Rampaging South Sudan troops raped foreigners, killed local

[ThaiByNight]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I apologise if my comparison was too subtle for you, (although it did give you a wonderful opportunity to express fake outrage) however I make no apology for my post. I will try to make it clearer though - politics is now about telling lies and hoping gullible people fall for them. The two jokers I referred to are merely an example of a growing problem.

 

In the context of this post, I was lamenting the attempt by one regular commentator to attribute this incident to Islam when there exists absolutely no evidence to do so, and indeed, all the facts show that he was wide of the mark.

 

 

No fake outrage. 

 

Just pointing out how you politiziced a thread, likely because you can't contain your hatred for Trump & Giuiliani,  the latter whose leadership greatly reduced the crime & murder rate in NYC

 

If it walks like a duck... 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, ThaiByNight said:

No fake outrage. 

 

Just pointing out how you politiziced a thread, likely because you can't contain your hatred for Trump & Giuiliani,  the latter whose leadership greatly reduced the crime & murder rate in NYC

 

If it walks like a duck... 

 

I have made it as plain as I can for you, to help you understand, but clearly I failed. However this is way off topic so I suggest that we drop it now.

[thaihome]

13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

They're armed peacekeepers. Don't tell me that if they're faced with violence and threatened loss of life right under their noses, that their orders and mission calls for them to do nothing.

 

Part of being a soldier means facing the prospect of having to fight and potentially die in combat. You seem to want to portray them as uniformed crossing guards or something vs. actual military soldiers, the latter being what they supposedly are.

 

If they didn't want to be actual soldiers, then what the **** are they doing in their respective countries' armed forces? 

 

They had a mission from the U.N. and their respective countries sent them to carry out that mission. It's pretty clear that they simply failed to carry out that mission in a most blatant way in this instance -- unless some new and very different facts come to light here.

 

 

 

Here' the latest resolution 2155 passed in 2014. You decide if it says they are expected to die in full filling it. I can't find it anywhere.  Says a lot about deterring stuff by patrols, etc. But I don't see anything about shooting or expecting to be killed in while doing so. 

 

I am not trying excuse the lack of response to this incident,  the UN force should have moved to stop it. I'm just pointing out the reality on the ground. There is no motivation for the developing country soldiers there to defend American or European aid workers if it means actually getting shot at. 

TH  

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/2155(2014)

[soc]

7 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

We (the empire building west) spent hundreds of years perpetrating unimaginable horrors on the continent, raping, looting and pillaging everything that we could possibly profit from. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that our current quality of life is partially build on the blood of Africans of the last two centuries. In my opinion, the first world owes it to Africa to make amends for the barbarity we showed it.

SOME people spent hundreds of years raping(l suppose?)looting(definitely)& pillaging Africa, that is true.

Most of it could not have been done without some African assistance.

Chiefs got rid of perceived troublemakers by selling them to the Slavers.

Tribes waged war to capture slaves.

Africans had slaves long before us or the Arabs arrived on the scene.

Then of course we exploited the minerals, l don't deny that.

Have you ever seen the eager would be African Miners lining up to work in the gold & copper mines? A great honour for them.

But to balance all that, what about the thousands of dedicated colonial officials & missionaries who brought peace, stability & prosperity to African peoples?

(Does not include the Belgians in the Congo!).

We owe Africa nothing & they were & are barbarous before we came along.

[RuamRudy]

50 minutes ago, soc said:

SOME people spent hundreds of years raping(l suppose?)looting(definitely)& pillaging Africa, that is true.

Most of it could not have been done without some African assistance.

Chiefs got rid of perceived troublemakers by selling them to the Slavers.

Tribes waged war to capture slaves.

Africans had slaves long before us or the Arabs arrived on the scene.

Then of course we exploited the minerals, l don't deny that.

Have you ever seen the eager would be African Miners lining up to work in the gold & copper mines? A great honour for them.

But to balance all that, what about the thousands of dedicated colonial officials & missionaries who brought peace, stability & prosperity to African peoples?

(Does not include the Belgians in the Congo!).

We owe Africa nothing & they were & are barbarous before we came along.

 

I am not advocating that we open our bank accounts to Africa or continue to accept limitless migration to our shores, but we still need to recognise the part our countries paid in destabilising the continent. There was a similar lack of empathy by the ruling classes at home, whether it be the highland clearances, the Irish potato famine, WW1 etc. But the systematic approach the west took exploiting Africa - and I am not sure you can discuss it without including Belgian Congo - was far more devastating and long lasting.

The attempts at atonement, however, seem to have generally failed to improve things for the majority, if not actually made things worse - the pouring of billions of dollars into the pockets of corrupt officials, and the support for corrupt governments through political and military support etc. I don't know what the answer is, and I agree that it isn't handing bad men more money or guns, nor is it handing European passports to all and sundry, but I still think we should be involved in helping find solutions to the myriad problems.

[soc]

On 8/17/2016 at 6:04 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

I am not advocating that we open our bank accounts to Africa or continue to accept limitless migration to our shores, but we still need to recognise the part our countries paid in destabilising the continent. There was a similar lack of empathy by the ruling classes at home, whether it be the highland clearances, the Irish potato famine, WW1 etc. But the systematic approach the west took exploiting Africa - and I am not sure you can discuss it without including Belgian Congo - was far more devastating and long lasting.

The attempts at atonement, however, seem to have generally failed to improve things for the majority, if not actually made things worse - the pouring of billions of dollars into the pockets of corrupt officials, and the support for corrupt governments through political and military support etc. I don't know what the answer is, and I agree that it isn't handing bad men more money or guns, nor is it handing European passports to all and sundry, but I still think we should be involved in helping find solutions to the myriad problems.

l think that we are involved in trying to assist Africa,  l myself, donate to 2 organisations.  One is women's health in Kenya & the other is the Fred Hollows Foundation, who specialise in eye  problems(in Asia as well as Africa).   Among my friends are a missionary couple who spend their time in Madagascar.  l also know of a Dane who gives his time advising on Agriculture in  Mozambique.

These are but a drop in the bucket, but there are many people doing this as Government money tends to get siphoned off.  The key to it all is education, without that Africa will never advance.