Obama: Trump ‘woefully unfit’ to be President

[Dtrump]

2 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

Congratulations because you have been inducted in to the Ignore Hall of Shame.

Do I get a letter? 

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

 

I don't think there is any need to debate Trump's disrespect of women.

 

What nonsense.

 

Trump treats women like he does men. He treats them with equality. As adversaries. 

 

Trump trusts women to hold the top positions in his businesses. 

 

Yours is just snother fabricated tslking point for democrats to whisper amongst themselves without ever proving it.

Edited November 12, 2016 by ClutchClark

[Strange]

23 minutes ago, lostinisaan said:

Trumpcare after Obamacare?

 

Last year cost me over $700 a month as a 32 year old male with no other dependents. Prior to Obamacare it cost me about $250 a month. For a plan of relatively equal value. 

 

If I can get health insurance for less than a fuggin cheap home mortgage, please, call it whatever you like! 

 

Call it pussygrabbincare if it makes people feel good. 

[ClutchClark]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

A lot of bosses get way with that kind of thing.  So long as it's between consenting adults many people don't think it's a big deal.

 

 

 

Thats where you are flat out wrong. Society does not think it is OK for a boss to have sexual relations with his new female staff that is half his age and which he is supposed to be in a trusted position to mentor. 

 

His actions imperiled that young womans entire future. That is exactly what someone in Clinton's position was NOT supposed to do. 

 

So try again.

[Merzik]

 
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Your link equates charges for jaywalking to...what, absence of evidence of voter fraud?
 
Show me evidence that actual vote fraud occurred at a level that in any way influenced the election.

The point being is that there is much more real instances of voting faud than the number of cases investigated by authorities. Since voter ids requirements are considered "racist" now...illegals and professional voters can vote with little chance of being caught. I vote in French elections and proper ID is required. Paper ballots are counted with observation by all political parties. The USA voting system is a disgrace and has been for a long long time.

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[klikster]

34 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

People, non Americans like yourself always

 

Now I get some notion of how Barack felt toward Donald Trump. 

 

You've fooled most of the people here into thinking you are an American but your lack on knowledge of our culture and laws won't convince the astute

 

 

 

 

Carry on. 

 

Looks like your puppy is barking up the same wrong tree you are. I seem to recall that Pub' was an officer in thew US Army.

 

Do you have better intell?

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Dtrump said:

Is the FBI investigating that?  Whoooo no.  Who's the crook? 

 

The courts are hearing suits about Trump U.  The justice department is investigating bribery charges involving the Florida AG and Trump.  The IRS is auditing some questionable tax returns.  That's what we know of without detailed financial disclosures and tax returns.

 

Hillary has been investigated to hell and back with no charges filed.  Let's see if Trump turns out to be that clean.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Dtrump said:

4 that I know of.  Why is there a morals clause to be President of the USA?  I'd rather have a fellow who is not a crook.  If Trump were running for Pope you might have a point.

 

4 creepy fathers on Howard Stern's trash radio program?  I would have guessed more.

 

The morals clause is what the voters choose it to be.  I personally don't care if a president gets BJ's in the oval office so long as he does his job well.  However allegations of sexual assault, child rape, and perverted talk about his daughter goes too far in my book.

 

If you want a president who isn't a crook, you are SOL.  Bankruptcies, unpaid contractors, tax evasion and fraud at Trump U. are nothing compared to what we will see with Trump giving up the nations interests in return for sweetheart deals for the Trump family.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Gary A said:

The rabid democrats should save their bile, hate and vindictive opinions until the next election where it may do some good. It may not do any good then either when they see Trump pull the country out of the hole it is in. Taking a chance then is certainly better than wasting it now. It's too late.

 

"when they see Trump pull the country out of the hole it is in"

 

You have an interesting sense of humor.

[Dtrump]

Just now, heybruce said:

 

4 creepy fathers on Howard Stern's trash radio program?  I would have guessed more.

 

The morals clause is what the voters choose it to be.  I personally don't care if a president gets BJ's in the oval office so long as he does his job well.  However allegations of sexual assault, child rape, and perverted talk about his daughter goes too far in my book.

 

If you want a president who isn't a crook, you are SOL.  Bankruptcies, unpaid contractors, tax evasion and fraud at Trump U. are nothing compared to what we will see with Trump giving up the nations interests in return for sweetheart deals for the Trump family.

Bankruptcy is the legal and orderly payment of debts and not a crime.  Unpaid contractors have many legal options to be paid and if they don't choose to enforce payment it's their own fault and not a crime.  Tax avoidance is not a crime.  Trump has never been convicted to tax evasion.  Trump U is still in court.  FBI's Clinton Foundation investigation a ‘high priority' among some agents, sources say.  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/02/fbis-clinton-foundation-investigation-now-very-high-priority-sources-say.html  

The head of the FBI said if anyone else had done what Hillary had done with classified documents they would be prosecuted. 

 

Trump is not being investigated by the FBI Clinton is.  Under a Democratic Presidency.   Draw your own conclusions. 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Television face time with feminazi lawyers. 

 

No, but you are so easy to be like "OH! Theres one! See! I told you he was a rapist!" 

 

Yeah yeah the pussy grabbing is not an admission of guilt so get over it. A porn star that said trump tried to kiss her one time has a lol-factor of about a billion. 

 

Feminazi lawyers?  You are a truly enlightened individual, aren't you.

 

I've been posting about sexual assault, not rape.  Do you know something I don't know?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Do you have a link that you feel is an accurate portrayal of how you feel about Trump University? 

 

What?  A link to a portrayal of how I feel about Trump U? 

 

How about a short summary?  I think it was a scam, a fraud, a means to fleece gullible people out of their money while giving them no marketable knowledge.  Is that good enough?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

 

What nonsense.

 

Trump treats women like he does men. He treats them with equality. As adversaries. 

 

Trump trusts women to hold the top positions in his businesses. 

 

Yours is just snother fabricated tslking point for democrats to whisper amongst themselves without ever proving it.

 

Really? Does Trump boast about grabbing men by the crotch and tell Howard Stern it's ok to refer to his sons as pieces of ass?  How many men has he fondled without permission?  How many married men has he tried to sleep with?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

 

Thats where you are flat out wrong. Society does not think it is OK for a boss to have sexual relations with his new female staff that is half his age and which he is supposed to be in a trusted position to mentor. 

 

His actions imperiled that young womans entire future. That is exactly what someone in Clinton's position was NOT supposed to do. 

 

So try again.

 

Seriously?  Do you think there aren't bosses banging their secretaries?  Do you think there aren't secretaries trying to get into their boss's pants?  Old men chasing young women and young women trying to screw their way into an advantageous position are as old as society.

 

If it's between consenting adults I don't care.  When there is no consent it is a problem.

[heybruce]

14 minutes ago, Dtrump said:

Bankruptcy is the legal and orderly payment of debts and not a crime.  Unpaid contractors have many legal options to be paid and if they don't choose to enforce payment it's their own fault and not a crime.  Tax avoidance is not a crime.  Trump has never been convicted to tax evasion.  Trump U is still in court.  FBI's Clinton Foundation investigation a ‘high priority' among some agents, sources say.  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/02/fbis-clinton-foundation-investigation-now-very-high-priority-sources-say.html  

The head of the FBI said if anyone else had done what Hillary had done with classified documents they would be prosecuted. 

 

Trump is not being investigated by the FBI Clinton is.  Under a Democratic Presidency.   Draw your own conclusions. 

 

Was being investigated.  The case was closed with no charges filed. 

 

Trump the sleazy businessman was so notorious for not paying contractors that the contractors took to padding their cost estimates to allow for the legal costs of pursuing full payment.  http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21698613-what-small-businesses-owners-might-wish-know-about-mr-trump-scourge-not-saviour   And Trump is still being audited about some questionable tax tactics.    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/donald-trump-tax.html?_r=0

[Dtrump]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

 

Was being investigated.  The case was closed with no charges filed. 

 

Trump the sleazy businessman was so notorious for not paying contractors that the contractors took to padding their cost estimates to allow for the legal costs of pursuing full payment.  http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21698613-what-small-businesses-owners-might-wish-know-about-mr-trump-scourge-not-saviour   And Trump is still being audited about some questionable tax tactics.    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/donald-trump-tax.html?_r=0

If you were an American you would realize that a contractor has little problem collecting debts and the IRS gets always their money.  The IRS got Al Capone.  The FBI is not investigating Trump.  Who is the FBI investigating?  Who is President?  Who is in trouble? 

[Strange]

21 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Feminazi lawyers?  You are a truly enlightened individual, aren't you.

 

I've been posting about sexual assault, not rape.  Do you know something I don't know?

 

Wow you are really fired up aren't you? You realize the kind of shit Trump Supporters have been called over the last few weeks? On this forum and on the news? 

 

Yes Feminazi lawyer. Jessica Drake, the pornstar, and Gloria Allred, her lawyer. Completely opportunist nonsense from BOTH of them. 

 

17 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

What?  A link to a portrayal of how I feel about Trump U? 

 

How about a short summary?  I think it was a scam, a fraud, a means to fleece gullible people out of their money while giving them no marketable knowledge.  Is that good enough?

 

Actually I wanted to know if it was 100% Trump's scam, or basically a company of his that went haywire. Looks like he owned it, but relied on others to manage it. Its unfortunate, but is it really 100% Trumps fault? The dude has like over 500 businesses and subsidiaries plus. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Seriously?  Do you think there aren't bosses banging their secretaries?  Do you think there aren't secretaries trying to get into their boss's pants?  Old men chasing young women and young women trying to screw their way into an advantageous position are as old as society.

 

If it's between consenting adults I don't care.  When there is no consent it is a problem.

 

What evidence of "No Consent" do we legitimately have against Trump? After all this? 

[Strange]

18 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Was being investigated.  The case was closed with no charges filed. 

 

So this argument is 100% ok when its on Hillary Clinton and actual, real deal security breaches and reckless handling of her job, but not ok for Trump on Taxes, Consent, Trump U etc?

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, Dtrump said:

If you were an American you would realize that a contractor has little problem collecting debts and the IRS gets always their money.  The IRS got Al Capone.  The FBI is not investigating Trump.  Who is the FBI investigating?  Who is President?  Who is in trouble? 

Clearly you didn't check the links.  Small businesses have great difficulty outlasting a deadbeat billionaire with an army of lawyers.  But I certainly do hope the IRS does a thorough investigation of Trump's taxes and gets "their money".

 

Once again, the FBI investigation, like all the other investigations is closed with no charges filed. 

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

Wow you are really fired up aren't you? You realize the kind of shit Trump Supporters have been called over the last few weeks? On this forum and on the news? 

 

Yes Feminazi lawyer. Jessica Drake, the pornstar, and Gloria Allred, her lawyer. Completely opportunist nonsense from BOTH of them. 

 

 

Actually I wanted to know if it was 100% Trump's scam, or basically a company of his that went haywire. Looks like he owned it, but relied on others to manage it. Its unfortunate, but is it really 100% Trumps fault? The dude has like over 500 businesses and subsidiaries plus. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

 

What evidence of "No Consent" do we legitimately have against Trump? After all this? 

 

I'm not fired up, I'm kind of amused by your hostility towards women who have impugned the good name (such as it is) of your hero.

 

As far as consent, it's the old "he says, she says" problem.  However when approximately a dozen women with nothing to gain and certain to face hostility and threats from Trump fans go public anyway, I think there may be something to the charges.

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

So this argument is 100% ok when its on Hillary Clinton and actual, real deal security breaches and reckless handling of her job, but not ok for Trump on Taxes, Consent, Trump U etc?

 

The argument is that the investigation of HRC was closed with no charges filed, while there are still charges, audits and court cases tied to Trump.  It remains to be seen if he comes out clean. 

 

It also remains to be seen if he can conduct himself in office to the required ethical standards.  My guess is that he can't, however he will have to get really blatant in the conflict of interest before a Republican congress takes action.

[Strange]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

I'm not fired up, I'm kind of amused by your hostility towards women who have impugned the good name (such as it is) of your hero.

 

As far as consent, it's the old "he says, she says" problem.  However when approximately a dozen women with nothing to gain and certain to face hostility and threats from Trump fans go public anyway, I think there may be something to the charges.

 

"Hostility towards women"? Are you trying to beat the war drums or what? Im not hostile to women at all, except for a slight few that fall in the camp of Gloria Allred, and even then its only because of the hatred she spouts towards men. Look her up on youtube its insane. YES I don't agree with Allred's rhetoric. Deal with it. 

 

Yeah, thats right, "she said, he said" but clearly you are ready to "hang em high" regardless. 

 

What you "think" has no legal standing. 

[Strange]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The argument is that the investigation of HRC was closed with no charges filed, while there are still charges, audits and court cases tied to Trump.  It remains to be seen if he comes out clean. 

 

It also remains to be seen if he can conduct himself in office to the required ethical standards.  My guess is that he can't, however he will have to get really blatant in the conflict of interest before a Republican congress takes action.

 

Again, and again, Trump has like 500 businesses ++ so I'm good go out on a reasonably short & easy to reach limb here and say this is all pretty normal business practice. Yeah, I get it, you don't agree, but what do you, or myself even begin to know about the accounting requirements of an empire like that. 

 

Plenty of mud on Hillary, not just the email server. 

 

Yeah a lot remains to be seen, so why don't you just let it go and lets wait it out? Nothing you can do now other than continually parrot all the same unoriginal nonsense as before the votes were cast. 

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

"Hostility towards women"? Are you trying to beat the war drums or what? Im not hostile to women at all, except for a slight few that fall in the camp of Gloria Allred, and even then its only because of the hatred she spouts towards men. Look her up on youtube its insane. YES I don't agree with Allred's rhetoric. Deal with it. 

 

Yeah, thats right, "she said, he said" but clearly you are ready to "hang em high" regardless. 

 

What you "think" has no legal standing. 

 

" your hostility towards women who have impugned the good name (such as it is) of your hero."

 

You really should take my comments in context.  As to "hang em high", you're just making stuff up.

 

We're not discussing court cases, we're discussing the character of candidate/president elect Trump.

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

Wow you are really fired up aren't you? You realize the kind of shit Trump Supporters have been called over the last few weeks? On this forum and on the news? 

 

Yes Feminazi lawyer. Jessica Drake, the pornstar, and Gloria Allred, her lawyer. Completely opportunist nonsense from BOTH of them. 

 

 

Actually I wanted to know if it was 100% Trump's scam, or basically a company of his that went haywire. Looks like he owned it, but relied on others to manage it. Its unfortunate, but is it really 100% Trumps fault? The dude has like over 500 businesses and subsidiaries plus. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

 

What evidence of "No Consent" do we legitimately have against Trump? After all this? 

 

Actually I wanted to know if it was 100% Trump's scam, or basically a company of his that went haywire. Looks like he owned it, but relied on others to manage it. Its unfortunate, but is it really 100% Trumps fault? The dude has like over 500 businesses and subsidiaries plus. 

 

This is something I'm wondering about. His business seems to rely on a whole lot of fragmented entities, and of course, branding. How involved is he with actually running these ventures is not clear. What does it imply for the way he'll run the administration? Not sure its all bad, actually, not as if the POTUS micro-manages every little detail. Then again, perhaps that's a recipe for such law suits, while serving as a convenient excuse.

[Strange]

21 minutes ago, Morch said:

This is something I'm wondering about. His business seems to rely on a whole lot of fragmented entities, and of course, branding. How involved is he with actually running these ventures is not clear. What does it imply for the way he'll run the administration? Not sure its all bad, actually, not as if the POTUS micro-manages every little detail. Then again, perhaps that's a recipe for such law suits, while serving as a convenient excuse.

 

Edit - Nvm. 

 

Yeah its impossible to run the trump organization or the US single handedly

 

How its all gonna play out - who knows. The molotov cocktails have been thrown. Now we wait. 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Strange

[Strange]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

" your hostility towards women who have impugned the good name (such as it is) of your hero."

 

You really should take my comments in context.  As to "hang em high", you're just making stuff up.

 

We're not discussing court cases, we're discussing the character of candidate/president elect Trump.

 

You are condemning Trump repeatedly, over and over and over again with the same, unoriginal nonsense. Yeah, you clearly want to hang em high. 

 

Again, I'm not hostile towards women that blah blah yada yada the good name blah blah of trump, just the lying man hating windbags and opportunists. Get over it. 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Strange

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

Again, and again, Trump has like 500 businesses ++ so I'm good go out on a reasonably short & easy to reach limb here and say this is all pretty normal business practice. Yeah, I get it, you don't agree, but what do you, or myself even begin to know about the accounting requirements of an empire like that. 

 

Plenty of mud on Hillary, not just the email server. 

 

Yeah a lot remains to be seen, so why don't you just let it go and lets wait it out? Nothing you can do now other than continually parrot all the same unoriginal nonsense as before the votes were cast. 

I see, you don't have a good answer, so you obfuscate.  I'll try that: 

 

Yeah, I get it, you don't agree, but what do you, or myself even begin to know about the State Department e-mail practices.

 

I can see why you like that, it's an easy diversion.

 

Plenty of mud thrown at Hillary by the Republicans, but it never sticks.  The Whitewater investigation began as an investigation of real estate investments but expanded, an ran through most of the 1990's at a cost of $80 million, into a "find anything you can on the first family".  They got Bill on the BJ (funny result for a real estate investigation) but came up empty on HRC.  She is the most thoroughly investigated Presidential candidate in history, and has never been charged with a crime.  Now her critics are saying the investigations indicate guilt.  Of course they don't say that about Trump.

 

Imagine what a similar investigation of Trump would produce.

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

You are condemning Trump repeatedly, over and over and over again with the same, unoriginal nonsense. Yeah, you clearly want to hang em high. 

 

Again, I'm not hostile towards women that blah blah yada yada the good name blah blah of trump, just the lying man hating windbags and opportunists. Get over it. 

 

The topic is "Trump is woefully unfit to be President" and I am pointing out how true that is.  I am not using unoriginal nonsense, I am reminding people of undisputed facts.  Get over it.

[Strange]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I see, you don't have a good answer, so you obfuscate.  I'll try that: 

 

Yeah, I get it, you don't agree, but what do you, or myself even begin to know about the State Department e-mail practices.

 

I can see why you like that, it's an easy diversion.

 

Plenty of mud thrown at Hillary by the Republicans, but it never sticks.  The Whitewater investigation began as an investigation of real estate investments but expanded, an ran through most of the 1990's at a cost of $80 million, into a "find anything you can on the first family".  They got Bill on the BJ (funny result for a real estate investigation) but came up empty on HRC.  She is the most thoroughly investigated Presidential candidate in history, and has never been charged with a crime.  Now her critics are saying the investigations indicate guilt.  Of course they don't say that about Trump.

 

Imagine what a similar investigation of Trump would produce.

 

Investigate away. Have at it. 

 

If I was you I would at least try to find some stuff that will either stick, or is at the very least "new". 

 

Otherwise you just continually parrot things that have been debated to death.