From London, with love: tens of thousands rally against Brexit vote

[mopar71]

It is probably beyond your intellectual capacity to understand that what you have just posted is nothing more than a steaming pile of horse manure.

Keep the insults flowing, it really highlights your limitations.

I blame the skools.

Yup. Next time, those knuckleheads should get out and vote.

If they're too ignorant to figure out what a referendum is, they have only themselves to blame.

The entire 'Leave' argument was based on keeping those filthy foreigners out. Typical racist Right Wing clap trap.

What should have been debated was the economic benefits of staying or leaving the EU.

Immigration was the top reason given by only 41% of Leave voters. That means 59% of over 17 million - or 10 million people - had higher priorities for voting Leave.

[Steely Dan]

How 2016, middle class progressives and their spoilt millennial brats use their democratic right to protest against the democratic mandate of the proletariat, the largest vote for anything ever in UK political history.

[Eclipse]

The referendum produced a small majority based on lies and racist bigotry.

Hardly a glowing mandate.

We can only hope that PM Teresa May manages to slow down or halt this mad rush to oblivion.

I am thrilled to be one of the 53%+ English voters who achieved the magnificent LEAVE victory.

Thrilled to have helped wreck the U.K economy and spread racial hatred.

Congratulations. Enjoy it.

[mommysboy]

How 2016, middle class progressives and their spoilt millennial brats use their democratic right to protest against the democratic mandate of the proletariat, the largest vote for anything ever in UK political history.

It's an incredibly contentious referendum for numerous reasons. Brexiters won, end of, but must expect to be reviled by the 48% that didn't agree. Get used to it.

I do agree millenials appear to be a total washout. And I thought I was a mommysboy.

Edited July 3, 2016 by mommysboy

[dick dasterdly]

The entire 'Leave' argument was based on keeping those filthy foreigners out. Typical racist Right Wing clap trap.

There's a racist component to it, no doubt. But even limiting the discussion to immigration, there are legitimate concerns about throwing the borders wide open to people who come from countries where they're willing to work for a pittance, to compete with our kids for a dwindling number of decent paying careers as our leaders preside over the mass offshoring of good careers- to be replaced with marginal and low wage, low security service jobs.

And that has nothing to do with racism or filthy foreigners, or even the current events related to terrorism. Just dwindling career opportunities for our kids for the benefit of the corporations who love importing low wage labor.

Edit: Corporations who love importing low wage labor and then exporting all the profits to countries where they won't have to pay taxes on it.

Great post.

[DoctorB]

May be they should have all got out of bed, or been bothered to vote in the first place then they might have won

I think it was a case of Brexters thought they wouldn't win but voted that way anyway (because it was their choice), and Remainers thought they would win easily so some didn't bother to vote

I'm a leaver and I didn't vote either.

Don't try to convince anyone the vote would have been different.

So to sum up,

Brexiters are all old, stupid, poorly educated with funny regional accents, but get up early and vote.

Remainers are all young, intelligent, well educated Londoners, but too lazy to ever do anything important like vote.

But Wait!

This video should be named artificial intelligence.

As she says in the video it´s her "workinguniform" she works at Cyberdog in Camden.

Soclialist workers certainly seem to have changed their image since the days of Lenin and Trotsky.

[up2u2]

The entire 'Leave' argument was based on keeping those filthy foreigners out. Typical racist Right Wing clap trap.

There's a racist component to it, no doubt. But even limiting the discussion to immigration, there are legitimate concerns about throwing the borders wide open to people who come from countries where they're willing to work for a pittance, to compete with our kids for a dwindling number of decent paying careers as our leaders preside over the mass offshoring of good careers- to be replaced with marginal and low wage, low security service jobs.

And that has nothing to do with racism or filthy foreigners, or even the current events related to terrorism. Just dwindling career opportunities for our kids for the benefit of the corporations who love importing low wage labor.

Edit: Corporations who love importing low wage labor and then exporting all the profits to countries where they won't have to pay taxes on it.

So nothing really to do with being part of the EU. More to do with the requirement for strong workplace wage regulations and strong Union oversight to ensure workers wages are protected. Oh that's right Maggie smashed all the Unions didn't she. Damn straight Employers will import cheap skilled tradesmen. Ask how many welders a Company that is importing a qualified welder from overseas have trained over the past four years. Answer ZERO. Cheaper just to import them from overseas. If you think UK Companies give a rats about the children your living in fairy tale land. They don't. Of course Austerity measures mean cuts to Trades training programs, right? Plenty of money for Corporate Tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. Right?

So really nothing to do with being part of the EU.

Now eat your lumpy porridge.

[impulse]

How 2016, middle class progressives and their spoilt millennial brats use their democratic right to protest against the democratic mandate of the proletariat, the largest vote for anything ever in UK political history.

It's an incredibly contentious referendum for numerous reasons. Brexiters won, end of, but must expect to be reviled by the 48% that didn't agree. Get used to it.

Changing gears here just a little. How about a purely statistical view?

Any statistics wonks out there? I've fried too many brains cells in the decades since Stats 203. I'll need some help with the Sigmas here.

Given the population of 50 million voters, and the sampling size of 30 million votes, what are the chances that the same vote the same day would have turned out differently had it, for instance, rained? Or if there hadn't been any football hooligan press? Or if 40 million had voted instead of 30 million (or 20 million?)

Forgetting all the voter self selection biases, and leaving out conditions that affect turnout like weather and day of the week, etc, what would be the margin of uncertainty of a 52-48% vote based on the population and sample size alone?

Edit: Don't forget to show your work...

Edited July 3, 2016 by impulse

[dick dasterdly]

The entire 'Leave' argument was based on keeping those filthy foreigners out. Typical racist Right Wing clap trap.

There's a racist component to it, no doubt. But even limiting the discussion to immigration, there are legitimate concerns about throwing the borders wide open to people who come from countries where they're willing to work for a pittance, to compete with our kids for a dwindling number of decent paying careers as our leaders preside over the mass offshoring of good careers- to be replaced with marginal and low wage, low security service jobs.

And that has nothing to do with racism or filthy foreigners, or even the current events related to terrorism. Just dwindling career opportunities for our kids for the benefit of the corporations who love importing low wage labor.

Edit: Corporations who love importing low wage labor and then exporting all the profits to countries where they won't have to pay taxes on it.

So nothing really to do with being part of the EU. More to do with the requirement for strong workplace wage regulations and strong Union oversight to ensure workers wages are protected. Oh that's right Maggie smashed all the Unions didn't she. Damn straight Employers will import cheap skilled tradesmen. Ask how many welders a Company that is importing a qualified welder from overseas have trained over the past four years. Answer ZERO. Cheaper just to import them from overseas. If you think UK Companies give a rats about the children your living in fairy tale land. They don't. Of course Austerity measures mean cuts to Trades training programs, right? Plenty of money for Corporate Tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. Right?

So really nothing to do with being part of the EU.

Now eat your lumpy porridge.

Always interesting to hear from a remainer that has no idea of the actual arguments and prefers to rely on their own uninformed opinion.

You really must watch the youtube video shown earlier in this thread. You'll love her.

[dick dasterdly]

I'm a leaver and I didn't vote either.

Don't try to convince anyone the vote would have been different.

So to sum up,

Brexiters are all old, stupid, poorly educated with funny regional accents, but get up early and vote.

Remainers are all young, intelligent, well educated Londoners, but too lazy to ever do anything important like vote.

But Wait!

This video should be named artificial intelligence.

As she says in the video it´s her "workinguniform" she works at Cyberdog in Camden.

Soclialist workers certainly seem to have changed their image since the days of Lenin and Trotsky.

And yet again the thing you're missing is that many socialists voted against remaining in the EU....

Oddly, many socialists are against globalisation and the obscene EU salaries and expenditure to the already rich.

Edit - not to mention people coming from v poor countries and under-cutting the wages of the already poorly paid.

Edited July 3, 2016 by dick dasterdly

[SgtRock]

The philosopher John Gray argues that Brexit will have a greater impact on the EU than it will on the UK. And he predicts the British experience is likely to be repeated across much of continental Europe

Worth a listen.

Nails it for me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hj8bv

[Basil B]

We voted leave ...but we were only joking.

I voted remain, but I accept the result now let get on with it and make the best of a bad decision.

Lets show most of those other countries in the EU who are unhappy with it there is another alternative, maybe in a few years there will be a new European Union based on what was good with the present EU and leaving out the bad.

[DoctorB]

Despite some low-level instructions from the leaders of both camps that everyone's individual vote mattered, they failed to explain exactly HOW it mattered and the majority of voters still thought it was just like a general election where a constituency of votes mattered. In reality, every individual vote mattered. The 'electoral' fallacy was maintained by the media insistence in calling the vote by electoral regions, just like an election. Just because the Referendum had to be based on the same voters registration districts as a general election, calling it like a General Election only compounded the misconception. This has created the Regrexit crowd. The relevance of who voted for what from where, how old they were, their education or gender is of absolutely no significance except in the post-mortem of why Remain lost the vote and those who relish playing the divisive game. The Remain lost for the same reasons the Brexits won; a fundamentally flawed perception on how a Referendum works.

I agree that the people were asked to decide but the people can't implement anything that they have decided, only their elected MP's looking out for their constituents best interests can do that. The UK's common law is as precarious as the EU's lack of clarity on how and when Article 50 gets activated; keeping in mind that this is unbroken ground for both parties and not getting anything wrong that sets a precedent for future, easier exiteers is paramount in the EU right now. The whole exercise is at still risk due to capricious inter-party politics in Westminster and in Strasbourg.

Sorry but you are wrong. The referendum was not based on the same districts as a general election. The referendum districts were much larger. In a general election I vote in Witham East; in the referendum this was part of the Braintree area. London voted by boroughs not parliamentary constituencies and 5 boroughs voted to leave; London did not vote uniformly to remain. The area where constiuencies were grouped most obviously into larger units for the referendum was Scotland. There was no "electoral fallacy". Most voters understood themselves to be voting in a binding referendum in electoral districts in most cases created for the purpose.

[impulse]

We voted leave ...but we were only joking.

I voted remain, but I accept the result now let get on with it and make the best of a bad decision.

Lets show most of those other countries in the EU who are unhappy with it there is another alternative, maybe in a few years there will be a new European Union based on what was good with the present EU and leaving out the bad.

Let's see, what would you call it?

I know:

The British Empire.

[dick dasterdly]

We voted leave ...but we were only joking.

I voted remain, but I accept the result now let get on with it and make the best of a bad decision.

Lets show most of those other countries in the EU who are unhappy with it there is another alternative, maybe in a few years there will be a new European Union based on what was good with the present EU and leaving out the bad.

Why on earth would you believe that? Because you believe the propaganda promulgated by the UK media....

Always best to make up your own mind - regardless of media propaganda.

[lucky11]

Once again, emotionally fragile people, unable to tolerate not getting their own way, huddle together in a mass virtue signalling event, massaging their bruised little egos, hoping that the nasty people will go away.

I always thought that the purpose of a referendum was to establish the democratic majority view.

They should stop the protesters from protesting as it against democratic principles to do so.

[mommysboy]

How 2016, middle class progressives and their spoilt millennial brats use their democratic right to protest against the democratic mandate of the proletariat, the largest vote for anything ever in UK political history.

It's an incredibly contentious referendum for numerous reasons. Brexiters won, end of, but must expect to be reviled by the 48% that didn't agree. Get used to it.

Changing gears here just a little. How about a purely statistical view?

Any statistics wonks out there? I've fried too many brains cells in the decades since Stats 203. I'll need some help with the Sigmas here.

Given the population of 50 million voters, and the sampling size of 30 million votes, what are the chances that the same vote the same day would have turned out differently had it, for instance, rained? Or if there hadn't been any football hooligan press? Or if 40 million had voted instead of 30 million (or 20 million?)

Forgetting all the voter self selection biases, and leaving out conditions that affect turnout like weather and day of the week, etc, what would be the margin of uncertainty of a 52-48% vote based on the population and sample size alone?

Edit: Don't forget to show your work...

Interesting post. I would love to know the answer. My guess- plus or minus 0 to 5%.

But the point is the vote was the vote. It's the only result that matters and is valid.

[dick dasterdly]

Once again, emotionally fragile people, unable to tolerate not getting their own way, huddle together in a mass virtue signalling event, massaging their bruised little egos, hoping that the nasty people will go away.

I always thought that the purpose of a referendum was to establish the democratic majority view.

They should stop the protesters from protesting as it against democratic principles to do so.

Neither of you make sense.

As a previous poster pointed out, Americans protested and eventually the govt. had to listen.

Similarly, protesters came out and (sort of) changed the poll tax.

In neither case was a referendum involved.

[dick dasterdly]

Once again, emotionally fragile people, unable to tolerate not getting their own way, huddle together in a mass virtue signalling event, massaging their bruised little egos, hoping that the nasty people will go away.

I always thought that the purpose of a referendum was to establish the democratic majority view.

They should stop the protesters from protesting as it against democratic principles to do so.

And that's where you're wrong. The definition of referendum is "a general vote by the electorate on a single political question that has been referred to them for a direct decision.".

[mommysboy]

The crucial point is getting enactment of Article 50. Even some Brexiters regard it something best delayed as a negotiating strategy. Plus it has yet to be determined if Parliament has to be consulted; if it does then even if MP's agree the second chamber could delay it if an Act of Parliament is required.

Edited July 3, 2016 by mommysboy

[dick dasterdly]

The crucial point is getting enactment of Article 50. Even some Brexiters regard it something best delayed as a negotiating strategy. Plus it has yet to be determined if Parliament has to be consulted; if it does then even if MP's agree the second chamber could delay it if an Act of Parliament is required.

Be that as it may, the democratic decision was to leave the EU.

Legal arguments won't impress the electorate (even many of the remain voters).

Edited July 3, 2016 by dick dasterdly

[Thaiwine]

The crucial point is getting enactment of Article 50. Even some Brexiters regard it something best delayed as a negotiating strategy. Plus it has yet to be determined if Parliament has to be consulted; if it does then even if MP's agree the second chamber could delay it if an Act of Parliament is required.

Both T May and M Gove have said enact next year, and D Cameron by quiting but not now, delays it until after a new PM,

I have a feeling they know something we don't and want to delay things.

[impulse]

It's an incredibly contentious referendum for numerous reasons. Brexiters won, end of, but must expect to be reviled by the 48% that didn't agree. Get used to it.

Changing gears here just a little. How about a purely statistical view?

Any statistics wonks out there? I've fried too many brains cells in the decades since Stats 203. I'll need some help with the Sigmas here.

Given the population of 50 million voters, and the sampling size of 30 million votes, what are the chances that the same vote the same day would have turned out differently had it, for instance, rained? Or if there hadn't been any football hooligan press? Or if 40 million had voted instead of 30 million (or 20 million?)

Forgetting all the voter self selection biases, and leaving out conditions that affect turnout like weather and day of the week, etc, what would be the margin of uncertainty of a 52-48% vote based on the population and sample size alone?

Edit: Don't forget to show your work...

Interesting post. I would love to know the answer. My guess- plus or minus 0 to 5%.

But the point is the vote was the vote. It's the only result that matters and is valid.

I agree, the milk is spilt.

But if I'm an MP pondering the consequences of giving the finger to the voters in preference to my corporate sponsors, I'd be calling in my statistician(s), if only for an excuse.

[mommysboy]

The crucial point is getting enactment of Article 50. Even some Brexiters regard it something best delayed as a negotiating strategy. Plus it has yet to be determined if Parliament has to be consulted; if it does then even if MP's agree the second chamber could delay it if an Act of Parliament is required.

Be that as it may, the democratic decision was to leave the EU.

Legal arguments won't impress the electorate (even many of the remain voters).

Remain won't win by protesting. They lost - end of.

If I was one of the 52% who voted leave, I'd be pretty unimpressed if it was overturned because of a demonstration.

The routes outlined above are all they have left now. At best I can only see a delay. But a delay may throw up a life line of some sort, eg, renegotiated deal with EU which makes the referendum redundant, or large, ongoing mass demonstartions, coupled with opinion polls that show a big majority in favour of remain.

Slim hope, but it's all remain have.

Edited July 3, 2016 by mommysboy

[dick dasterdly]

The crucial point is getting enactment of Article 50. Even some Brexiters regard it something best delayed as a negotiating strategy. Plus it has yet to be determined if Parliament has to be consulted; if it does then even if MP's agree the second chamber could delay it if an Act of Parliament is required.

Both T May and M Gove have said enact next year, and D Cameron by quiting but not now, delays it until after a new PM,

I have a feeling they know something we don't and want to delay things.

Which is why I think delay until a brexit MP is elected is fair enough - give the EU and markets time to get used to the idea.

But article 50 should be enacted once the new PM is in place IMO.

[up2u2]

There's a racist component to it, no doubt. But even limiting the discussion to immigration, there are legitimate concerns about throwing the borders wide open to people who come from countries where they're willing to work for a pittance, to compete with our kids for a dwindling number of decent paying careers as our leaders preside over the mass offshoring of good careers- to be replaced with marginal and low wage, low security service jobs.

And that has nothing to do with racism or filthy foreigners, or even the current events related to terrorism. Just dwindling career opportunities for our kids for the benefit of the corporations who love importing low wage labor.

Edit: Corporations who love importing low wage labor and then exporting all the profits to countries where they won't have to pay taxes on it.

So nothing really to do with being part of the EU. More to do with the requirement for strong workplace wage regulations and strong Union oversight to ensure workers wages are protected. Oh that's right Maggie smashed all the Unions didn't she. Damn straight Employers will import cheap skilled tradesmen. Ask how many welders a Company that is importing a qualified welder from overseas have trained over the past four years. Answer ZERO. Cheaper just to import them from overseas. If you think UK Companies give a rats about the children your living in fairy tale land. They don't. Of course Austerity measures mean cuts to Trades training programs, right? Plenty of money for Corporate Tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. Right?

So really nothing to do with being part of the EU.

Now eat your lumpy porridge.

Always interesting to hear from a remainer that has no idea of the actual arguments and prefers to rely on their own uninformed opinion.

You really must watch the youtube video shown earlier in this thread. You'll love her.

Well so far 41% of people who voted to leave did so based on racism and nothing to do with the economics of staying or leaving. So you tell me the economic benefits of leaving. I am yet to hear any person quantify the economic benefits of leaving the EU. Increase in GDP? increase in employment? increase in wages? strengthening of the Pound? AAA+ Credit Rating? Reduced inflation? Increased Foreign trade? Payment of national debt? Balanced budget forecast? Removal of Austerity? New Export deals? New Trade Deals that favour UK citizens and increase their wealth? Not just 'pie in the sky' some tangible numbers on the table.

If you can provide economic modelling that demonstrates the above it was a sensible vote to leave rather than stay in the EU.

When will the extra 350 million pounds a month start flowing into the NHS?

I have a big serving of lumpy porridge set aside for you.

[dick dasterdly]

There's a racist component to it, no doubt. But even limiting the discussion to immigration, there are legitimate concerns about throwing the borders wide open to people who come from countries where they're willing to work for a pittance, to compete with our kids for a dwindling number of decent paying careers as our leaders preside over the mass offshoring of good careers- to be replaced with marginal and low wage, low security service jobs.

And that has nothing to do with racism or filthy foreigners, or even the current events related to terrorism. Just dwindling career opportunities for our kids for the benefit of the corporations who love importing low wage labor.

Edit: Corporations who love importing low wage labor and then exporting all the profits to countries where they won't have to pay taxes on it.

So nothing really to do with being part of the EU. More to do with the requirement for strong workplace wage regulations and strong Union oversight to ensure workers wages are protected. Oh that's right Maggie smashed all the Unions didn't she. Damn straight Employers will import cheap skilled tradesmen. Ask how many welders a Company that is importing a qualified welder from overseas have trained over the past four years. Answer ZERO. Cheaper just to import them from overseas. If you think UK Companies give a rats about the children your living in fairy tale land. They don't. Of course Austerity measures mean cuts to Trades training programs, right? Plenty of money for Corporate Tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. Right?

So really nothing to do with being part of the EU.

Now eat your lumpy porridge.

Always interesting to hear from a remainer that has no idea of the actual arguments and prefers to rely on their own uninformed opinion.

You really must watch the youtube video shown earlier in this thread. You'll love her.

Well so far 41% of people who voted to leave did so based on racism and nothing to do with the economics of staying or leaving. So you tell me the economic benefits of leaving. I am yet to hear any person quantify the economic benefits of leaving the EU. Increase in GDP? increase in employment? increase in wages? strengthening of the Pound? AAA+ Credit Rating? Reduced inflation? Increased Foreign trade? Payment of national debt? Balanced budget forecast? Removal of Austerity? New Export deals? New Trade Deals that favour UK citizens and increase their wealth? Not just 'pie in the sky' some tangible numbers on the table.

If you can provide economic modelling that demonstrates the above it was a sensible vote to leave rather than stay in the EU.

When will the extra 350 million pounds a month start flowing into the NHS?

I have a big serving of lumpy porridge set aside for you.

Please go away until you actually have an opinion not based on media reports.

[brewsterbudgen]

...and then do we have a third for best of 3? On and on and on and on!

Yes, until a result which is in the best interests of the people is reached

Please explain just who do YOU think should decide what is in the best interests of the people?

You, me, politicians, any political party, the Queen or the Royal Family, the EU, France, Germany, Mickey Mouse?

If you claim that the people of the UK should decide, it may have escaped your notice that 51.8% of the people who ACTUALLY could be bothered to vote which was over 17 million people actually voted for a Brexit.

I was one of them.

From the tone of your posts you voted to stay.

Your side lost.

My side won.

A simple question for you.

If your side had won and my side had lost would you STILL have wanted another referendum?

So you genuinely believe that if Brexit had narrowly lost, the likes of UKIP would have just accepted it and not continued to campaign and push for another vote? Dream on!

I just want what is best for the UK and for future generations.

Not at all - UKIP would still have stood for election. Any protests etc. would have been ignored if the vote had gone the other way.

Much as is happening now - apart from those desperate to pursue any avenue to ignore the democratic vote.

Yes, that's how a parliamentary democracy works. Only parliament can extricate the UK from the EU. If UKIP/Brexiters were to gain a parliamentary majority, out we would go. Obviously there will be a political cost to parties/MPs who ignore the referendum result. Hence the fascinating political manouvering at the moment. Does anyone really believe Theresa May will follow through Brexit?

[mommysboy]

There's a racist component to it, no doubt. But even limiting the discussion to immigration, there are legitimate concerns about throwing the borders wide open to people who come from countries where they're willing to work for a pittance, to compete with our kids for a dwindling number of decent paying careers as our leaders preside over the mass offshoring of good careers- to be replaced with marginal and low wage, low security service jobs.

And that has nothing to do with racism or filthy foreigners, or even the current events related to terrorism. Just dwindling career opportunities for our kids for the benefit of the corporations who love importing low wage labor.

Edit: Corporations who love importing low wage labor and then exporting all the profits to countries where they won't have to pay taxes on it.

So nothing really to do with being part of the EU. More to do with the requirement for strong workplace wage regulations and strong Union oversight to ensure workers wages are protected. Oh that's right Maggie smashed all the Unions didn't she. Damn straight Employers will import cheap skilled tradesmen. Ask how many welders a Company that is importing a qualified welder from overseas have trained over the past four years. Answer ZERO. Cheaper just to import them from overseas. If you think UK Companies give a rats about the children your living in fairy tale land. They don't. Of course Austerity measures mean cuts to Trades training programs, right? Plenty of money for Corporate Tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. Right?

So really nothing to do with being part of the EU.

Now eat your lumpy porridge.

Always interesting to hear from a remainer that has no idea of the actual arguments and prefers to rely on their own uninformed opinion.

You really must watch the youtube video shown earlier in this thread. You'll love her.

Well so far 41% of people who voted to leave did so based on racism and nothing to do with the economics of staying or leaving. So you tell me the economic benefits of leaving. I am yet to hear any person quantify the economic benefits of leaving the EU. Increase in GDP? increase in employment? increase in wages? strengthening of the Pound? AAA+ Credit Rating? Reduced inflation? Increased Foreign trade? Payment of national debt? Balanced budget forecast? Removal of Austerity? New Export deals? New Trade Deals that favour UK citizens and increase their wealth? Not just 'pie in the sky' some tangible numbers on the table.

If you can provide economic modelling that demonstrates the above it was a sensible vote to leave rather than stay in the EU.

When will the extra 350 million pounds a month start flowing into the NHS?

I have a big serving of lumpy porridge set aside for you.

up2u2 - It doesn't matter. The vote is the vote. It's sound. There is no suggestion of electoral fraud. Sadly, I might add.

You will get nowhere arguing the validity of the result itself.

[mommysboy]

It's an incredibly contentious referendum for numerous reasons. Brexiters won, end of, but must expect to be reviled by the 48% that didn't agree. Get used to it.

Changing gears here just a little. How about a purely statistical view?

Any statistics wonks out there? I've fried too many brains cells in the decades since Stats 203. I'll need some help with the Sigmas here.

Given the population of 50 million voters, and the sampling size of 30 million votes, what are the chances that the same vote the same day would have turned out differently had it, for instance, rained? Or if there hadn't been any football hooligan press? Or if 40 million had voted instead of 30 million (or 20 million?)

Forgetting all the voter self selection biases, and leaving out conditions that affect turnout like weather and day of the week, etc, what would be the margin of uncertainty of a 52-48% vote based on the population and sample size alone?

Edit: Don't forget to show your work...

Interesting post. I would love to know the answer. My guess- plus or minus 0 to 5%.

But the point is the vote was the vote. It's the only result that matters and is valid.

I agree, the milk is spilt.

But if I'm an MP pondering the consequences of giving the finger to the voters in preference to my corporate sponsors, I'd be calling in my statistician(s), if only for an excuse.

A sound posting