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Health Minister assures universal healthcare to continue

  

BANGKOK, 19 August 2016 (NNT) – The Minister of Public Health has affirmed universal healthcare in Thailand will not be abolished, instead stating that more services are to be made available while calling for all sides to help push for greater health insurance. 

Minister of Public Health Dr. Piyasakol Sakolsathayathorn has taken part in a forum titled “Striding Forward for Thai Health”, meeting with healthcare providers as well as patients from across the nation. 

The forum agreed that 3 main developments are needed in the Thai healthcare system; they are development of standards, development of payment systems and development of health insurance. It agreed the developments should conform to the Thailand 4.0 objective, by seeking to maximize value while utilizing small budgets. The minister took the opportunity to assure the forum that there are no plans to abolish Thailand’s universal healthcare system and that the government is seeking to include even more services. 

The forum focused on health insurance and discussed the matter in 8 aspects, which included what areas of health need insurance and management of local health insurance funds. 

 

-- nnt 2016-08-19

[aussieinthailand]

DID you read that rob from a similar post regarding the national heath care/ 30 baht system??????? 

This after you claiming they won't change anything, they'll leave it alone as nobody would stand for it no even you...

There  you go rob , a minimum of THREE amendment "developments"  to be made.... details would be of great help....

Three things needed to be developed,   1. the development of standards,   2. the development of PAYMENT SYSTEMS, and the development of health insurance.....   It is a well known fact  that the national health care has been in the cross hairs of a number of political groups and opponent's claiming it's to expensive rather they ignore the rampant corruption in the system and fix a major funding issue.

The development of standards, what will they be?  higher or lower standards?  anyone who has been in a public hospital will know the standards are pathetic to say the least,  but in their defense better than a lot of countries

Development of health insurance,  My health insurance cost me a lot more here than it did back in OZ.

Now the "PAYMENT SYSTEMS" are STILL NOT being made to the public but rather beat around the bush talking and saying nothing...

Will it be a co-payment of 30 baht?  or will that be abolished?   or will it be increased? 

I made comment on a similar post and was accused of being a liar, and spreading rumors, wasn't I rob.    So when the confirmed and accurate info is finally made public, what will you be doing rob???   cheers mate.

[JAG]

What will he do? What he always does.

Remain silent for a few days and then surface accusing someone else of lying about someone else. 

 

He simply cannot accept  or understand that anyone could have a different view than his.

[koolkarl]

Universal health care is not for legions of foreign old men living here.

The term retirement visa means to me something permanent  and therefore should receive the same

benefits as the citizens of Thailand.  

Either the Thai government provide same health insurance coverage to foreigners on a retirement visa 

or the term "retirement visa" is a fraud and therefore change it to it's true name, 1 year tourist visa.

Why these retirement visa people keep staying here with all that is against them is beyond me.

 

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

DID you read that rob from a similar post regarding the national heath care/ 30 baht system??????? 

This after you claiming they won't change anything, they'll leave it alone as nobody would stand for it no even you...

There  you go rob , a minimum of THREE amendment "developments"  to be made.... details would be of great help....

Three things needed to be developed,   1. the development of standards,   2. the development of PAYMENT SYSTEMS, and the development of health insurance.....   It is a well known fact  that the national health care has been in the cross hairs of a number of political groups and opponent's claiming it's to expensive rather they ignore the rampant corruption in the system and fix a major funding issue.

The development of standards, what will they be?  higher or lower standards?  anyone who has been in a public hospital will know the standards are pathetic to say the least,  but in their defense better than a lot of countries

Development of health insurance,  My health insurance cost me a lot more here than it did back in OZ.

Now the "PAYMENT SYSTEMS" are STILL NOT being made to the public but rather beat around the bush talking and saying nothing...

Will it be a co-payment of 30 baht?  or will that be abolished?   or will it be increased? 

I made comment on a similar post and was accused of being a liar, and spreading rumors, wasn't I rob.    So when the confirmed and accurate info is finally made public, what will you be doing rob???   cheers mate.

 

You need a hobby...

[DNPBC0]

I recommend bookmarking this assurance by the present government regime so that they can be reminded of it when they change their mind.

[robblok]

4 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

DID you read that rob from a similar post regarding the national heath care/ 30 baht system??????? 

This after you claiming they won't change anything, they'll leave it alone as nobody would stand for it no even you...

There  you go rob , a minimum of THREE amendment "developments"  to be made.... details would be of great help....

Three things needed to be developed,   1. the development of standards,   2. the development of PAYMENT SYSTEMS, and the development of health insurance.....   It is a well known fact  that the national health care has been in the cross hairs of a number of political groups and opponent's claiming it's to expensive rather they ignore the rampant corruption in the system and fix a major funding issue.

The development of standards, what will they be?  higher or lower standards?  anyone who has been in a public hospital will know the standards are pathetic to say the least,  but in their defense better than a lot of countries

Development of health insurance,  My health insurance cost me a lot more here than it did back in OZ.

Now the "PAYMENT SYSTEMS" are STILL NOT being made to the public but rather beat around the bush talking and saying nothing...

Will it be a co-payment of 30 baht?  or will that be abolished?   or will it be increased? 

I made comment on a similar post and was accused of being a liar, and spreading rumors, wasn't I rob.    So when the confirmed and accurate info is finally made public, what will you be doing rob???   cheers mate.

You seem to be right.. not sure what the payment would be but if its real bad then people should protest.

 

So I agree i was wrong and apologize though it still not says much about what will be done. I am as i told you against changes because it would be bad for the poor people.  

So I was wrong and you were right (or at least partly as we don't know what will happen and what they mean with development of payment systems) 

[robblok]

4 hours ago, JAG said:

What will he do? What he always does.

Remain silent for a few days and then surface accusing someone else of lying about someone else. 

 

He simply cannot accept  or understand that anyone could have a different view than his.

You have a short memory,, when I am proven wrong I am the first to accept it. But it has to be real clear I was wrong not something that can be debated. 

 

There are more then a few occasions that I have eaten humble pie, i don't shy away from that like some other posters. (not meaning you)

[aussieinthailand]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

You seem to be right.. not sure what the payment would be but if its real bad then people should protest.

 

So I agree i was wrong and apologize though it still not says much about what will be done. I am as i told you against changes because it would be bad for the poor people.  

So I was wrong and you were right (or at least partly as we don't know what will happen and what they mean with development of payment systems) 

Well done rob,   Yes  I know you are a man of your word and recant when you are wrong,   as am I and have recanted on occasions as well.

I now think you see why I used the word "scuttlebutt"  and not claimed it as fact, confirmed or accurate but simply a comment as to the things I have heard...  And no we don't know the details of the changes/amendments to the health system yet, that will become clear when the junta decides it warranted and not before.  The rest is conjecture or to use a tern of phrase " scuttlebutt". 

So kudos to you rob,  cheers mate.  I think robust debate is a healthy thing,  but sad to see the junta makes debate a crime under pain of threats with 10 years gaol.   again my thanks...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[aussieinthailand]

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

You need a hobby...

The fact is that the health system will be changed regardless of junta fan club claiming red shirt rumore and red shirt lies...

What's the matter scorecard,     don't like it when a comment is made,  then refuted and rebuffed as red shirt rumor and lies, then backed up by the selected junta crew as yes we really are making changes to the system without public input, but we are not giving details just yet.

Are you in the market for a few junta submarine's that were again and again denied, or maybe an election date that keeps being postponed???

Instead of having the intestinal fortitude to come out and admit the truth, you deflect and say " you need a hobby"  That would be weak and poor form in my and many peoples opinion. At least rob has the stones to admit he was wrong and therefor shows good form...

The fact remains, YES the heath system as it stands will have changes , just what changes are not yet public but  you keep going with your red shirt lies, red shirt , Thakisin, devil in Dubai, snot and you will be fine in your delusion, ok then lil fella........

 

[elgordo38]

8 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

DID you read that rob from a similar post regarding the national heath care/ 30 baht system??????? 

This after you claiming they won't change anything, they'll leave it alone as nobody would stand for it no even you...

There  you go rob , a minimum of THREE amendment "developments"  to be made.... details would be of great help....

Three things needed to be developed,   1. the development of standards,   2. the development of PAYMENT SYSTEMS, and the development of health insurance.....   It is a well known fact  that the national health care has been in the cross hairs of a number of political groups and opponent's claiming it's to expensive rather they ignore the rampant corruption in the system and fix a major funding issue.

The development of standards, what will they be?  higher or lower standards?  anyone who has been in a public hospital will know the standards are pathetic to say the least,  but in their defense better than a lot of countries

Development of health insurance,  My health insurance cost me a lot more here than it did back in OZ.

Now the "PAYMENT SYSTEMS" are STILL NOT being made to the public but rather beat around the bush talking and saying nothing...

Will it be a co-payment of 30 baht?  or will that be abolished?   or will it be increased? 

I made comment on a similar post and was accused of being a liar, and spreading rumors, wasn't I rob.    So when the confirmed and accurate info is finally made public, what will you be doing rob???   cheers mate.

This government is a sleight of hand/deceptive government like the movie "Now You See Me Now You Don't" Like the sub deal they deny deny deny and then bang "Bob's your uncle" They could put it in writing and it would still not be worth the paper it is written on.

[elgordo38]

2 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

Well done rob,   Yes  I know you are a man of your word and recant when you are wrong,   as am I and have recanted on occasions as well.

I now think you see why I used the word "scuttlebutt"  and not claimed it as fact, confirmed or accurate but simply a comment as to the things I have heard...  And no we don't know the details of the changes/amendments to the health system yet, that will become clear when the junta decides it warranted and not before.  The rest is conjecture or to use a tern of phrase " scuttlebutt". 

So kudos to you rob,  cheers mate.  I think robust debate is a healthy thing,  but sad to see the junta makes debate a crime under pain of threats with 10 years gaol.   again my thanks...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to many people will admit they were wrong. Bravo. Some can really be blustery old buggers. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[robblok]

11 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

Well done rob,   Yes  I know you are a man of your word and recant when you are wrong,   as am I and have recanted on occasions as well.

I now think you see why I used the word "scuttlebutt"  and not claimed it as fact, confirmed or accurate but simply a comment as to the things I have heard...  And no we don't know the details of the changes/amendments to the health system yet, that will become clear when the junta decides it warranted and not before.  The rest is conjecture or to use a tern of phrase " scuttlebutt". 

So kudos to you rob,  cheers mate.  I think robust debate is a healthy thing,  but sad to see the junta makes debate a crime under pain of threats with 10 years gaol.   again my thanks...

 

 

We still don't know what payment means maybe pay extra for other services. I would think its real bad if this hurts the poor people. I must however make a few remarks about healthcare. Even in my country not we pay for healthcare (one part income based and an other part to a health insurer). This was done so people could see what healthcare costs and its a lot. The thing is in Thailand the healthcare budget has the potential to explode beyond what any government can pay. The problem is there are not many taxpayers.

 

Now with new medicine at a high price becoming available and new treatments and an aging population this could get real expensive. So its natural (not saying its morally just) that something has to be done. Choices have to be made in my country its no longer normal for a real old person to get for instance a new knee (because they are old already and maybe dont have long to go). You cant just give the same treatment to everyone it would be too expensive. So giving a treatment like that to a younger person is more economically. Also if you open up all the expensive experimental treatments then it will get even more expensive. Who is paying for it.. the taxpayers. So yes I understand that choices have to be made and Thailand will have to make choices too before the budget becomes far to big. 

[aussieinthailand]

10 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

The fact is that the health system will be changed regardless of junta fan club claiming red shirt rumore and red shirt lies...

What's the matter scorecard,     don't like it when a comment is made,  then refuted and rebuffed as red shirt rumor and lies, then backed up by the selected junta crew as yes we really are making changes to the system without public input, but we are not giving details just yet.

Are you in the market for a few junta submarine's that were again and again denied, or maybe an election date that keeps being postponed???

Instead of having the intestinal fortitude to come out and admit the truth, you deflect and say " you need a hobby"  That would be weak and poor form in my and many peoples opinion. At least rob has the stones to admit he was wrong and therefor shows good form...

The fact remains, YES the heath system as it stands will have changes , just what changes are not yet public but  you keep going with your red shirt lies, red shirt , Thakisin, devil in Dubai, snot and you will be fine in your delusion, ok then lil fella........

 

Big surprise there  scorecard, you've done your usual hit and run when facts are presented and you don't like em so you claim red shirt propaganda, red shirt lies, pathetic...

The national health system has been on several people's hit list for quite a while, Now these people that want the national health system removed or messed with like with large co-payments wouldn't ever go too a public hospital and understand just how the real world works as they would be all fitted up with top notch privet health insurance, but as it won't affect them or their family's they are of a mind, bugga the poor, let them die or sell off the family farm if they want their wives' husbands, kids can live a little longer...

[aussieinthailand]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

We still don't know what payment means maybe pay extra for other services. I would think its real bad if this hurts the poor people. I must however make a few remarks about healthcare. Even in my country not we pay for healthcare (one part income based and an other part to a health insurer). This was done so people could see what healthcare costs and its a lot. The thing is in Thailand the healthcare budget has the potential to explode beyond what any government can pay. The problem is there are not many taxpayers.

 

Now with new medicine at a high price becoming available and new treatments and an aging population this could get real expensive. So its natural (not saying its morally just) that something has to be done. Choices have to be made in my country its no longer normal for a real old person to get for instance a new knee (because they are old already and maybe dont have long to go). You cant just give the same treatment to everyone it would be too expensive. So giving a treatment like that to a younger person is more economically. Also if you open up all the expensive experimental treatments then it will get even more expensive. Who is paying for it.. the taxpayers. So yes I understand that choices have to be made and Thailand will have to make choices too before the budget becomes far to big. 

Completely agree, much the same policy's on health care in OZ are the same as you describe in your country such as income base tax or as it is called in OZ medicare levy in addition to a goods and service's tax and a pay income tax, so the Aussie's are well and truly being hit up tax wise and still the national health system is overwhelmed.

As I have said is past post's one of the BIG problems with Thai health system is the unbridled blatant in your face rampant corruption that is ignored and just let go as no one has the stones to tackle it as to much money to be made and talking about it bad for your and or your family's health...  

Case in point, My wife has a small medical devise removed, which a nurse can do and 2 stiches, public hospital say she must admit for 2 days, She goes' too a privet hospital job done and out in 20 mins and 500 baht.  then she needs an injection, public hospital admit one day.  she goes' privet injection 15 mins and 1,500 baht.

Next my wife goes' to see a specialist in the city 30 baht tax funded,  he writes her a prescription,  30 baht tax funded, but can only get 50%  prescription filled in hospital pharmacy, she must return too the umper small hospital and see a GP there, a second go at the 30 baht system, he  writes her a new prescription 30 baht tax funded to fill the second half of the original prescription as they refuse to fill the specialist script from another hospital. And finally there's a third hospital she must go too 30 baht tax funded for specialist and lab results whilst on transplant waiting list.  So you see this should all be done by one doctor in one hospital in one visit.  but not here in the land of scams...  This just one person, now go too a public hospital in the city and every day there are thousands of people,  or a small hospital in umper there are hundreds every day,  result corruption,  and national health care is to expensive... So who's making the money?  that's EZ, drug companies, medical supply companies, insurance companies, and who runs the hospitals? Government,

So the challenge to the junta leader would be to use article 44 to clean up the health system and benefit the people for a change, rather than using it to make new draconian laws to gaol people for expressing their opinion or clicking like on FB, then he might just get some credibility as what a real leader is.  Cheers.

 

[robblok]

4 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

Completely agree, much the same policy's on health care in OZ are the same as you describe in your country such as income base tax or as it is called in OZ medicare levy in addition to a goods and service's tax and a pay income tax, so the Aussie's are well and truly being hit up tax wise and still the national health system is overwhelmed.

As I have said is past post's one of the BIG problems with Thai health system is the unbridled blatant in your face rampant corruption that is ignored and just let go as no one has the stones to tackle it as to much money to be made and talking about it bad for your and or your family's health...  

Case in point, My wife has a small medical devise removed, which a nurse can do and 2 stiches, public hospital say she must admit for 2 days, She goes' too a privet hospital job done and out in 20 mins and 500 baht.  then she needs an injection, public hospital admit one day.  she goes' privet injection 15 mins and 1,500 baht.

Next my wife goes' to see a specialist in the city 30 baht tax funded,  he writes her a prescription,  30 baht tax funded, but can only get 50%  prescription filled in hospital pharmacy, she must return too the umper small hospital and see a GP there, a second go at the 30 baht system, he  writes her a new prescription 30 baht tax funded to fill the second half of the original prescription as they refuse to fill the specialist script from another hospital. And finally there's a third hospital she must go too 30 baht tax funded for specialist and lab results whilst on transplant waiting list.  So you see this should all be done by one doctor in one hospital in one visit.  but not here in the land of scams...  This just one person, now go too a public hospital in the city and every day there are thousands of people,  or a small hospital in umper there are hundreds every day,  result corruption,  and national health care is to expensive... So who's making the money?  that's EZ, drug companies, medical supply companies, insurance companies, and who runs the hospitals? Government,

So the challenge to the junta leader would be to use article 44 to clean up the health system and benefit the people for a change, rather than using it to make new draconian laws to gaol people for expressing their opinion or clicking like on FB, then he might just get some credibility as what a real leader is.  Cheers.

 

Crazy bureaucracy, why would they work like this.. to keep their job.. I always thought there was enough work for hospitals.

 

Hope your wife gets her transplant soon must be bad waiting for something like that.

 

I have had them trying to keep me overnight (to inject me with antibiotics every 6 hours) But I had work to do too busy to stay in the hospital (just a crushed too and they insisted on the antibiotics like that to prevent infection). So i managed to go there every 6 hours just for the injection ( i live close to the hospital). But it took a lot of begging and doing. It was a private hospital and I am fully insured.  

Edited August 20, 2016 by robblok