Moving? Here's a little anecdote

[berybert]

I have worked for a removal company for the best part of 30 years, spent a while working for Allied Pickfords in Bangkok. It amazes me that people look for cheap and cheerful when moving their most cherished possessions.

Was it worth the added stress to save a few thousand baht ?

Sure the pro's don't always get it right but they get it right 99% more often than Joe Bloggs will.

The thing with removals is anyone can do it, well anyone can do it until they start doing it.

You wouldn't let someone off the street with no experience to fix the brakes on your car. But you would trust them to pack things in your house that are far move valuable.

Amazing.

[KittenKong]

The joys of renting

Someone who moves from one owned house to another would never have similar problems? I dont see why.

Most of the problems described boil down to dishonesty and lack of morals, rather than anything to do with ownership. Dishonesty and lack of morals are par for the course here.

[dcnx]

The joys of renting

Because owners move into one place and die there?

People move. Renters and owners.

[KittenKong]

You don't have any Thai friends.

You may have some Thais waiting for their opportunity to make some cash out of you.

I've only been here two months, and I know that, guess you're a slow learner.

Glad it worked out OK in the end for you. Enjoy your new home.

I have Thai friends who've never asked for any cash.

Possibly you have nothing to offer but cash.

I have no Thai friends, but as I have never met one that I had anything in common with that's not really any surprise. Nor do I think it's any loss. But perhaps when you say "friends" you really mean "acquaintances"? I have a few of those, but I would not rely on them for anything in the way that people can rely on me.

The OP's long and sad tale can be boiled down into a few short and not-so-sweet phrases. Trust no one, always assume that you are being lied to, and always check everything yourself. If at all possible always do everything yourself. That way you wont have many disappointments here.

[mcfish]

The joys of renting

Because owners move into one place and die there?

People move. Renters and owners.

Stability. Ive been here same home 15 years and close friends have moved several times while renting in that period.

Renters are at the mercy of landlords and can be forced out form a number of reasons eg, owner jacks rent, owner decides to sell, owner wants to move back in , house falls into disrepair .....and to top it off you gotta fight for your 2 months deposit at times, lots of horror stories there and its well documented so please dont tell me that are the same thing

Edited July 23, 2016 by mcfish

[Berty100]

You don't have any Thai friends.

You may have some Thais waiting for their opportunity to make some cash out of you.

I've only been here two months, and I know that, guess you're a slow learner.

Glad it worked out OK in the end for you. Enjoy your new home.

Only 2 months in Thailand and looking at your post you claim to know Thailand already much better than others who are here for decades.

Amazing.

[fey]

problems started when you let thais friends/relatives become involved to closely.
i would have set boundries when they came over and were looking through the house before you moved in.

maybe you will get lucky and they are gone, but things could get worse if they keep coming over.

when i moved i used a thai agent but only became involved with the thais around as absolutely necessary. i wanted a good scene and vetted any problems before they sprouted. after the payment and contract doors were locked and anything i could do myself i did myself. even though it was a good scene he did make an unprofessional quip about his commission at the meeting after the contract was signed.

your dealing mostly with people with a high school education in a country where the education system is not that great and many cant problem solve or keep financial records clear. people just go into jobs without training and 'wing it'.

[joebrown]

I have worked for a removal company for the best part of 30 years, spent a while working for Allied Pickfords in Bangkok. It amazes me that people look for cheap and cheerful when moving their most cherished possessions.

Was it worth the added stress to save a few thousand baht ?

Sure the pro's don't always get it right but they get it right 99% more often than Joe Bloggs will.

The thing with removals is anyone can do it, well anyone can do it until they start doing it.

You wouldn't let someone off the street with no experience to fix the brakes on your car. But you would trust them to pack things in your house that are far move valuable.

Amazing.

I have recently moved 500 km north from Pattaya to Central Thailand. I tried to obtain quotes from 3 supposedly reputable Bangkok removal companies, and only 1 of them replied to my emails. The furniture I wanted moved was minimal, being the contents of a 1 bedroom condo. I was shocked when I received the quote of 75,000bt. I told my friends and they thought it was a joke, or they didn't want the business. Through this forum I was advised to contact the rental trucks usually parked along Sukhumvit Road in Pattaya. I did this and I rented a small 6 wheeler with driver (and 2 assistants for up-loading only). Apart from a 1.5 hr delay in loading because of a tropical storm the whole removal was carried out the same day and without any damage to my furniture. The total cost, including labour......10,000bt! I didn't contact Pickfords, but I've no doubt they could have done a satisfactory job, but at what cost??

[sead]

The moving should have been handled by your ex. There are 2 houses i know of now owned by Danish people renting out for 15000 bht. So changing house should never be a problem in pattaya

[zaZa9]

You don't have any Thai friends.

You may have some Thais waiting for their opportunity to make some cash out of you.

I've only been here two months, and I know that, guess you're a slow learner.

Glad it worked out OK in the end for you. Enjoy your new home.

I have Thai friends who've never asked for any cash.

Possibly you have nothing to offer but cash.

And you definitely have nothing useful to offer. Only negativity . Period.

With BMs like you , who could be bothered writing their story ...

Edited July 23, 2016 by zaZa9

[berybert]

I have worked for a removal company for the best part of 30 years, spent a while working for Allied Pickfords in Bangkok. It amazes me that people look for cheap and cheerful when moving their most cherished possessions.

Was it worth the added stress to save a few thousand baht ?

Sure the pro's don't always get it right but they get it right 99% more often than Joe Bloggs will.

The thing with removals is anyone can do it, well anyone can do it until they start doing it.

You wouldn't let someone off the street with no experience to fix the brakes on your car. But you would trust them to pack things in your house that are far move valuable.

Amazing.

I have recently moved 500 km north from Pattaya to Central Thailand. I tried to obtain quotes from 3 supposedly reputable Bangkok removal companies, and only 1 of them replied to my emails. The furniture I wanted moved was minimal, being the contents of a 1 bedroom condo. I was shocked when I received the quote of 75,000bt. I told my friends and they thought it was a joke, or they didn't want the business. Through this forum I was advised to contact the rental trucks usually parked along Sukhumvit Road in Pattaya. I did this and I rented a small 6 wheeler with driver (and 2 assistants for up-loading only). Apart from a 1.5 hr delay in loading because of a tropical storm the whole removal was carried out the same day and without any damage to my furniture. The total cost, including labour......10,000bt! I didn't contact Pickfords, but I've no doubt they could have done a satisfactory job, but at what cost??

Indeed at this time of year they would not have wanted your business. June ,July and August are the months that the Bangkok based removal companies are 100% concentrating on overseas moves and making their big money.

The cost of local moves goes thru the roof at this time of year. But in fairness to them if you have the chance of moving someone from Bangkok to New York for half a million baht or someone from Pattaya to Central Thailand for 10,000 baht, what would you prefer.

I know the guys at Pickfords in Bangkok have a staff of about 20 removal men, these guys are paid 6 days a week 52 weeks of the year. Over the busy period they will be working their nuts off. For the rest of the year, 9 months, roughly 10 to 15 of those guys will be sat in the yard doing very little as there is no work. But their boss keeps them on as he likes to keep people who know what they are doing. Hence the fact I'd call it a professional service.

The people you used probably made a few thousand Baht for their days work. And everybody is happy. They will then sit by the side of the road waiting for there next job. Which could be a week or longer.

Where as a professional company would have had to drive back to Bangkok with an empty van. Earning nothing but paying the staff.

Edited July 23, 2016 by berybert

[Stradavarius37]

Learn to write with more brevity.

[Blue Muton]

Sounds about right. At least you're finally settled and it's over.

Though, I'll add that using a "professional" company is often just as dodgy as using Porn and Somchai from down the street. It's all a toss of the coin here.

Just be thankful you haven't tried to build or remodel a house yet. It's all of that PLUS tons more Thai crap added to the recipie. It literally almost turned me into a drunk. Worst experience of my life. How anything gets built in this country is beyond me.

We had our house designed and built in Thailand by Thais. We now have a fantastic home which we moved into just over a year ago. The architect was very good as was the builder and all of his staff and various contractors. They were doing such a great job that we gave a small (by western standards) bonus to all of the regular workers. Some of them were in tears as they'd never received anything like that before.

Our experience was incredibly positive and I'm sure we're not alone. No need for wild generalisations from either of us based on our experiences.

[bazza40]

You don't have any Thai friends.

You may have some Thais waiting for their opportunity to make some cash out of you.

I've only been here two months, and I know that, guess you're a slow learner.

Glad it worked out OK in the end for you. Enjoy your new home.

I have Thai friends who've never asked for any cash.

Possibly you have nothing to offer but cash.

I have no Thai friends, but as I have never met one that I had anything in common with that's not really any surprise. Nor do I think it's any loss. But perhaps when you say "friends" you really mean "acquaintances"? I have a few of those, but I would not rely on them for anything in the way that people can rely on me.

The OP's long and sad tale can be boiled down into a few short and not-so-sweet phrases. Trust no one, always assume that you are being lied to, and always check everything yourself. If at all possible always do everything yourself. That way you wont have many disappointments here.

It would appear you are a glass half empty person.

I have several Thai friends who have helped me from time to time. And there are Thais that are competent at what they do.

I had a problem with a fuel leak and smell in my car and took it to a mechanic in Chiang Rai who had been recommended on the internet by several falangs. Not something I could do myself. He crawled all over the car for more than an hour, eventually taking the boot lining to pieces. Found the leak in the filler pipe and fixed it. 300 baht. Since then he's done a couple of routine services for me, prices very reasonable, car has not missed a beat..

Fair enough to check and shop around. However, I've found most of the Thais I deal with are honest. Sometimes they are incompetent, but that's hindsight.

[dcnx]

The joys of renting

Because owners move into one place and die there?

People move. Renters and owners.

Stability. Ive been here same home 15 years and close friends have moved several times while renting in that period.

Renters are at the mercy of landlords and can be forced out form a number of reasons eg, owner jacks rent, owner decides to sell, owner wants to move back in , house falls into disrepair .....and to top it off you gotta fight for your 2 months deposit at times, lots of horror stories there and its well documented so please dont tell me that are the same thing

15 years in the same home? Impressive.

[Bender]

well dont unpack your box too quickly,

because i swear in 2 weeks in ###### pattaya, you will get disgusted so much with this ######place

that you will call back the thai mover company and go back to bangsean.

[Tagaa]

You don't have any Thai friends.

You may have some Thais waiting for their opportunity to make some cash out of you.

I've only been here two months, and I know that, guess you're a slow learner.

Glad it worked out OK in the end for you. Enjoy your new home.

So....you've only been in Thailand for two months, yet, you are an expert on everything. Especially real estate & Thai property law? You know the thread I'm talking about.

You're still a tourist. Maybe when you've been here for 9 years, like some of us, someone might just value your opinion, doubtful, but maybe.

In the meantime, how about keeping your moronic posts and uninformed opinions to yourself.

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[kannot]

i can summarise much faster and better................IN THAILAND dont ever rely on ANYONE in ANYWAY whatsoever and do everything yourself, experience has shown me more or less exactly what you have found, lazy incompetent careless and greedy followed by aggressive when dont get the extra money invented