked.

the EU was built for the benefits of the elites ultra rich, banks or huge multinationals,the huge list of EU regulations made the multinationals happier because it insured a monopoly on the market so no small-mid size business will be able to compete, just imagine that the British MEPs failed to Block 84% of EU Laws of all time, this isn't a democracy, EU lawmakers managed to outvote UK politicians.

Greenland was the first country to leave the EU on 1985 nothing catastrophic happened to them, UK can negotiate a new prosperous trade treaties with the US, Canada, Brazil, India, China and all high growth economies just like what Switzerland is doing, China is selling to the EU and it has no trade treaty whatsoever, Nothing like being told how to run your finances or industry by a bunch of unelected elites in Brussels, Its like living in a house full of room mates. Some are well off but the others trash the place, allow uninvited strangers to move in and then hit you up for more cash when they f*%$#k up for the 100th time. Time to move.

Apparently you believe that the further away a country is from the UK, the more opportunity there is. Sensible people know that proximity is hugely important in trade. Let me see know, what's the closest market to the UK....I give up. Too difficult a question.

the ignorance of some!Proximity of country is not the most important factor in selling products and services in a global world.

[Naam]

the ignorance of some! Proximity of country is not the most important factor in selling products and services in a global world.

that is correct. but exporting products into a jurisdiction which does not levy any customs or excise duty as well as low freight and packing cost are very important factors.

[bkkcanuck8]

the ignorance of some! Proximity of country is not the most important factor in selling products and services in a global world.

that is correct. but exporting products into a jurisdiction which does not levy any customs or excise duty as well as low freight and packing cost are very important factors.

Especially when you are not competing on labour costs

It has a lot to do with market familiarity. You will be way more familiar with your local neighbours than half a world away. You will be much more comfortable on average with people who your know and trust in your organization that also are familiar. You will travel and meet more often and you will be more comfortable on average with regional customs than alien ones half a world away. 50% of Canada's GDP is dependent on the US - our closest large market (then the EU) which is across the pond.... It is those that it is important to get the best access to their markets because of this. The UK is walking the opposite way. They seem to think that ... the US will be chomping at the bit to sign an agreement that will give the UK access like it has in the EU.... not even close. US is still fairly protectionist even though they portray the opposite. It is a very very long process to get a trade agreement, and only if the political winds make the congress give the executive branch fast-track authority (up or down vote only) rather than normal authority where you are dealing with every single little vested interest in Congress. Even then Congress is not the most friendly to trade agreements - it is all politics regardless of gain.

[MissAndry]

It has a lot to do with market familiarity. You will be way more familiar with your local neighbours than half a world away. You will be much more comfortable on average with people who your know and trust in your organization that also are familiar. You will travel and meet more often and you will be more comfortable on average with regional customs than alien ones half a world away. 50% of Canada's GDP is dependent on the US - our closest large market (then the EU) which is across the pond.... It is those that it is important to get the best access to their markets because of this. The UK is walking the opposite way. They seem to think that ... the US will be chomping at the bit to sign an agreement that will give the UK access like it has in the EU.... not even close. US is still fairly protectionist even though they portray the opposite. It is a very very long process to get a trade agreement, and only if the political winds make the congress give the executive branch fast-track authority (up or down vote only) rather than normal authority where you are dealing with every single little vested interest in Congress. Even then Congress is not the most friendly to trade agreements - it is all politics regardless of gain.

I've lived in the UK a long time, but I've never bought anything from Europe, made loads of purchases from China and the USA. The prices in Europe are too high, and the European companies and transportation/postal system just aren't user friendly.

I'm thinking all your experiences are Canada/USA being close. Well the USA is close to everywhere in the world. Just try to buy something from Italy or Germany, totally different experience.

Edited July 6, 2016 by MissAndry

[SheungWan]

Do you? Or a list? Or anything comprehensive that would back up Farage's assertion? Providing proof is incumbent upon the person making the assertion.

Well, 4 out of the 6 captioned didn't have proper jobs.

So if the rest are in the same proportion Mr. F would be right.

Some of Farage's defenders here are even more ridiculous than Farage's own comments.

I think he's a plonker, but that doesn't change my view that a political science lecturer isn't a 'proper job'

Scientific officer for whale hugger charity, army officer purchased by posh parents, philosophy professor ...... I don't think so.

Not forgetting Farage has never had a proper job either.

I'm betting you've never had a proper job either.

And before you ask, my proper job was producing and raising children.

The Brexit Dummies Guide To Economics

[dick dasterdly]

It has a lot to do with market familiarity. You will be way more familiar with your local neighbours than half a world away. You will be much more comfortable on average with people who your know and trust in your organization that also are familiar. You will travel and meet more often and you will be more comfortable on average with regional customs than alien ones half a world away. 50% of Canada's GDP is dependent on the US - our closest large market (then the EU) which is across the pond.... It is those that it is important to get the best access to their markets because of this. The UK is walking the opposite way. They seem to think that ... the US will be chomping at the bit to sign an agreement that will give the UK access like it has in the EU.... not even close. US is still fairly protectionist even though they portray the opposite. It is a very very long process to get a trade agreement, and only if the political winds make the congress give the executive branch fast-track authority (up or down vote only) rather than normal authority where you are dealing with every single little vested interest in Congress. Even then Congress is not the most friendly to trade agreements - it is all politics regardless of gain.

I've lived in the UK a long time, but I've never bought anything from Europe, made loads of purchases from China and the USA. The prices in Europe are too high, and the European companies and transportation/postal system just aren't user friendly.

I'm thinking all your experiences are Canada/USA being close. Well the USA is close to everywhere in the world. Just try to buy something from Italy or Germany, totally different experience.

Count yourself lucky. Living in Thailand I tried to buy some (unusual) dog beds on the internet yesterday - only to discover that the US suppliers won't deliver to Thailand.

China also manufacture them, but the online sellers were wholesalers - and only selling in large quantities.

Off topic, and I apologise.

[mommysboy]

Wonder who will bear the cost of all the welfare cuts we will be having. Personally given the spread of voters I would say the elderly were most for Brexit so it's only fair they should be first in line. Regrettable.

[Mangostin]

Count yourself lucky. Living in Thailand I tried to buy some (unusual) dog beds on the internet yesterday - only to discover that the US suppliers won't deliver to Thailand.

China also manufacture them, but the online sellers were wholesalers - and only selling in large quantities.

Off topic, and I apologise.

Why you need to over complicate your life with this sort of stuff?

Just vote for a Breedog, so by increasing the number of your dogs you will have an exact number to match a wholesale import of dog's beds, then simply resign by escaping the house as soon as the situation will be a complete mess and leave (as long as you choose "leave" you'll be always ok, apparently), whoever else behind to deal with the situation you've created....rule Britannia!

[mommysboy]

Count yourself lucky. Living in Thailand I tried to buy some (unusual) dog beds on the internet yesterday - only to discover that the US suppliers won't deliver to Thailand.

China also manufacture them, but the online sellers were wholesalers - and only selling in large quantities.

Off topic, and I apologise.

There are any number of dog beds available on the.com site from China some of them free post to Thailand, although I am not sure what you mean by unusual. Obviously if you are after something quite specialist then options will of course be limited.

Although off topic a bit, it could illustrate the difference between those that have business acumen and those that don't in all honesty.

Edited July 6, 2016 by mommysboy

[dick dasterdly]

Wonder who will bear the cost of all the welfare cuts we will be having. Personally given the spread of voters I would say the elderly were most for Brexit so it's only fair they should be first in line. Regrettable.

The 'grey' vote is quite large, and politicians are v wary of hitting OAPs.

Its not only the OAPs who get bad-tempered about this. Those coming up to retirement age (especially nowadays when company pensions are FAR less generous) and middle-aged children with OAP parents (that they can't afford to support themselves) also tend to be unhappy about reductions in the state pension.

[mommysboy]

Wonder who will bear the cost of all the welfare cuts we will be having. Personally given the spread of voters I would say the elderly were most for Brexit so it's only fair they should be first in line. Regrettable.

The 'grey' vote is quite large, and politicians are v wary of hitting OAPs.

Its not only the OAPs who get bad-tempered about this. Those coming up to retirement age (especially nowadays when company pensions are FAR less generous) and middle-aged children with OAP parents (that they can't afford to support themselves) also tend to be unhappy about reductions in the state pension.

Well it's only fair. There will be a temporary cost to independence. It has to be paid for. They as a group were all for it, and are always banging on about backbone, etc.

Difficult choices to be made.

There will have to cuts across the board remember. This is going to be tough for everyone.

Edited July 6, 2016 by mommysboy

[mommysboy]

But don't worry, UK cash is taking care of folk all around the world, folk pensioners who have paid into a system know nothing about, they also don't know what that cash is used for, but pensioners must pay..............

That will have to stop too. No gain for Uk in charity.

[MissAndry]

Wonder who will bear the cost of all the welfare cuts we will be having. Personally given the spread of voters I would say the elderly were most for Brexit so it's only fair they should be first in line. Regrettable.

I've never claimed welfare, don't see the need for it, work or starve.

[mommysboy]

It has a lot to do with market familiarity. You will be way more familiar with your local neighbours than half a world away. You will be much more comfortable on average with people who your know and trust in your organization that also are familiar. You will travel and meet more often and you will be more comfortable on average with regional customs than alien ones half a world away. 50% of Canada's GDP is dependent on the US - our closest large market (then the EU) which is across the pond.... It is those that it is important to get the best access to their markets because of this. The UK is walking the opposite way. They seem to think that ... the US will be chomping at the bit to sign an agreement that will give the UK access like it has in the EU.... not even close. US is still fairly protectionist even though they portray the opposite. It is a very very long process to get a trade agreement, and only if the political winds make the congress give the executive branch fast-track authority (up or down vote only) rather than normal authority where you are dealing with every single little vested interest in Congress. Even then Congress is not the most friendly to trade agreements - it is all politics regardless of gain.

I've lived in the UK a long time, but I've never bought anything from Europe, made loads of purchases from China and the USA. The prices in Europe are too high, and the European companies and transportation/postal system just aren't user friendly.

I'm thinking all your experiences are Canada/USA being close. Well the USA is close to everywhere in the world. Just try to buy something from Italy or Germany, totally different experience.

I agree buying and selling to EU is a bit of a nightmare. Just try Germany for instance. Those guys do not like imports.

[dick dasterdly]

But don't worry, UK cash is taking care of folk all around the world, folk pensioners who have paid into a system know nothing about, they also don't know what that cash is used for, but pensioners must pay..............

That will have to stop too. No gain for Uk in charity.

V true, except the foreign aid budget is largely used so that the money provided is given back via contracts to large UK companies.

Its all a corrupt merry-go-round, and politicians have no intention of stopping this as they too will benefit in the form of directorships/consultancies etc. etc.

Blair is a prime example....