Farang child not allowed to play for school team

[Briggsy]

Posters seem to be ignoring the fact that the daughter cannot be enrolled in the school. She is not a Thai citizen and can only attend classes but is not an official pupil.

I rather doubt the veracity of the OP who has no posting history.

[ClutchClark]

11 minutes ago, nongsangcity said:

Even here in the jungle football and other sports where one village plays against another village in a proper sporting event every member of the team has to show their Thai ID otherwise they carnt play....i was asked to run our local youth football team and i had to photo copy my passport and the head man had to sign the copy....and for bike for dad i had to go to the local amphur with my passport and yellow book so i could registar for the bike ride in return i was given a free bike for dad shirt and free accident insurance for the bike ride...

This is very insightful.

Thanks for posting.

[bradenroger]

I don't understand why the school selected the child in the first place if she is not allowed by sports regulations to play.  So sad that they only are told this on the day of the match. Sorry for the child.

[bheard]

Oh too bad. Crazy behaviour.

But possibly your daughter is too good?

That would do it, show up the locals! Can't have that . . .

[Deepinthailand]

2 hours ago, Fookhaht said:

OP:  "I know there are many farang teachers working in Thai schools. Does anyone have any experience with this discrimination problem?"

As a "farang" teacher working in Thai schools for over a dozen years, I cannot be too encouraging.  

As foreign teachers, we are locked out of teacher meetings, teacher trips, teacher "freebies" (giveaway shirts, etc.), and all of the teacher benefits (low-cost loans, insurance, etc.).  Our school sponsored a dinner & concert a few years ago, and all teachers had free admittance--except the foreign teachers, of course, who were expected to cough up 300B for "special tickets" for the evening.   Of course, the foreign teachers didn't show up, and then they were bad-mouthed for not having a team spirit.  

The discrimination is open, shameless, and deeply entrenched.      

Don't hold your breath.  

wow that must be a horrible school to work for. I have taught here for several years and never been locked out of meetings. I get lots of freebies. I agree about the cheap loans not being available to me but have been told that if my wife was to apply no problem. Teacher trips i don't know of any that have been done but trips with children field trips have been on many. As for the question re playing sport we have farang children in teams and all play other schools and competitions with no problem. I hope it was a translation problem

[stevenl]

26 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

Obviously you were not around back then and have re-written the history to reflect your PC attitude.

Blacks were not allowed to participate for the same reason they had separate drinking fountains and classrooms--not for fear that they would out-perform the white kids but because they were considered different.

And why is it that a black man can say he votes for obama because obama is black and gets a free pass by your kind but if a white man happens to vote for Trump then you call him a racist? 

Different is not the word, inferior is.

To make your Obama comparison fair, you should have written 'because he is white' in stead of 'happens to'.

[smotherb]

My nephew is Filipino, both his parents teach English here. He was involved in story telliing and spelling bee in the school he attended here in the south. His Thai teachers were supportive of him and allowed him to compete in a local English language story-telling contest. Almost immediately, the Thai parents claimed foul; saying he was a Filipino and knew English before he attended the school--a fair point, in my opinion. However, in the middle of his English language story, when he understood what the commotion was all about, he switched to Thai. In perfect Thai, he related the same story he also told in perfect English. He was not disqualified from further contests, and won regional and national contests in English story telling. The school gave him a special citation, a parade and the governor of the province had him and other students and school officials to a luncheon and celebrated this first national school recognition for their province--the governor even reached into his own pocket and gave my nephew B1000 as a prize.

So, not all Thais are so biased; else why would he have been allowed to not only complete, but to win?

 

[ClutchClark]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Different is not the word, inferior is.

To make your Obama comparison fair, you should have written 'because he is white' in stead of 'happens to'.

Thats the point...white people do not vote for Trump because he is white but black people vote for obama because he is black and have said as much and nobody calls that "racist". 

But we have moved completely off topic.

I hope the farang girl is allowed to participate in future sporting events.

Anyone know how we can add a chain of quotes lime in the old days? Before yesterday?

Conversations lose context when they only allow for one previous quote.

thanks

[Mangostin]

37 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Posters seem to be ignoring the fact that the daughter cannot be enrolled in the school. She is not a Thai citizen and can only attend classes but is not an official pupil.

That's a bit of an eye's opener, basically, what's happening to the "little farang", it's just a reflection of what's happening on a larger scale to the "bigger farangs" in Thailand, you will be able to "attend", but forget about being considered a human being, that's forbidden because thais cannot compete, i'll bet there must to be at least a law about it somewhere...

[MissAndry]

50 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Posters seem to be ignoring the fact that the daughter cannot be enrolled in the school. She is not a Thai citizen and can only attend classes but is not an official pupil.

I rather doubt the veracity of the OP who has no posting history.

They certainly enroll Burmese into my local Thai government school, they have to pay though.

[Briggsy]

8 minutes ago, Mangostin said:

That's a bit of an eye's opener, basically, what's happening to the "little farang", it's just a reflection of what's happening on a larger scale to the "bigger farangs" in Thailand, you will be able to "attend", but forget about being considered a human being, that's forbidden because thais cannot compete, i'll bet there must to be at least a law about it somewhere...

Of course, the same applies to Laos kids, Cambodian kids, Burmese kids, etc. Thai govt. schools only have official places for children holding Thai citizenship.

It would be interesting to hear the OP's story. (He may have to make something else up).

[ClutchClark]

1 minute ago, Briggsy said:

Of course, the same applies to Laos kids, Cambodian kids, Burmese kids, etc. Thai govt. schools only have official places for children holding Thai citizenship.

It would be interesting to hear the OP's story. (He may have to make something else up).

This is an interesting thread because the initial responses only considered this was an anti-farang sentiment but there have been a couple of experienced posters like Briggsy here who have explained the policy is not anti-farang.

Hopefully the OP is willing to explain to his daughter that she is not being singled out because she is white but simply because she is not Thai.

That is a huge distinction to make.

 

[daveAustin]

Tell the head you are disgusted at how they treated your daughter and move schools.

[ClutchClark]

1 minute ago, daveAustin said:

Tell the head you are disgusted at how they treated your daughter and move schools.

Naybe you better find a new school that allows her to particpate before following Mr Austin's suggestion.

or just get your daughter involved in sports not directly affiliated with the school program and thereby teach her the lesson of not quitting just because something does not go her way. 

[saakura]

1 hour ago, kannot said:

I can..............they might win, and that wouldnt go down well

Like Adolf Hitler's reaction to Jesse Owens' win in the 1936 Olympics comes to mind.....

[Mangostin]

14 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 the policy is not anti-farang.

Hopefully the OP is willing to explain to his daughter that she is not being singled out because she is white but simply because she is not Thai.

That is a huge distinction to make.

That's a really interesting prospective, i think i am going to try that with all the african or of african descent's people, whom are complaining about racism, i'll just tell them "look, we are not being racists because you are being black, but only because you are not white, so please reconsider your position"

That's going to be a really successful strategy, no doubts about it

[thai3]

Isn't there a saying something like- if you hate your child send them to a govt school? She would proprobably learn more off the internet.

[Morakot]

4 hours ago, MissAndry said:

I think they mean the contest is for Thai nationals only. Completely reasonable IMHO.

I don't think the child was trying to compete in an international competition that has rules to prevent people arbitrarily joining teams to represent a nation.

The girl was "representing" her school, which she obviously is a member of.

Edited August 2, 2016 by Morakot

[ClutchClark]

9 minutes ago, Mangostin said:

That's a really interesting prospective, i think i am going to try that with all the african or of african descent's people, whom are complaining about racism, i'll just tell them "look, we are not being racists because you are being black, but only because you are not white, so please reconsider your position"

That's going to be a really successful strategy, no doubts about it

Your entire reality is skewed, eh?

Do you not understand that Thai is not a "race" of people? It is a nationality.

Briggsy was kind enough to point out that the policy the OP discussed is actually a policy applied to all non-Thai students. Thank you Briggsy.

But you seem to be the type that is most happy creating victims of perceived infractions. Tell me, do you see alot of micro-aggressions in your daily life? 

[Morakot]

30 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

  she is not being singled out because she is white but simply because she is not Thai.
 

What a lot of nonsense. The girl is a member of that school and she cannot represent her school?

It's not that she was joining some international competition.

[cardinalblue]

Why is your child in a Thai gov school? Their school system ranks at the bottom in SE Asia. If the point is for her to learn Thai language or Thai culture, send her to a private Thai or bilingual school. The education will be much better and prepare her for better schools down the road....The cost is relatively cheap compared to international schools..... 

[Morakot]

4 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

Why is your child in a Thai gov school? Their school system ranks at the bottom in SE Asia. If the point is for her to learn Thai language or Thai culture, send her to a private Thai or bilingual school. The education will be much better and prepare her for better schools down the road....

I think this is a bit too generalised. There are a few top state schools in Bangkok that consistently outperform your average private Thai school.  

Edited August 2, 2016 by Morakot

[Mangostin]

12 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

Your entire reality is skewed, eh?

Do you not understand that Thai is not a "race" of people? It is a nationality.

 Me? I think you are a bit mixed up. Experience will teach you that there is no amount of time, family ties or anything else that will make many thais accept you without discrimination, if you look "farang" than you will still be cheated on as one, sorry to break your dreams but it's for your own benefit, and the ones defending these ignoble practices against even some innocent kids, are the scums of the world, no matter what race or nationality they are....just when you thought they couldn't possibly get any lower  

[Rod Gold]

How many times do Thais, unassociated with the tourist industry, have to tell you that Thailand is for Thais?

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, Mangostin said:

 Me? I think you are a bit mixed up. Experience will teach you that there is no amount of time, family ties or anything else that will make many thais accept you without discrimination, if you look "farang" than you will still be cheated on as one, sorry to break your dreams but it's for your own benefit, and the ones defending these ignoble practices against even some innocent kids, are the scums of the world, no matter what race or nationality they are....just when you thought they couldn't possibly get any lower  

What are you talking about? 

I sure dislike this new forum where quote chains are not imbedded several quotes back.

I wonder if this is why you have me confused for someone else since I could care a less about Thais accepting me and it has never been a dream of mine. Sorry to blow your entire schpiel. It is a really nice schpiel. Not too well thought out but from the heart--the only problem is it has nothing to do with me.

 

Edited August 2, 2016 by ClutchClark

[frog555]

We know well : thai are racialist. Thanks to that, they can protect their nation.

We like Thailand, then we must accept that fact. The problem is for mixed blood children only.

Western Europeans should be racialist. Then they could protect their lands and nations as well.

[ClutchClark]

2 hours ago, Morakot said:

What a lot of nonsense. The girl is a member of that school and she cannot represent her school?

It's not that she was joining some international competition.

Whoa cowboy, I did not make these rules.

I am not saying ai agree with them. 

I am merely pointing out that the policy of only allowing Thai nationals to play in school sports is not targetting farangs as some posters on this thread appear to think. The policy effects all non-Thai students. 

Thats all I said. 

[Morakot]

4 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 the policy of only allowing Thai nationals to play in school sports

Well, is this really a "policy" or just something this school did?

If however this is true, what's the point allowing non-Thai people at the school if they are not allowed to do things there?

Edited August 2, 2016 by Morakot

[Morakot]

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Any ideas or suggestions on how to fix or change this rule

Go to the director of your daughters school and complain that she---as a properly registered student of this school---cannot represent her school. Possibly bring some Thai person of importance with. There surely is no such rule for inter-school competitions.

[moe666]

She was accepted on the school team it was the people running the compition who refused her