Thaksin files defamation complaint against Rangsit University rector

[tomwct]

SOP -Standard Operating Procedure for Thaksin. I wouldn't let him file these suits while he's overseas as a Convicted Felon. The

suit won't go anywhere because you have the right to confront your accuser and he'll never return!

[mesterm]

10 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

After all you have seen from the current junta and since 2006 and you still cannot get over your Thaksin obsession. 

 

Cannot see the wood for the trees. 

 

Speak for yourself.

[Ricardo]

11 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

Return to serve a sentence that was politically motivated while there is a military junta running the country and systematically dismantling all checks and balances?

 

Let's think that through again. 

 

Return from self-exile to serve a sentence which was awarded while his brother-in-law was PM ?

 

And still didn't return while his own sister was PM either. Why do you think that was ?

 

Let's think that through again !

 

Not that I think he was linked to the recent bombs, on current sketchy evidence, but don't you think that these libel-cases are reducing freedom-of-speech here in Thailand ?

[henry15]

To defend his  reputation 555555555555

[BKKBrit]

10 hours ago, than said:

 

If sentence was "politically motived" why UK revoke his visa after his conviction, why UK refuse to give him political asylum, why UK froze $4.2 billion of his assets in the UK

The UK froze $4.2 billion of his assets? Since when? It was Thailand that froze his assets - something like Bht50 billion. 

[Basil B]

He is an outlaw and if it were a just world he would not be able to file complaints against overs until he answers to the charges against him.

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In historical legal systems, an outlaw is declared as outside the protection of the law. In pre-modern societies, the criminal is withdrawn all legal protection.

like a boxing mach where one boxer has their hands tied behind their back so they can not hit back...

[Si Thea01]

14 hours ago, baboon said:

Has he been charged with the bombings?

 

I think he was referring to the defamation case, nothing said about being charged with anything relating to the bombings.  He is a fugitive and han'ts the kahunas to return.  Can't he just go away, oh that's right he has, hasn't he.  Silly  me.

[Winniedapu]

Waste of time and effort, as Mr T will surely know. No Thai court will ever find for Thaksin. Best to save the money, Rangsit University isn't important to anyone or anything very much, and neither is the 'Rector', but no Thai court will ever find for Thaksin no matter what the evidence is or who the plaintiff is.

 

It is pretty much guaranteed to keep his name in the spotlight though, and it's more grist to the martyrdom mill. According to those criteria, the action was already wildly successful.

 

Winnie

[TEFLKrabi]

15 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

Return to serve a sentence that was politically motivated while there is a military junta running the country and systematically dismantling all checks and balances?

 

Let's think that through again. 

 

Firstly the sentence wasn't given by a member of the military junta and secondly, is it possible that we'd all prefer a third choice away from the Red or the Military?

[FritsSikkink]

"Return to serve a sentence that was politically motivated while there is a military junta running the country and systematically dismantling all checks and balances?

 

Let's think that through again. "

 

Don't let the truth stand in your way, utter BS

[than]

55 minutes ago, BKKBrit said:

The UK froze $4.2 billion of his assets? Since when? It was Thailand that froze his assets - something like Bht50 billion. 

2008 after Thaksin conviction

 

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The UK froze his reputed $4bn of assets, forcing him to sell Manchester City to Abu Dhabi's Sheikh Mansour. To add to his troubles, his UK visa was revoked - oh, and his wife divorced him last week.

Catch me if you can Arabian Business.com 30 November 2008

 

[Baerboxer]

16 hours ago, candide said:

You see! It only took 12 mn!

 

Give over. Stop trying to deflect things away from Thaksin. The thread is about him and another of his lame defamation suits.

[elgordo38]

14 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

After all you have seen from the current junta and since 2006 and you still cannot get over your Thaksin obsession. 

 

Cannot see the wood for the trees. 

Talk about Daniel walking into the lions den.........

[Baerboxer]

13 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

"Return to serve a sentence that was politically motivated while there is a military junta running the country and systematically dismantling all checks and balances?

 

Let's think that through again. "

 

Don't let the truth stand in your way, utter BS

 

Crap. The conviction was never appealed or disputed by Thaksin. He could have appealed the sentence and pointed out he's not done jail time before so may have got it suspended. But he chose to run and become a fugitive. Possibly because of all those other juicy outstanding cases waiting his return. Like the Krungthai Bank fraud case. Other co-accused have been found guilty and received 18 year sentences. Whoops, that might just worry him enough to keep him away until the statute of limitations expires. Unless he ever managed to wangle his total amnesty whitewash of course.

 

Checks and balances - something the Shins tried to dismantle, weaken, slash budgets and nullify. 

 

The truth - something Thaksin and his clan wouldn't know if it bit them. Looks like you Father Finlan Stack might have some difficulty too.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Baerboxer

[little mary sunshine]

He really wants to defend 

His Reputation!

[Baerboxer]

21 minutes ago, Winniedapu said:

Waste of time and effort, as Mr T will surely know. No Thai court will ever find for Thaksin. Best to save the money, Rangsit University isn't important to anyone or anything very much, and neither is the 'Rector', but no Thai court will ever find for Thaksin no matter what the evidence is or who the plaintiff is.

 

It is pretty much guaranteed to keep his name in the spotlight though, and it's more grist to the martyrdom mill. According to those criteria, the action was already wildly successful.

 

Winnie

 

Thaksin the Innocent - a martyr - 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

He is merely using the law as other elite Thais do.

 

He has not returned because the military and certain other elites (Suthep etc.) have been in de facto control since the coup in 2006. 

 

You really want to discuss freedom of speech while the junta has just ran a referendum where campaigning for a no vote was illegal..?

 

With everything that is going on now you still cannot see that Thakky wasn't the big problem?

 

Elephant in the room and all that.

 

Dearie me.

 

Guess you missed the PTP years in government then? Although you're right, they can't really be called a government.

 

He wasn't kicked out in a coup. He dissolved parliament in response to the public outcries after he changed the law so he could sell his family business to the Singaporeans and avoid all tax. He then resigned the caretaker PM role and a replacement was appointed. But he decided, on no authority but his own, to grab the job back. 

 

Don't let the facts and truth get in the way of the History According to the Shin PR rewrite. 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

Good people, as opposed to life-time criminals, Eric?

 

I thought I read that they'd already signed a law onto the books to prevent wanted criminal fugitives from filing law suits through proxies?

 

Wonder if Thaksin would turn up to answer a case if someone filed defamation suit against him - 555!

 

Just another cheap publicity shot as his PR / Media team keep working to try and convince everyone of their twisted version of reality.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Crap. The conviction was never appealed or disputed by Thaksin. He could have appealed the sentence and pointed out he's not done jail time before so may have got it suspended. But he chose to run and become a fugitive. Possibly because of all those other juicy outstanding cases waiting his return. Like the Krungthai Bank fraud case. Other co-accused have been found guilty and received 18 year sentences. Whoops, that might just worry him enough to keep him away until the statute of limitations expires. Unless he ever managed to wangle his total amnesty whitewash of course.

 

Checks and balances - something the Shins tried to dismantle, weaken, slash budgets and nullify. 

 

The truth - something Thaksin and his clan wouldn't know if it bit them. Looks like you might have some difficulty too.

 

Better to run when the odds are stacked against and you risk your life in the cell and not certain what other charges will be created to ensure you rot in the cell. What chance you have against the establishment that control the all the agencies. Too many human rights violations qouted by Human Rights. Of course, you will say HR is paid by Thaksin. 

 

You really is foolish to think anyone has the influence and power over the establishment and the military to change any check and balance? Thaksin may have tried and in one move or rather two, the establishment snatched control through the barrel of the guns and tore up all the rule books.

 

Truth during previous governments were able to be exposed by freedom of speech and expression. You find much truth these days?

[american12bthai]

im not sure but TRUMP and taksin have the same tactic. 

 

[candide]

43 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Give over. Stop trying to deflect things away from Thaksin. The thread is about him and another of his lame defamation suits.

Deflect away? It's people like you who deflect away. Despite his other sins, is he not defamed?  Any proof he is guilty for the bombings.

[Baerboxer]

46 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Better to run when the odds are stacked against and you risk your life in the cell and not certain what other charges will be created to ensure you rot in the cell. What chance you have against the establishment that control the all the agencies. Too many human rights violations qouted by Human Rights. Of course, you will say HR is paid by Thaksin. 

 

You really is foolish to think anyone has the influence and power over the establishment and the military to change any check and balance? Thaksin may have tried and in one move or rather two, the establishment snatched control through the barrel of the guns and tore up all the rule books.

 

Truth during previous governments were able to be exposed by freedom of speech and expression. You find much truth these days?

 

Yeah better to run eh Eric. But those 3000+ murdered during Thaksin's war on drugs and extra judicially executed, those Muslim's murdered by being piled on top of one another prior to any trial during Thaksin's governance, and those children murdered by red shirt thugs throwing bombs around while PTP turned a blind eye and applauded never got the chance to run anywhere. But they weren't billionaire criminals.

Read about the Krungthai case Eric. See if you think Thaksin just might be a tad hopeful in claiming everything should be dismissed as politically motivated when it's against him.

Read about how PTP weakened organizations, reduced their operating budgets, transferred people, threatened people in organizations in order to weaken the checks and balances on their administration Eric. Go on,  educate yourself. 

 

Freedom of speech - under the Shins. Naive and lacking veracity even by your standards. Remember the Shin tame police boss who said it would be a criminal offense to even "like" a negative comment on the Shins on social media; the cartoonist sued by Yingluck; the defamation suits slapped around by the Shins; the bombs or gun shots aimed at houses of those who dares challenge or criticize the Shins?

 

You really should do some actual research Eric. Simply believing Shin fairy tales and propaganda isn't good for you.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Guess you missed the PTP years in government then? Although you're right, they can't really be called a government.

 

He wasn't kicked out in a coup. He dissolved parliament in response to the public outcries after he changed the law so he could sell his family business to the Singaporeans and avoid all tax. He then resigned the caretaker PM role and a replacement was appointed. But he decided, on no authority but his own, to grab the job back. 

 

Don't let the facts and truth get in the way of the History According to the Shin PR rewrite. 

 

You facts are in a mess too BB. A government even a caretaker government is constitutional. A coup seized power from a legitimate government. 

 

He didnt changed the law to avoid tax, he changed the law on foreign holding. His capital gain tax avoidance was legal according to SET but did caused a public uproar over the increase holding by a foreign corporation in a  sensitive telecommunication industry. 

 

And thats how the cookies crumble.

 

 

 

[debate101]

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

The years 2001 until 2005 were among the best I have spent here. The economy was booming, people were happy, and the country was moving forward. I remember those days very well.

 

I was a big critic of Thakky at the time and would still be if he were in power. However he was far from perfect. 

 

And then they took it all apart and the country is now a basket case.

 

 

This is the truth. The system of government is much more important than the particular leader for a society's well-being and prosperity. When all is said and done, their corruption, human rights violations, over-centralization, and destruction of Thailand's democratic institutions will far exceed his. They probably already have.

 

Anyone can make a critique of power, but you need to provide viable alternatives. Thaksin's critics were never able to do this, so they took power by force.

 

Arguing that person A shouldn't be a country's leader is not the same as arguing that person B should, let alone arguing that the country should entirely change its system of government in order to prevent person A from prevailing. They can't even bring themselves to make this argument because of how bad it makes them look, so we're heading towards "absolute democracy" or "stable, Thai-style democracy" or whatever other Orwellian term they conjure up to mask naked authoritarian fascism.

 

His corruption came to light because he fell out with the wrong people. We've seen other cases of this recently, as well. Accusations of their corruption are swept under the rug, explained away as the lesser of evils, or simply left unanswered, while people are simply too intimidated to pursue them.

 

Edited August 18, 2016 by debate101

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yeah better to run eh Eric. But those 3000+ murdered during Thaksin's war on drugs and extra judicially executed, those Muslim's murdered by being piled on top of one another prior to any trial during Thaksin's governance, and those children murdered by red shirt thugs throwing bombs around while PTP turned a blind eye and applauded never got the chance to run anywhere. But they weren't billionaire criminals.

Read about the Krungthai case Eric. See if you think Thaksin just might be a tad hopeful in claiming everything should be dismissed as politically motivated when it's against him.

Read about how PTP weakened organizations, reduced their operating budgets, transferred people, threatened people in organizations in order to weaken the checks and balances on their administration Eric. Go on,  educate yourself. 

 

Freedom of speech - under the Shins. Naive and lacking veracity even by your standards. Remember the Shin tame police boss who said it would be a criminal offense to even "like" a negative comment on the Shins on social media; the cartoonist sued by Yingluck; the defamation suits slapped around by the Shins; the bombs or gun shots aimed at houses of those who dares challenge or criticize the Shins?

 

You really should do some actual research Eric. Simply believing Shin fairy tales and propaganda isn't good for you.

 

 

 

Diversion and knowing your style will not go anywhere. All the references have been discussed to death and not worth repeating. 

[Baerboxer]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

You facts are in a mess too BB. A government even a caretaker government is constitutional. A coup seized power from a legitimate government. 

 

He didnt changed the law to avoid tax, he changed the law on foreign holding. His capital gain tax avoidance was legal according to SET but did caused a public uproar over the increase holding by a foreign corporation in a  sensitive telecommunication industry. 

 

And thats how the cookies crumble.

 

 

 

 

Did you miss the bit about Thaksin resigning from the caretaker PM role? Or do you think it perfectly acceptable for him to change is mind and simply move back into the role as he pleased?

 

Interesting that some revenue officials have been found guilty of helping Thaksin's kids of avoiding tax but the Shins themselves weren't charged?

 

Do you think a PM, any PM, can just change laws to suit his business interests whenever and however he fancies?

[metisdead]

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[Baerboxer]

31 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

You facts are in a mess too BB. A government even a caretaker government is constitutional. A coup seized power from a legitimate government. 

 

He didnt changed the law to avoid tax, he changed the law on foreign holding. His capital gain tax avoidance was legal according to SET but did caused a public uproar over the increase holding by a foreign corporation in a  sensitive telecommunication industry. 

 

And thats how the cookies crumble.

 

 

 

 

he 2006 sale of the Shinawatra family's share of Shin Corporation (ShinCorp) to Temasek Holdings caused great controversy in Thailand. The sale was in response to long-standing criticisms that the Shinawatra family's holdings created a conflict of interest for Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Criticisms of the sale focused on the insistence by Thaksin and a compliant government that the transaction was exempt from capital gains tax (as per Revenue Department and Stock Exchange of Thailand regulations, later determined by Thai courts not to be legal) . Source Wikipedia.

 

Not legal according to the courts Eric. 

[Baerboxer]

25 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Diversion and knowing your style will not go anywhere. All the references have been discussed to death and not worth repeating. 

 

Hard to argue with facts Eric. 

[chainarong]

I cannot see Khun Thaksin being involved with anything of this nature , it serves him no purpose at all , far to much emphasis is pointed in the wrong direction,  especially from the senior Junta leaders, if supporters are involved it is only because of blind loyalty , not necessarily endorsed by Khun Thaksin , and the other view while everyone blames Mr " T " the perpetrators are dying of indigestion,  laughing.........................................