Bill Clinton defends embattled family foundation

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, Dagnabbit said:

 

Only 5% of the Clinton slush fund went to charity.

Just enough to maintain the appearance of being charitable.


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What a load of crock, almost 90% goes to charity. One of the best there is.

[Dagnabbit]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

What a load of crock, almost 90% goes to charity. One of the best there is.

 

Not according to their IRS filings....

 

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2014/311/580/2014-311580204-0c3ee98d-9.pdf

 

5.7% for 2014. They spent more than that on travel and booked more than that for asset depreciation. It's all smoke and mirrors.

 

The 90% number comes from their claim that all expenditure is spent in the process of giving that 5.7% away. Like the $500,000 a year the CEO and Chairman get. 

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The Clinton Foundation’s three largest charitable “program service accomplishments,” according to its tax reports, are the Clinton Global Initiative ($23.2 million), the Clinton Presidential Library ($12.3 million), and the Clinton Climate Initiative ($8.3 million). The Clinton Global Initiative, which exists to organize and produce a lavish annual meeting headlined by former president Bill Clinton, was characterized by the New York Times as a “glitzy annual gathering of chief executives, heads of state, and celebrities,” hardly a portrait of the kind of charitable work that directly impacts the lives of the needy.

 

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

give us some believable sources instead of obscure 

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

What a load of crock, almost 90% goes to charity. One of the best there is.

kThere are 2 independent organizations that provide evaluations of charitable organization. The Clinton Foundation gets the highest marks from both.

[Dagnabbit]

give us some believable sources instead of obscure 
 
kThere are 2 independent organizations that provide evaluations of charitable organization. The Clinton Foundation gets the highest marks from both.

How is their actual IRS filing 'obscure'?

You mean it's a bit hard for you to read?


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[ttthailand]

Its totally understandable why the Clintons have been able to get away with so much. Too many normally Good people have lost the will to speak out or take action against injustice. They are bombarded from every angle if they do speak out. Even if the proof is overwhelming people will still wait for some corrupt justice system to tell them what to think instead of drawing their own conclusions based on the evidence. The truth use to matter but today people are sheep, too lazy, afraid or unwilling to do the right thing.

[AYJAYDEE]

1 minute ago, ttthailand said:

Its totally understandable why the Clintons have been able to get away with so much. Too many normally Good people have lost the will to speak out or take action against injustice. They are bombarded from every angle if they do speak out. Even if the proof is overwhelming people will still wait for some corrupt justice system to tell them what to think instead of drawing their own conclusions based on the evidence. The truth use to matter but today people are sheep, too lazy, afraid or unwilling to do the right thing.

 

and feel free to remind us when these so -called "good people" spoke out against the criminal  lies of kennedy, johnson, nixon, ford, carter , and reagan!!

[ttthailand]

When someone tells lies or will not answer questions it shows that they are hiding something. If you think other wise you are deceiving yourself.

[ttthailand]

and feel free to remind us when these so -called "good people" spoke out against the criminal  lies of kennedy, johnson, nixon, ford, carter , and reagan!!

You are correct... Throughout our history people who speak out about the lies our leaders speak are marginalized. The ruling class controls the major media and all government organizations. I am not a trump or clinton fan, I seek the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

[AYJAYDEE]

1 minute ago, ttthailand said:

You are correct... Throughout our history people who speak out about the lies our leaders speak are marginalized. The ruling class controls the major media and all government organizations. I am not a trump or clinton fan, I seek the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

 

then they didnt lose the will, they never had it.

[ttthailand]

then they didnt lose the will, they never had it.

The sixties and early seventies had people marching on Washington to protest the war and the treatment of blacks in America. So people have stood up to the ruling class and demanded change and truth.

[ttthailand]

When someone tells lies or will not answer questions it shows that they are hiding something. If you think other wise you are deceiving yourself.

The truth is what matters most, not party, not hillary or donald

[AYJAYDEE]

3 minutes ago, ttthailand said:

The sixties and early seventies had people marching on Washington to protest the war and the treatment of blacks in America. So people have stood up to the ruling class and demanded change and truth.

 

as people did with clinton,  bush and obama. just because the protestors arent the one you want to be outraged means nothing

 

[Thakkar]

Clinton, as part of her job as Sec. of State, meets with major financial institution. Financial institution, as part of PR, donate to various charities, including the Clinton Foundation.

BAM! Corruption!

 

Trump meets with woman. Woman accuses him of groping.

BAM! Eh, politically-motivated Frame job.

 

Huh?

 

*btw, the statement could also work the other way around in case Trump supporters want to use it.

 

You're welcome.

 

T

[ttthailand]

as people did with clinton,  bush and obama. just because the protestors arent the one you want to be outraged means nothing
 

Ayjaydee, the real question is do you believe clinton is telling the truth when she says "I don't recall" to 20 of 23 questions asked by congress ? Do you think she is hiding something ?

[thaihome]

3 hours ago, Dagnabbit said:

 

Only 5% of the Clinton slush fund went to charity.

Just enough to maintain the appearance of being charitable.


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You are quoting numbers proven incorrect many times.

TH

 

 

Failure to understand the difference led to the widespread claim (covered by the New York Post, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and others) that only a small portion of Clinton Foundation spending goes toward charity. While measuring charitable endeavors by the amount of grants awarded may be appropriate for many private foundations, it is not for an organization that acts as a direct service provider like the Clinton Foundation."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/25/reince-priebus/reince-priebus-false-claim-80-clinton-foundation-c/

[ttthailand]

Ayjaydee, the real question is do you believe clinton is telling the truth when she says "I don't recall" to 20 of 23 questions asked by congress ? Do you think she is hiding something ?

Answer the question or do you plead the 5th ?

[Chicog]

4 hours ago, Dagnabbit said:

Only 5% of the Clinton slush fund went to charity.

 

 

That's just nonsense; more of the ongoing smear campaign, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

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"The fact is, if they’ve got about 80 percent overhead and 20 percent of the money's actually getting into the place that it should, then it seems like the only work that the Clinton Foundation is doing is lining the pockets of Bill and Hillary Clinton," said GOP Chair Reince Priebus.

PolitiFact rated Priebus’ claim False. It is based on a misunderstanding of how the Clinton Foundation works. In reality, about 80 to 90 percent of the organization’s expenditures go toward charitable programs.

 

 

 

[thaihome]

14 minutes ago, ttthailand said:

Ayjaydee, the real question is do you believe clinton is telling the truth when she says "I don't recall" to 20 of 23 questions asked by congress ? Do you think she is hiding something ?

Would be most helpful if you would provide links showing when and the subject matter where Hillary testified as you claim in a congressional hearing.

TH 

[The Old Bull]

You can believe for sure that cash doled out by the Clinton foundation is spurred on by political expediency not need. 

[AYJAYDEE]

17 minutes ago, ttthailand said:

Ayjaydee, the real question is do you believe clinton is telling the truth when she says "I don't recall" to 20 of 23 questions asked by congress ? Do you think she is hiding something ?

 

 

 

of course she's hiding something! have you never been involved in an inquiry?? I dont recall is the standard answer that the lawyer advises you to use. that way you say nothing without a chance of being done for perjury. my god, what did reagan say when asked about selling guns and supplying contras?

 how naive can you be?

[ttthailand]

Answer the question or do you plead the 5th ?

I guess selective memory is what the clinton's both have.... The amount of lies, secretary and miss information is unbelievable with Both Clintons.
For the record, I don't support Clinton or Trump nor would I vote for either.

[ttthailand]

Would be most helpful if you would provide links showing when and the subject matter where Hillary testified as you claim in a congressional hearing.
TH 

This was 23 questions she had to answer in writing

[thaihome]

3 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

You can believe for sure that cash doled out by the Clinton foundation is spurred on by political expediency not need. 

 

Why can you be sure? Are you familiar with what the Clinton Foundation does? Or are you just engaging in your own personal version of confirmation bias.

TH 

• Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
• Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
• Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
• Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.
• http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

[ilostmypassword]

 

The Clinton Foundation has received the highest possible rating from the 2 independent ratings agencies for charities.

On the other hand, it turns out that the Trump foundation has been operating illegally for many years.

[thaihome]

2 minutes ago, ttthailand said:

This was 23 questions she had to answer in writing

 

That was not testimony to Congress. That was in a Freedom of Information lawsuit by judicial watch.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-answers-written-questions-in-email-lawsuit-229769

 

They were mostly pertaining to the setup of the email server some 7 years ago, so I think it is reasonable she doesn't recall specific discussions on it. The details of the  setup was likely something she was not much involved in. She just wanted it done so she could keep on using her blackberry. 

TH 

[Asiantravel]

9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

 

The Clinton Foundation has received the highest possible rating from the 2 independent ratings agencies for charities.

On the other hand, it turns out that the Trump foundation has been operating illegally for many years.

 

here is the transcript from Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace (you know the guy who did such a great moderating job last week) talking to Bob Woodward of Watergate fame

 

 

 

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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS SUNDAY: Then there are the allegations about the Clinton Foundation and pay to play, which I asked Secretary Clinton about in the debate, and she turned into an attack on the Trump Foundation.

 

But, Bob, I want to go back to the conversation I was having with Robby Mook before. When -- when you see what seems to be clear evidence that Clinton Foundation donors were being treated differently than non-donors in terms of access, when you see this new -- new revelations about the $12 million deal between Hillary Clinton, the foundation, and the king of Morocco, are voters right to be troubled by this?

 

 

BOB WOODWARD, THE WASHINGTON POST: I -- yes, it's a -- it’s corrupt. It's -- it’s a scandal. And she didn't answer your question at all. And she turned to embrace the good work that the Clinton Foundation has done. And she has a case there. But the mixing of speech fees, the Clinton Foundation, and actions by the State Department, which she ran, are all intertwined and it's corrupt. You know, I mean, you can't just say it's unsavory. But there's no formal investigation going on now, and there are outs that they have.

 

But the election isn't going to be decided on that. I mean Karl was making the point about this, I'm not going to observe the result of the election. I mean that's -- that’s absurd. I mean it has no consequence. If Trump loses, they're not going to let him in the White House. He’s not going to have a transition team. And -- and to focus on that, I think, is wrong. I think the issue is, what's going to be the aftermath of this campaign.

 

 

[ttthailand]

Would be most helpful if you would provide links showing when and the subject matter where Hillary testified as you claim in a congressional hearing.
TH 

[AYJAYDEE]

14 minutes ago, ttthailand said:

I guess selective memory is what the clinton's both have.... The amount of lies, secretary and miss information is unbelievable with Both Clintons.
For the record, I don't support Clinton or Trump nor would I vote for either.

 

secretary and miss information?? lol

 

[ttthailand]

secretary and miss information?? lol
 

Secrecy .... iPhone doing its own thing ....

[Thakkar]

I've said this before, but in my own esteemed opinion of my self* I think it is a good point worth repeating:

 

Clinton is a calculating, conniving, manipulative, hardass. Has been for decades. Still scot free after dozens of investigations by some of the most powerful, well-funded bodies in the world, including The US Senate, US Congress and The FBI. To hold her various offices, she has passed extensive background checks by The NSA, CIA, and The Secret Service. She managed to fool them all. 

 

Right Wing journals and MSM have been digging into her activities for decades and reported variously on their findings. These findings have been read by a virulently anti-Clinton Republican controlled Congress and a virulently anti-Clinton Republican controlled Senate and an FBI director who is a registered Republican. Yet, no charges, no convictions, no fines, no jail time, no electric chair. She is Houdini times ten.

 

And she just soldiers on.

 

In just one year of serious public scrutiny, Trump has been accused of corruption, civil rights violations (he paid a fine to settle), tax evasion and sexual misconduct.

He whines like a bitch and threatens to sue. Doesn't actually sue. Can't even have creepy locker room talk with buddies without being discovered and having to humiliatingly and publicly apologise on live TV. What a loser!

 

Who would you want as your leader?

 

*I want to be liked by Trump supporters and I understand they like self-aggrandising <deleted>. 

T