Multiple Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip after Palestinian rocket attack

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

There are no Israeli troops, no requirements for Israeli building permits, no illegal Israeli settlements and no ongoing land "theft".

 

Another point of clarification, please (because you do tend to write in absolutes): are you saying that the things above do not exist at all, or that they are off-topic?

[Morch]

15 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Another point of clarification, please (because you do tend to write in absolutes): are you saying that the things above do not exist at all, or that they are off-topic?

 

You'll have to do better. These things do not exist with regards to the Gaza Strip.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Morch

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

So because other powerful countries ignore UN resolutions which go against their illegal activities, Israel should be excused the same? Should we all submit to bullies no matter how they persecute us and steal our land and our rights?

 

There are multiple UN resolutions calling the Palestinians to cease violence as well. Indiscriminate shooting of rockets at civilians areas is not condoned by the UN as well. 

 

I believe that what some posters are aiming at is the obsession with which some treat every Israeli transgression.

[Galactus]

42 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

This topic is about a rocket attack launched from the Gaza Strip. There are no Israeli troops, no requirements for Israeli building permits, no illegal Israeli settlements and no ongoing land "theft".

 

Those finding Israeli politicians unsavory would do well to have a clue as to what their Palestinian counterparts are like. Same same.

 

But do carry on about "nonsense", rather than addressing the  OP....

 

what i write is directly related with the topic but what about your reply to my post? any single relation or just saying things to say something again.

my post clearly explains why we see rockets flying to Israel from Palestinian side.

 

48 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I genuinely believe the Palestinians could have had a peace treaty,  and been helped to create thriving communities anytime since about 1949.

 

Instead the get manipulated by religious zealots and extremists in countries that, whilst the same religion and race, actually help them little in reality.

 

Israel responds to attack in the only way terrorists understand. Something the West is now beginning to understand. 

 

i believe Israelis prevented the peace and were/are manipulated by some radical Jewish religious zealots, fascist politicians and back up from US and UK plus greedy cheap and broke radical jew settlers want to steal and sit on some land belong to others.

if Israel goes this way, there will be no peace. They will steal all land belongs to Palestinians and raze their homes and oppress, kill and displace the Palestinians until there will be no Palestinians living there to make peace.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Galactus

[Steely Dan]

I realize the obsessives have little interest in the o.p, save as an excuse to indulge in the usual pro-forma whining, but the water tower claimed to be damaged in the o.p at Beit Hanoun was in fact damaged back in 2014. Alas though a notch above the level of our esteemed members the journalist responsible for the o.p evidently just regurgitated what he was told by the Palestinians without checking basic facts.

 

http://www.israellycool.com/2016/08/21/latest-pallywood-blood-libel-tower-of-babble-edition/

[Galactus]

2 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:

 

 

I realize the obsessives have little interest in the o.p, save as an excuse to indulge in the usual pro-forma whining, but the water tower claimed to be damaged in the o.p at Beit Hanoun was in fact damaged back in 2014. Alas though a notch above the level of our esteemed members the journalist responsible for the o.p evidently just regurgitated what he was told by the Palestinians without checking basic facts.

 

http://www.israellycool.com/2016/08/21/latest-pallywood-blood-libel-tower-of-babble-edition/

 

oh yeah fine then, just it has been bombed two years ago so is it OK? is it bombed by Israelis or not at the end? 

plus as some claims, maybe it was bombed again yesterday. personally dont trust Zionist propaganda outlets sure you cant blame me for that.

these are just small details to make the waters muddy.

 

truth is they dont have water source or they cant store water at that water tower anymore.

and such instances are making the probabilities of missiles flying to Israel higher, sure you see that like some in Israel. 

so because of some cheap greedy settlers and fascist politicians supporting them, all Palestinians suffer and Israelis live in fear. just for some piece of desert land.

 

[Steely Dan]

3 minutes ago, Galactus said:

 

oh yeah fine then, just it has been bombed two years ago so is it OK? is it bombed by Israelis or not at the end? 

plus as some claims, maybe it was bombed again yesterday. personally dont trust Zionist propaganda outlets sure you cant blame me for that.

these are just small details to make the waters muddy.

 

truth is they dont have water source or they cant store water at that water tower anymore.

and such instances are making the probabilities of missiles flying to Israel higher, sure you see that like some in Israel. 

so because of some cheap greedy settlers and fascist politicians supporting them, all Palestinians suffer and Israelis live in fear. just for some piece of desert land.

 

If the media and supposed pro-Palestinian activists had ANY interest whatsoever in the truth they would not be trying to recycle photos from 2014. Incidentally whining about water is a recent trend with the Palestinians, they never fail to attempt to libel Israel over their water supply. 

 

Incidentally the Israeli response yesterday was a warning not a retaliation, thirty whacking great craters in open ground demonstrate this.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

You'll have to do better. These things do not exist with regards to the Gaza Strip.

 

"The United Nations, Human Rights Watch and many other international bodies and NGOs continues to consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip as Israel controls Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controls the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea." source

 

How does that happen without troops?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

There are multiple UN resolutions calling the Palestinians to cease violence as well. Indiscriminate shooting of rockets at civilians areas is not condoned by the UN as well. 

 

I believe that what some posters are aiming at is the obsession with which some treat every Israeli transgression.

 

OK, but that doesn't address my point (and I will state unequivocally that I think all rockets should be halted regardless of what the intended target is) - it is just whataboutery.

[khunken]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I genuinely believe the Palestinians could have had a peace treaty,  and been helped to create thriving communities anytime since about 1949.

 

Instead the get manipulated by religious zealots and extremists in countries that, whilst the same religion and race, actually help them little in reality.

 

Israel responds to attack in the only way terrorists understand. Something the West is now beginning to understand. 

 

If you genuinely believe that any of the proposed treaties offered a real 2-state solution you obviously haven't read the contents. The last effort by Bill Clinton wouldn't even qualify as a one-and-a-half state solution as like all the biased negotiators (except one - Jimmy Carter) he just regurgitated Israel's puerile offer.

 

Firing rockets from Gaza has always been due to extreme frustration with no ending to being locked in a virtual prisoner of war enclave with the prison guards deciding who & what is allowed in or out. But it's all part of the Apartheid system foisted on the Palestinians as a whole.

[ddavidovsky]

Firing rockets represents their last vestige of pride. They know they've lost the war. They know they'll get bombarded in return for a single squib, but a bit of pride is all they have left and they'll defend that to their graves. Stubborness and stupidity, perhaps, but also human nature. Israel needs to understand that they can't bomb the pride out of people, it only dins it deeper in.

 

The only solution to the problem is to restore Palestinian pride, and that means their own state. Not that Israel cares, because it's long-term agenda is to annex the whole of Palestine, an ambition that is not only destablising the whole world, but is causing renewed anti-semitism - they had a lot of sympathy after the holocaust but they've blown it.

[Ulysses G.]

4 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

 

The only solution to the problem is to restore Palestinian pride, and that means their own state. 

 

Don't you mean their own terrorist military base? It ain't going to happen until the Palestinians renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty. They should have done it 70 years ago. They wouldn't have anything to complain about.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Another point of clarification, please (because you do tend to write in absolutes): are you saying that the things above do not exist at all, or that they are off-topic?

 

 

Time for some reading lessons. Morch clearly said that they were way off topic.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

So because other powerful countries ignore UN resolutions which go against their illegal activities, Israel should be excused the same?

 

They certainly should not be singled out obsessively, while the others are mostly ignored. I do not see you -and those of your ilk - worry much about other countries ignoring the UN.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

They certainly should not be singled out obsessively, while the others are mostly ignored. I do not see you -and those of your ilk - worry much about other countries ignoring the UN.

 

Of course you don't see me and my ilk worrying about anything else - firstly TV is your only opening on my world (unless you are stalking me elsewhere?) and secondly, there are few topics so repetitious on World News.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

"The United Nations, Human Rights Watch and many other international bodies and NGOs continues to consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip as Israel controls Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controls the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea." source

 

How does that happen without troops?

 

Expected better trolling from you. Rather than quote my words out of context, please read again the post I was replying to - it tied all the woes of the Israeli occupation to this single attack. Some of the issues mentioned do not directly pertain to the situation in the Gaza Strip - there are no illegal settlements, no razing of houses, no building permits required and no permanent presence of Israeli troops within the Gaza Strip.

 

Nowhere did I say anything about Israel not being considered the occupying force, or that the blockade of the Gaza Strip is maintained by IDF troops.

 

[Morch]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

OK, but that doesn't address my point (and I will state unequivocally that I think all rockets should be halted regardless of what the intended target is) - it is just whataboutery.

 

Your point seems to be that when it comes to violations of UN resolutions,  Israel is ought to be singled out and made an example of. Have a quick look at the topic appearing on this sub-forum - note how many detail worse things then the OP, and yet draw only a meager response (if at all)?  This does not make all of Israel's actions and policies righteous. It merely puts things in perspective.

 

[Morch]

6 hours ago, khunken said:

 

If you genuinely believe that any of the proposed treaties offered a real 2-state solution you obviously haven't read the contents. The last effort by Bill Clinton wouldn't even qualify as a one-and-a-half state solution as like all the biased negotiators (except one - Jimmy Carter) he just regurgitated Israel's puerile offer.

 

Firing rockets from Gaza has always been due to extreme frustration with no ending to being locked in a virtual prisoner of war enclave with the prison guards deciding who & what is allowed in or out. But it's all part of the Apartheid system foisted on the Palestinians as a whole.

 

Launching rockets became a thing, as suicide bombings became a less viable option. The decrease in suicide bombings and such is related to the blockade being in place. Chicken. Egg.

 

The blockade is maintained by Egypt as well. There are no rockets launched at Egypt.

The Palestinians in the West Bank suffer the Israeli occupation on a daily basis. There are no rockets launched from the West Bank.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

Firing rockets represents their last vestige of pride. They know they've lost the war. They know they'll get bombarded in return for a single squib, but a bit of pride is all they have left and they'll defend that to their graves. Stubborness and stupidity, perhaps, but also human nature. Israel needs to understand that they can't bomb the pride out of people, it only dins it deeper in.

 

The only solution to the problem is to restore Palestinian pride, and that means their own state. Not that Israel cares, because it's long-term agenda is to annex the whole of Palestine, an ambition that is not only destablising the whole world, but is causing renewed anti-semitism - they had a lot of sympathy after the holocaust but they've blown it.

 

Quite a romantic approach there, and a bunch of unfounded assumptions.

The notion that there's a unified, single agenda driving either side is amusing at best.

 

People proclaiming an "only solution" to complex issues are almost always off-mark. Doubt that seen through the narrow conditions of "statehood" and "pride", a negotiated outcome would necessarily satisfy the Palestinian ethos.

 

As for Israel, there is no agreed upon long term agenda to annex the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. There are supporters for this, sure. In the same way that there are Palestinians who see their future state as incorporating present-day Israel.

 

And no, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, on the whole is not a major destabilizing factor with regard to global security. If it was to be resolved tomorrow, most of the security issues plaguing the region (and surely, the World) would not magically disappear.

 

[Thorgal]

The rusty pipe felt between two buildings in Sderot.

 

Looks like Iron Dome didn't worked (again) as expected. 

 

 

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The rusty pipe felt between two buildings in Sderot.

 

Looks like Iron Dome didn't worked (again) as expected. 

 

 

 

It was reported that there was no Iron Dome battery deployed in the area at the time of the attack. There's one deployed nearby now.

There were questions raised (at least by media, local civilians) regarding the IDF's operational policy. The IDF cited risk management, costs, maintenance and training as reasons for the above.

 

 

[Ulysses G.]

19 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The rusty pipe felt between two buildings in Sderot.

 

Looks like Iron Dome didn't worked (again) as expected. 

 

 

 

Iron Dome is only used when its radar determines that the target constitutes a threat to a designated area. No sense in wasting Tamir interceptor missiles.

[RickG16]

Never ceases to amaze me how everyone suddenly becomes experts when Israel / Palestine comes up. This strange fascination with a country they probably have no connection with. Having lived there for 2 years I can just say most people on both sides just want to get on with their everyday lives, and protect their children.

 

They aren't politicians they are normal people, but in the West we seem to use the Middle East as some weird kind of debating fodder. If you really care go there and do something about it - that goes for either side.  

[t8769]

>Never ceases to amaze me how everyone suddenly becomes experts when Israel / Palestine comes up.

Yes, indeeedy.

There have been hundreds of wars, most in which far more people were killed. The Pali/Israel conflict is one of the smallest with one of the lowest death rates of any conflict in the past 50 years.

More people are killed in one day, in Syria, than in 10 years involving Israel.

The reason its important is because of the Joooooooooz.

Lets face it, if it was the Turks fighting Kurds, no one would give a monkey's.

 

Its a religious war, nothing to do with land or 'stealing land' or other such nonsense, as one poster keeps claiming.

 

People all over the Middle East are killing each other by the million, stealing land and doing much worse - does anyone care? No.

Here's the problem.

The Israelis want to stay alive, the people around want to wipe them out - literally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2016 by t8769

[Ulysses G.]

41 minutes ago, t8769 said:

The reason its important is because of the Joooooooooz.

Lets face it, if it was the Turks fighting Kurds, no one would give a monkey's.

 

Its a religious war, nothing to do with land or 'stealing land' or other such nonsense, as one poster keeps claiming.

 

Absolutely correct, but unfortunately, it is not just one poster. It is bunch of them and - from looking at their content - they do not seem concerned with anyone's human rights who is not a Muslim.

[monkey4u]

Build a wall around the whole of the middle east then let the whole of the middle east wipe itself out

[Pakboong]

I see the situation a bit differently than most perhaps because of my professional background or whatever.

I know a couple of things to be true that kind of get glossed over that are completely relevant.

First of all, Israel holds Hamas responsible for anything that happens in Gaza. That would be a lovely and simple happening if it wasn't for the fact that Israel handles hundreds of agents of various degrees who operate within Gaza. These agents handle hundreds of informants who also operate within Gaza on a daily basis. It is pretty obvious to the dumbest among us that Hamas can not control Israeli agents. Over 20 Israeli agents were executed in the 2014 war but there are too many left to count. It is one of the best paying jobs in Gaza.

 

With that having been said and I guaranty that to be absolutely true, how can Hamas stop an individual who decides to fire a home made rocket into the desert on the other side of the border at Sderot which is only 840 meters from the wall? Can't be done. So obviously, there is nothing to gain from this for the hapless Palestinians trapped in Gaza. Cui Bono takes us to what should be obvious but as I read through these posts, I get the impression that we collectively do not understand how these things work.

 

It may be the greatest catch 22 of all time.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Pakboong

[Ulysses G.]

8 minutes ago, Pakboong said:

 

With that having been said and I guaranty that to be absolutely true, how can Hamas stop an individual who decides to fire a home made rocket into the desert on the other side of the border at Sderot which is only 840 meters from the wall?

 

Are you trying to claim that all the rockets are fired by "lone wolves"? A lot of your posts are the stuff of conspiracy theories, but this one takes the cake. Hamas rules with an iron hand. They know everything that is going on in Gaza.

[Pakboong]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

Are you trying to claim that all the rockets are fired by "lone wolves"? A lot of your posts are the stuff of conspiracy theories, but this one takes the cake. Hamas rules with an iron hand. They know everything that is going on in Gaza.

Ulysses, with all due respect, that has never been true.

[SgtRock]

14 minutes ago, Pakboong said:

With that having been said and I guaranty that to be absolutely true, how can Hamas stop an individual who decides to fire a home made rocket into the desert on the other side of the border at Sderot which is only 840 meters from the wall? Can't be done.

 

How many individuals are running about with home made rockets ? Not an item that one would normally have an abundance of lying around in the garden shed.

 

Firing a home made rocket is an terrorist act. As with most terrorist organisations that terrorist act is sanctioned by the people running the terrorist organisation.

 

Hamas can stop it by not making / acquiring these home made devices and by not sanctioning the attacks.

 

Very, very few terrorists acts are committed by individuals acting alone.

 

It can be done, and it can be done very easily.