webfact Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Government told to ease restrictions on political expressionsBANGKOK: -- Politicians, academics and members of the civil society agreed at a panel discussion on Monday that the government should ease restrictions on political activities and free political expressions during the leadup to the August 7 referendum.The panel discussion was jointly organized by Thai PBS, the Institute of Human Rights and Peace Studies of Mahidol University, iLAW and Women for Reform Movement and attended by academics and politicians.Associate Professor Yutthaporn Issarachai of Sukhothai Thammathirat University said that political conflicts would stage a comeback if the draft charter and accompanied questions passed the referendum because people who are stakeholders are denied the right of participation through restriction on free expressions.He suggested that restrictions should be eased to allow public participation through free political expressions.Mrs Thida Thavornseth, a core member of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship the draft constitution should be put to use temporarily if it fails to survive the referendum and a charter drafting assembly be formed to write a new charter.But former Pheu Thai party leader Chaturon Chaisaeng believes the draft charter will sail through the referendum and the NCPO is likely to cling on to power probably for the next 20 years.Representatives of the civil society the ban on political gathering of more than five people has deprived the public’s right of participation in the charter writing and referendum processes.Election commissioner Somchai Srisutthiyakorn called on all sectors of the Thai society to join in the discussions of the draft charter so that they can make informed voting in the referendum.Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/government-told-ease-restrictions-political-expressions/ -- Thai PBS 2016-07-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2fishin2 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Cannot, not junta way. Get out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Fox Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I can see a group booking in the re-education boot camp coming up for these participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The night of the long day is now starting to play out in Thailand, the end result of a Junta leader ever so mindful of his own shortcomings and not allowing for the proper process to play out, Prayut is now coming slowly to the end of the rope , if the referendum is defeated he will do either two things , come out swinging or be stubborn and stay , the daily opposition to the Junta is now becoming a regular event , the next step is street protest ( Which have started quietly ) and then public unrest , and if the referendum is passed Khun Chaturon could very well be correct , a Junta controlled parliament for at least 20 years , the people have spoken , something to look forward 2................. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! Edited July 5, 2016 by trogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! well you would not be referring to 'those' in green who shot into the temple killing a nurse and others now would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! well you would not be referring to 'those' in green who shot into the temple killing a nurse and others now would you? Who was the Commanding Officer at that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! Yes, much better now. A whole nation in political stasis, ruled by a small, entitled elite who apparently are willing to do just about anything in their desperation to cling to power. Or has anything this junta has done made you confident that after 12 coups where absolutely NOTHING changed this time around will be different? Tell me, what is it that instills confidence? Is it the "PM" himself, the rest of his team, the decisive lottery reform.....what is it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 "...the NCPO is likely to cling on to power probably for the next 20 years..." The Election Commissioner should be made to explain just how all sectors of the Thai society can join in the discussions of the draft charter when the junta has banned "political" gatherings of more than five people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo2014 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Lay some honey to catch a wasp hey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The night of the long day is now starting to play out in Thailand, the end result of a Junta leader ever so mindful of his own shortcomings and not allowing for the proper process to play out, Prayut is now coming slowly to the end of the rope , if the referendum is defeated he will do either two things , come out swinging or be stubborn and stay , the daily opposition to the Junta is now becoming a regular event , the next step is street protest ( Which have started quietly ) and then public unrest , and if the referendum is passed Khun Chaturon could very well be correct , a Junta controlled parliament for at least 20 years , the people have spoken , something to look forward 2................. . If there is a Junta controlled government for the next 20 years the people have not spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? As opposed to the govt who are ALL armed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! well you would not be referring to 'those' in green who shot into the temple killing a nurse and others now would you? Those in green do not need to lie prone under the nurse's skirt, who was killed in thr cross fire of the black skirts using innocents as cover...ahh..what brave warriors they were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! well you would not be referring to 'those' in green who shot into the temple killing a nurse and others now would you? Those in green do not need to lie prone under the nurse's skirt, who was killed in thr cross fire of the black skirts using innocents as cover...ahh..what brave warriors they were... clearly you have evidence of interest to the RTP in the investigation of these shootings. I am sure you are not, repeating hearsay. Please do the whole country a favour and pass on the damning evidence you possess to the correct authorities so those involved in shooting innocent people from under women's skirts can be identified and brought to justice. Pity you did not do so when this was initially investigated, but - hey - better late than never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwiken Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Salvation and sanity finally blew thru the door. Oh No it was a flatulent member of the junta left the loo door open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 OK, we'll meet the panel's demand halfway. There will be no restriction on political expression (if the said expressions are unabashedly supportive). We'll maintain restrictions on the other half. That seems a reasonable compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 "Told" in a headline and a "suggestion" in the body. And here I am still trying to reconcile the "Home Security Bill" with the concept of supreme democracy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The Thai regime took a long time to create its charter. The clock is ticking and even if they suddenly let people speak you could probably say that the time that the people have to figure out the charter is not enough. By not letting the people openly discuss this everywhere they've failed the legitimacy test. A lot of older Thais can't even read well, some not at all. This charter is what 105 pages, 279 articles. Most still have no understanding of it including educated people. Open discussion and criticism of it is the only way for it to be legit. My feeling is no one really cares or will take it seriously. For Thais it's always been a scrap of paper that has never helped people or lived up to others like it around the globe. In the end, the law is always broken and the wealthy, powerful and privileged can walk over their rights. I don't expect it to pass but I suspect the courts of the nation will face a lot of problems if it is enacted. That's just going to happen with any constitution enacted but without any serious input form the people and others in society as it is coming at them through a black hole I expect some real future shock and legal confusion. Anyways even if the powers that be allow free expression it's getting late. The legitimacy rests on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The Thai regime took a long time to create its charter. The clock is ticking and even if they suddenly let people speak you could probably say that the time that the people have to figure out the charter is not enough. By not letting the people openly discuss this everywhere they've failed the legitimacy test. A lot of older Thais can't even read well, some not at all. This charter is what 105 pages, 279 articles. Most still have no understanding of it including educated people. Open discussion and criticism of it is the only way for it to be legit. My feeling is no one really cares or will take it seriously. For Thais it's always been a scrap of paper that has never helped people or lived up to others like it around the globe. In the end, the law is always broken and the wealthy, powerful and privileged can walk over their rights. I don't expect it to pass but I suspect the courts of the nation will face a lot of problems if it is enacted. That's just going to happen with any constitution enacted but without any serious input form the people and others in society as it is coming at them through a black hole I expect some real future shock and legal confusion. Anyways even if the powers that be allow free expression it's getting late. The legitimacy rests on them. Mostly valid comment. However also applies to any previous despite those were instituted without any discussion. And it cannot be denied that invitation to attend nationwide discussion (attracting critiscism for attempted propaganda) has been encouraged. But as said legitimacy rests with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Those in green do not need to lie prone under the nurse's skirt, who was killed in thr cross fire of the black skirts using innocents as cover...ahh..what brave warriors they were... pity the facts do not fit your biased 'opinion' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Thailand needs political expression and it needs musicians who produce meaningful music about society and the abuse of governments. That critical musical aspect of protest doesn't seem to exist in Thailand and in the west it has certainly faded quite a lot compared to the old days. And for all the Thais living abroad there is very little produced by them which is critical of the conditions in Thailand. Once they get residency or citizenship abroad, most don't care about the reasons that drove them to greener pastures. To be fair I guess many abroad just fear losing the right to see their family in Thailand again. Thailand punishes families along with the people they see as perpetrators. Silence of the Thais abroad doesn't help their families in Thailand. just pointing out that aspect. The western world is capitalism before human rights so there are few heroes there too. Anyways, in Thailand sticks and stones will break bones but names will do much more damage says the powers that be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linksman00 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Even for groups with an armed terrorist wing? please don't refer to the army that way I was thinking of those black shirts shooting proned under women's skirts, lobbing grenades at children, and turning away protesting farmers at Friendship bridges...Yup, those glorious days of Democracy! well you would not be referring to 'those' in green who shot into the temple killing a nurse and others now would you? Or perhaps those yellow shirt mobs seizing control of the Airport, ah yes the heady days of progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linksman00 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I can see a group booking in the re-education boot camp coming up for these participants. Brer fox, Those were my exact thought when reading this article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 OK, we'll meet the panel's demand halfway. There will be no restriction on political expression (if the said expressions are unabashedly supportive). We'll maintain restrictions on the other half. That seems a reasonable compromise. Said in jest but sadly that is precisely what the country has now. My guess, it will be a miracle if this thing fails again, many think the decision has been made for the people. No international observers. No open discussion on the draft. If it fails we have an alternative. I will not step down. There will be elections in 2015, 2016, 2017,,,,,,,,,, I don't know if there will be elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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