webfact Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Government calms down NE rubber farmers' rising concern BANGKOK: -- The government yesterday calmed down rising concern among rubber farmers in the Northeast that a leading car tyre manufacturer has halted its order for rubber for tyre production citing its substandard quality. Rubber farmers are concerned following rumors surfacing that two major car tyre manufacturers are refusing to buy rubber from the northeast of Thailand claiming rubber farmers in the Northeast use sulfuric acid in their production process which make the rubber quality substandard. Following such rumour, the Agriculture and Cooperative Minister has ordered the Rubber Authority of Thailand to look into the matter and educate rubber planters in the region to stop adding sulfuric acid to rubber as it severely degrades its quality. The minister, Gen Chatchai Sarikalaya, yesterday elaborated on rumors that two major tyre manufacturers are refusing to buy rubber from the northeast of Thailand and will put on hold their plans to construct automobile production facilities valued at more than 2 billion Baht in the northeastern part of the country as well. Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/government-calms-ne-rubber-farmers-rising-concern/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-09-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermik Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 The addition of sulfuric acid is not in order to boost the rubber farmers mark-up surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Another "cunning plan" gone wrong. But who will they blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 They have been telling those farmers for ages not to do this, but they still do it. They have only themselves to blame.. but I am sure they will blame the foreigners or the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bark Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Maybe it is naturally occurring in the trees The Thais will say it is the acid rains fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 hours ago, petermik said: The addition of sulfuric acid is not in order to boost the rubber farmers mark-up surely Makes it coagulate quicker. If they allowed it to coagulate normally (as they do in the South) - they could produce decent quality natural rubber and wouldn't have to fork out and buy the sulphuric acid. They have a habit up in the North (East) of carrying out inexplicable practices that defy common sense. Don't plant rice seed in the drought months - OK, I'll plant rice in the drought months!! Why have they all wilted? At least they are diversifying into planting other crops now - well they are generally, but not sure about in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatproblem Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I been telling them (whilst standing next to a bin )to put it in the bin but they still drop the rubbish on the floor .good luck trying to teach them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said: The big one will be when China follows suit and stops buying substandard Thai rubber as they are likely to do shortly. This will result in a total collapse of the rubber industry. The economy will be what pushes Thailand into further civil unrest, not these fantasies about a romantic political uprising or a paid movement from the Shin clan. I guess you answered my question. The Isaan rubber farmers will blame the junta for the supposed collapse of the rubber industry, rather than stop the actions that are causing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, whatproblem said: I been telling them (whilst standing next to a bin )to put it in the bin but they still drop the rubbish on the floor .good luck trying to teach them You miss the point - it saves them from having to empty the bin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatproblem Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, lucky11 said: You miss the point - it saves them from having to empty the bin!! I went to my mates house in khon kaen and his FIL emptied the bin on the floor because it was full ,took us 20 minutesto stop laughing Edited September 1, 2016 by whatproblem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetphet Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Sulphuric acid? That must be why the rubber tapper in that photo is wearing a mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, phetphet said: Sulphuric acid? That must be why the rubber tapper in that photo is wearing a mask. I think rubber gloves might be more appropriate as H2SO4 is not volatile but it sure does burn skin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Never seen sulphurich acid used, it is formic acid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Just now, maoro2013 said: Never seen sulphurich acid used, it is formic acid It has been extensively reported as being sulphuric acid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said: The big one will be when China follows suit and stops buying substandard Thai rubber as they are likely to do shortly. This will result in a total collapse of the rubber industry. The economy will be what pushes Thailand into further civil unrest, not these fantasies about a romantic political uprising or a paid movement from the Shin clan. Of course an collapsed economy is the only reason for people to rise. People don't care as much for ideals as long as the economy is not too bad but hurt them in their wallet then they rise. I 100% agree.. that is the only reason I see that people would rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, lucky11 said: It has been extensively reported as being sulphuric acid! All I have seen used is formic acid not to say some may use sulphuric. I use formic as do all other planters I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little mary sunshine Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Substandard products. Who wants junk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 So what does this mean ? That we are buying substandard tyres in Thailand ? Is it the cheap Thai manufactors like DeeStone and Maxxis , that are producing tyres with bad isaan rubber .... or going to be forced to buy it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 It doesn't matter,they will compensate the loss of customers by raising the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Blah ! And blah plus blurb . Results is Blubber! Look south ! This is about rubber yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirtless Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In the long term rubber will get cheaper, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 The rubber priced is likely to go up as will oil. I don't think too many posters here have had anything to do with rubber. I have launched an investigation into whether the southern farmers use formic acid or not, I believe they would. If the rubber is not coagulated then all latex would be lost of there was any rain. I also hear that the rubber quality is actually higher with the inclusion of formic acid, and that the rubber authority (office or whatever) encourages the use of this. I will report further, I have enquiries in progress. I am interested to know as I have 5,000 trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, maoro2013 said: The rubber priced is likely to go up as will oil. I don't think too many posters here have had anything to do with rubber. I have launched an investigation into whether the southern farmers use formic acid or not, I believe they would. If the rubber is not coagulated then all latex would be lost of there was any rain. I also hear that the rubber quality is actually higher with the inclusion of formic acid, and that the rubber authority (office or whatever) encourages the use of this. I will report further, I have enquiries in progress. I am interested to know as I have 5,000 trees. You believe they would.. not really evidence The rubber tire manufacturers probably know better then you about the quality of rubber if you add it.. so again.. i prefer to believe them over you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 19 hours ago, lucky11 said: Makes it coagulate quicker. If they allowed it to coagulate normally (as they do in the South) - they could produce decent quality natural rubber and wouldn't have to fork out and buy the sulphuric acid. They have a habit up in the North (East) of carrying out inexplicable practices that defy common sense. Don't plant rice seed in the drought months - OK, I'll plant rice in the drought months!! Why have they all wilted? At least they are diversifying into planting other crops now - well they are generally, but not sure about in the North. Corn, pineapples, bananas, sugar cane, flowers, vegetables of all types and many other fruits. Rice is still a main crop. There are many other crops but too many to list. So yes, diversification is alive and well in Isaan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said: Corn, pineapples, bananas, sugar cane, flowers, vegetables of all types and many other fruits. Rice is still a main crop. There are many other crops but too many to list. So yes, diversification is alive and well in Isaan. Good to hear - much more sensible than Thaksin's governments stupid rice scheme. I hope that they make a success of it and it provides a reasonable income for them - one thing it does do is to stop them from being a costly burden to society with their reliance on subsidies. It should also improve their self esteem in how people view them (rightly or wrongly) - I hope going organic plays a major part in this diversification transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 hour ago, robblok said: You believe they would.. not really evidence The rubber tire manufacturers probably know better then you about the quality of rubber if you add it.. so again.. i prefer to believe them over you. Hang on a minute, you were talking about sulphuric acid not formic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Rubber cheques? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 hour ago, maoro2013 said: The rubber priced is likely to go up as will oil. I don't think too many posters here have had anything to do with rubber. I have launched an investigation into whether the southern farmers use formic acid or not, I believe they would. If the rubber is not coagulated then all latex would be lost of there was any rain. I also hear that the rubber quality is actually higher with the inclusion of formic acid, and that the rubber authority (office or whatever) encourages the use of this. I will report further, I have enquiries in progress. I am interested to know as I have 5,000 trees. I've had 31 years working with rubber (researching synthetic rubber) which is not the same animal, granted. I'm sure that there are surfactants available (anionic or cationic) that would do the job of coagulation better without compromising the properties of the rubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, lucky11 said: Good to hear - much more sensible than Thaksin's governments stupid rice scheme. I hope that they make a success of it and it provides a reasonable income for them - one thing it does do is to stop them from being a costly burden to society with their reliance on subsidies. It should also improve their self esteem in how people view them (rightly or wrongly) - I hope going organic plays a major part in this diversification transition. Yes, you are quite right but you can still get into a robust discussion with some if that is brought up. But every day, I take my GS for a long walk along the road between the farms and see how well everything is growing, now that we have had heaps and heaps and I mean bloody heaps of rain. I still don't think that they're all into organic farming but a few are taking on the task. Education will take some time. As most of the farms and our village borders the Loei River, and where only 4 k's from town, there is plenty of water and everyone here appear to have planted at the right time. It is really good to see them working from early in the morning until late in the evening. They all look very happy and never stop saying hello to the farang and his dog, although they give the latter a wide berth. The only thing I find concerning, is that the farmers are older men and women, and there are no younger ones, despite knowing that many of the latter, not only in our in village but in the immediate surrounds, do not work, and according to their elders, do not want to. Edited September 2, 2016 by Si Thea01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 hour ago, maoro2013 said: Hang on a minute, you were talking about sulphuric acid not formic My mistake.. i thought the topic was sulfuric acid ? So I had that in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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