The clean up of Thailand's hanging wires - more of a headache than first thought!

[chainarong]

3 hours ago, Rorri said:

Do what they do in Australia, put in the underground cable/infrastructure, then move customers onto it, then hey, remove the overhead cables, Thailand, it is not rocket science. Would you like me to help...lol

All new installation Cables are  underground in OZ including underground power has been around for 2 decades at least , but on a point of order General, when our power and networks were above ground we had nothing like Thailand's  India's and most of Asia's unique experience,  it can only be described as <deleted>!!in terrible Mate.

[mike324]

3 hours ago, Rorri said:

Do what they do in Australia, put in the underground cable/infrastructure, then move customers onto it, then hey, remove the overhead cables, Thailand, it is not rocket science. Would you like me to help...lol

 

Actually they have started the construction of underground infrastructure since 1-2 years ago in Bangkok on Sukhumvit road. Contruction can be seen at early hours of the morning.

[trogers]

1 hour ago, williamgeorgeallen said:

remember when a group of dutch drainage engineers came over a few years ago to help bankoks flooding issues? they left a report of what needed to be done which was completely ignored and bangkok continues to flood. thais to proud to listen to foreigners. hate to think of the high voltage cables underground during floods. as usual this will be put in the 'too hard basket' and bought back up in a year or 2.

 

The high voltage line in my soi (Sukhumvit 24) has just be placed under the footpath leaving hanging signal cables.

[daveAustin]

They have to go, but would prefer the mutts and polluting tuk-tuks to be sorted first. However, we should just be mindful that, with all these improvements, Muang Thai will eventually end up looking like some sterile, poor man's Singapore.

[JaseTheBass]

45 minutes ago, Rorri said:

The idea is to provide for future capacity, eg if currently have 500 customer, put a 1000 pair capcity in. If installed in conduit another cable can be hauled in.

 

The concept of 'future' or 'forethought' doesn't exist in thailand.

[trogers]

2 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

They have to go, but would prefer the mutts and polluting tuk-tuks to be sorted first. However, we should just be mindful that, with all these improvements, Muang Thai will eventually end up looking like some sterile, poor man's Singapore.

 

Not possible. Singapore pre-designed their roadways to accommodate services.

[Autonuaq]

2 hours ago, Rorri said:

Wrong, armoured are for special circumstances, most are poly cables, at ti es pressurised to prevent water ingress.

 

I might add, I've worked in the industry for over40 years.

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underground can become even a more worse nightmare because the trenches and cable move and popup at unexpected places. moved by the soil. The soft soil in many areas make it worse.

 

Underground looks nice and even with a good administration and discipline cable and pipes move due the nature of soil/Some stay at the place others move around as seen many areas around the world experience.

besides the well-known fact that there are contractors who not always put the cable on the specified depth to save money. 

and also not forget the force of nature in the soil  make that things are not on the expected depths come up or are pulled down. Even in Ubam areas many times the cables and pipes are not there where they supposed to be to the plan, they just moved. Of course one probably can come up with some very expensive solutions to fix all to each other not expect that happen due to the high costs involved .  

 

There is a lot learn for the Thai as well in the future with the removal of the cable when they are not needed anymore,

The current system has advantages as well disadvantages, The under the ground version has advantages and disadvantages. conversion from one to the other is there are several ways to do it. The most straight forward is build the new one connect and then remove the old one clear the area.

 

 

[monkey4u]

3 hours ago, Rorri said:

Do what they do in Australia, put in the underground cable/infrastructure, then move customers onto it, then hey, remove the overhead cables, Thailand, it is not rocket science. Would you like me to help...lol

That's much harder than rocket science for the workers here

Putting them underground is depriving them of somewhere to play

[piersbeckett]

2 hours ago, Rorri said:

Wrong, armoured are for special circumstances, most are poly cables, at ti es pressurised to prevent water ingress.

 

I might add, I've worked in the industry for over40 years.

You've got the hang of it then

[Billy Bloggs]

4 hours ago, Rorri said:

Do what they do in Australia, put in the underground cable/infrastructure, then move customers onto it, then hey, remove the overhead cables, Thailand, it is not rocket science. Would you like me to help...lol

Move customers on to what, they still havent got the NBN to how much of the country, the internet speeds for the rest is terrible and you pay an arm and a leg for the privilege. 

[jamie2009]

3 hours ago, trogers said:

 

Which should be the normal way...as underground cables have to be armoured.

Not so easy too solve this problem, 

instal underground ducting then install fibre optic cables, doesn't have to be armoured as its protected by the ducting, create Junction Boxes every so often for the invidual users to 'tap' into. The main Trunk Cables to be GovernmentPrivately owned and the Cable Companies rent theN what is required, similar to what they do in the UK.

Of course there would be huge disruption when doing this but by using the correct size of Fibre Optic Cable there should no need too instal anymore at a later date.

 

[trogers]

11 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

Not so easy too solve this problem, 

instal underground ducting then install fibre optic cables, doesn't have to be armoured as its protected by the ducting, create Junction Boxes every so often for the invidual users to 'tap' into. The main Trunk Cables to be GovernmentPrivately owned and the Cable Companies rent theN what is required, similar to what they do in the UK.

Of course there would be huge disruption when doing this but by using the correct size of Fibre Optic Cable there should no need too instal anymore at a later date.

 

 

Technical issues are solvable. What is impossible is to get the different organizations to work and co-ordinate together...

[Caveat Emptor]

3 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said:

A couple of months ago workmen started pull down the overhead wires over a section of the soi in front of my home and having done so disappeared leaving them all over the place including on the roadway.

After several weeks they returned and removed all the wires,  well when I say   '  removed  '   they simply threw them into the ditches on either side of the soi and left.

Job Done.

 

   I wonder in how many other locations the  '  clean up  '   was simply to brig the wires down to the ground and walk away   ?

[Rorri]

1 hour ago, Autonuaq said:

underground can become even a more worse nightmare because the trenches and cable move and popup at unexpected places. moved by the soil. The soft soil in many areas make it worse.

 

Underground looks nice and even with a good administration and discipline cable and pipes move due the nature of soil/Some stay a the place others move around as seen many areas around the world experiencei.

besides the well-known fact that there are contractors who not always put the cable on the specified depth to save money. 

and also not forget the force of nature in the soil  make that things are not on the expected depths come up or are pulled down. Even in Ubam areas many times the cables and pipes are not there where they supposed to be to the plan, they just moved. Of course one probably can come up with some very expensive solutions to fix all to each other not expect that happen due to the high costs involved .  

 

There is a lot learn for the Thai as well in the future with the removal of the cable when they are not needed anymore,

The current system has advantages as well disadvantages, The under the ground version has advantages and disadvantages. conversion from one to the other is there are several ways to do it. The most straight forward is build the new one connect and then remove the old one clear the area.

 

 

Oh dear, perhaps you believe, for some very strange reason, that Thailand is unique, I have news, it isn't. If the soil moved, as much as you propose, the nothi g would be safe... roads, bridges, biuldinds, railways, water pipes etc... time to understand, other countries bury their infrastructure, Thailand is NOT unique.

[Rorri]

1 hour ago, Billy Bloggs said:

Move customers on to what, they still havent got the NBN to how much of the country, the internet speeds for the rest is terrible and you pay an arm and a leg for the privilege. 

Completely different subject, NBN is still under construction, but hey, you've had your said, hope you feel good.

And this is about Thailand..

[Khon Kaen Dave]

'We are gonna do this,we are gonna do that,we vow to do"

Starts off great,then nothing happens,and it gets forgotten about.And then when it comes to light again,theres a reason why it hasn't been done,or cant be done,or is proving more difficult to do.

[louse1953]

7 hours ago, dcnx said:

Seems a bit like the visa process here.

 

Welcome to our world.

Rubbish.

[gandalf12]

3 hours ago, phycokiller said:

they should leave them, maybe Bill Gates will come back and take more photos and spend more money, he probably thought it was the most interesting thing about the place. turn them into a tourist attraction

We have had the Hanging Gardens of Babylon so why not the Hanging Wires of Thailand 

[louse1953]

3 hours ago, daveAustin said:

They have to go, but would prefer the mutts and polluting tuk-tuks to be sorted first. However, we should just be mindful that, with all these improvements, Muang Thai will eventually end up looking like some sterile, poor man's Singapore.

By polluting tuk tuks i presume you mean noise.They have been on gas for decades.

[PETERTHEEATER]

Just leave them be. At the rate Bangkok is sinking they will all be underground in a few years......

[sambum]

6 hours ago, joepattaya1961 said:

 

Rorri, if they treat the "above-the-ground" system as if it was underground there won't be a problem. 

I mean, will they dig up the underground-system every time they need to add a cable or will they have some kind of way to use the existing cables?

It's just a matter of laziness of the provider engineers: putting up a new cable is far more easy than finding a non-used cable. 

 

That's what seems to have caused the problem in the first place!

[jamesbrock]

"The clean up of Thailand's hanging wires - more of a headache than first thought."

 

Well, no, not to anyone who's IQ is higher than the temperature. A gargantuan task that involves countless companies to be carried out by people who have never had to do anything properly in their lives, without any assistance or advice by, god forbid, foreign professionals who may have done this type of project before - of course it was going to be a massive headache! Anyone who thought this an easy task obviously didn't think about it at all.

[uptoyoumyfriend]

thank you bill gates for making a difference....

[Paul944]

On Samui the sparking wires make up for the lack of street lights. Also the sparking sizzles and cracking can guide the blind. 

[sambum]

2 minutes ago, Paul944 said:

On Samui the sparking wires make up for the lack of street lights. Also the sparking sizzles and cracking can guide the blind. 

 

Possibly the reason for the 5 hour power cut last night (and the power cut the previous night!)

[Basil B]

8 hours ago, Rorri said:

Do what they do in Australia, put in the underground cable/infrastructure, then move customers onto it, then hey, remove the overhead cables, Thailand, it is not rocket science. Would you like me to help...lol

 

Could join the 1st world and go fibber optic...

[Golden Triangle]

Our local authority (whatever you call them) have just spent billions of Baht laying new storm drains, resurfacing the road with about a foot of concrete - really yes a foot, and installing pretty new street lights over more than 2 kms. The work took well over a year and was a pain in the butt, what did they do with the Black Spaghetti ? nothing, just restrung it from the very pretty new street lights, a wasted opportunity to say the least.

 

Pic 1 is the completed section outside the village, pic 2 is the bit that they are underway with at the moment.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Golden Triangle
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[dcnx]

Those wires are a perfect image that represents the chaos of the country and how difficult it will be to untangle the mess they have all built.

 

They should put an image of tangled wires on their flag.

[jamesbrock]

2 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

Our local authority (whatever you call them) have just spent billions of Baht laying new storm drains, resurfacing the road with about a foot of concrete - really yes a foot, and installing pretty new street lights over more than 2 kms. The work took well over a year and was a pain in the butt, what did they do with the Black Spaghetti ? nothing, just restrung it from the very pretty new street lights, a wasted opportunity to say the least.

 

Pic 1 is the completed section outside the village, pic 2 is the bit that they are underway with at the moment.

 

Is there a camber on that new road at all?

[Reigntax]

10 hours ago, Rorri said:

Wrong, armoured are for special circumstances, most are poly cables, at ti es pressurised to prevent water ingress.

 

I might add, I've worked in the industry for over40 years.

 

Pressurised. Bulldust

Even if the conduit were only buried 300mm below ground level, the required pressure to stop water ingress would be 2.94kPa and that assuming no surface water depth over and above. It would also mean that any access hatch, even a small on measuring say 400mmx400mm would have a 0.47kn total force trying to open it.

Your pressurisation theory would then rely on counduit be sealed after cables were installed which defeats the purpose of undergroud counduits or trunking.

Your theory suggests pressurised air constantly pumped into the system and should any single man hole or access point be opened, the pressurisation would be compromised.

The majority of electrical cables in Aust are overhead and always will be. There are efficiency advantages, capacity advantages and cost advantages that will ensure this remains so.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Reigntax
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