halloween Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 2 hours ago, MZurf said: No, they're not. They're trying to move away from a system where pesky outsiders can obtain real power. Simple as that. I have to agree, if by pesky outsiders you mean a fugitive criminal buying his way into office. He might be more reluctant to offer ridiculous electoral bribes if he is having to wear some of the loss incurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, heybruce said: So you don't deny it was a sham referendum. Regarding the honesty of the military, well: "While there are wide-ranging examples of Thai military units or individuals involved or complicit on organised crime, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that the government or the military see this connection as a serious problem or working actively to alleviate it. There is extensive evidence of the military's involvement in criminal networks associated with narcotics, prostitution, human trafficking, and illegal casinos. Military and paramilitary officers have been involved individually, at senior and lower ranking levels. Evidence suggests that security officials are illegally paid "protection" money to ensure that illegal mafia operations are allowed to continue. Tackling this issue is difficult given that those responsible for enforcing the law may also be implicated in illicit activities." http://government.defenceindex.org/downloads/docs/thailand.pdf 5 minutes ago, heybruce said: So you don't deny it was a sham referendum. Regarding the honesty of the military, well: "While there are wide-ranging examples of Thai military units or individuals involved or complicit on organised crime, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that the government or the military see this connection as a serious problem or working actively to alleviate it. There is extensive evidence of the military's involvement in criminal networks associated with narcotics, prostitution, human trafficking, and illegal casinos. Military and paramilitary officers have been involved individually, at senior and lower ranking levels. Evidence suggests that security officials are illegally paid "protection" money to ensure that illegal mafia operations are allowed to continue. Tackling this issue is difficult given that those responsible for enforcing the law may also be implicated in illicit activities." http://government.defenceindex.org/downloads/docs/thailand.pdf Sorry - non-government organisation so not official!! This is just their view and means nothing!! Holds as much authenticity as our posts. Edited October 1, 2016 by lucky11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, heybruce said: So you don't deny it was a sham referendum. Regarding the honesty of the military, well: "While there are wide-ranging examples of Thai military units or individuals involved or complicit on organised crime, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that the government or the military see this connection as a serious problem or working actively to alleviate it. There is extensive evidence of the military's involvement in criminal networks associated with narcotics, prostitution, human trafficking, and illegal casinos. Military and paramilitary officers have been involved individually, at senior and lower ranking levels. Evidence suggests that security officials are illegally paid "protection" money to ensure that illegal mafia operations are allowed to continue. Tackling this issue is difficult given that those responsible for enforcing the law may also be implicated in illicit activities." http://government.defenceindex.org/downloads/docs/thailand.pdf 5 minutes ago, lucky11 said: Sorry - non-government organisation so not official!! This is just their view and means nothing!! Holds as much authenticity as our posts. Seriously? Are you saying we should trust your opinion of the Thai military more than the work of Transparency International? That's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, heybruce said: Seriously? Are you saying we should trust your opinion of the Thai military more than the work of Transparency International? That's not going to happen. Err!! it just has, by me - I wouldn't trust their biased rubbish with a barge pole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 22 minutes ago, halloween said: Which one of those policies would have ended up costing THB600 billion? One of their policies was to continue subsidies on school fees and texts, scrapped because a Shinawatra government couldn't allow a good policy to continue without the Shin name attached. It was replaced with the tablet fiasco. (Don't mention that little disaster!) Ah, the insight of hindsight. Ahbisit 25% wage increase could have cost more and caused an exodus of companies to countries with cheaper labour costs. The tablet could have been important for the poor who can't afford to be better educated but alas the junta stopped it. You really got to provide link to such an outrageous comment about the school fees and texts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lawrence Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 8 hours ago, jamesbrock said: Stunning in its naivety and inaccuracy. So self assured, so wrong. If one actually wanted to be educated, they could search out and read an opinion piece published in The Japan Times yesterday - this would explain why the military staged the coup in 2014. The fact that you think Thai politics is about politics, that you think the junta (this and any before it) is anything more than a blunt tool put to crude use by factions of the feudal elite - and that you do so so proudly - is quite funny really. James have you overdosed on TV. You have really gone after the Smed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lawrence Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 48 minutes ago, halloween said: Which one of those policies would have ended up costing THB600 billion? One of their policies was to continue subsidies on school fees and texts, scrapped because a Shinawatra government couldn't allow a good policy to continue without the Shin name attached. It was replaced with the tablet fiasco. (Don't mention that little disaster!) What the Shins did was support the farming areas of Thailand, some of there policies were very popular such as Medical and hospital. So how mush does the Bangkok parties spend in Issan in improving the services and its infrastructure, less than 5% of GDP? where as Bangkok has traditionally got over 60% spent on it. These are the real discrepancies in a society that works for the greater good of the greater rich. Your axe is not as sharp as you think, hally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman2543 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 2 hours ago, lucky11 said: I think it looks great - nice artwork and good colour contrasts!! What has the 'order of the garter' got to do with anything? Do you know what irony is? P.S. I know the French original but choose to use the English translation because of forum rules (English is the only acceptable language here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I have to agree, if by pesky outsiders you mean a fugitive criminal buying his way into office. He might be more reluctant to offer ridiculous electoral bribes if he is having to wear some of the loss incurred.By outsiders I mean everyone who is not part of the clique currently in power. I would have thought that was obvious but apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 16 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said: It should be quite clear to the Thai electorate that they can elect whomever they want, if and when elections are returned, but the military will always have the last word. They've got the taste and won't be giving up power I have to agree with you there. Thailand has moved from being a democratic state albeit with all its faults to being an authoritarian one. Authoritarian regimes are primarily interested in retaining political power. They're not dictatorial and provided nobody opposes them, the population has a certain amount of freedom. However criticism of the NCPO won't be tolerated and talk of democratic elections in the not too distant future is merely a pipedream. By changing the constitution and introducing new rules which make it practically impossible for any one single party to gain an overall majority will mean the military will play a significant role in Thai politics for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) in any election at this level, the incumbent gov't acts as Caretakers, until the new Gov't takes over.... but in this case, it won't be Caretaker - it will be Squatters - who won't leave the house when prodded with the pointed stick Edited October 1, 2016 by tifino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 18 hours ago, smedly said: How dumb is that - do you honestly believe Thailand has ever had an election that wasn't a charade - seriously and if you want to be educated as to how it developes from there then read my post above consider yourself educated oh get off your high horse. to anybody that has spent any time in thailand and done any reading, it is all very obvious what goes on there. We just can't say too much about it directly on this site or it gets censored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 11 hours ago, tbthailand said: Yep, ... What a great read from a reputable source! Highly recommended to anyone with a passing interest in Thai politics. Pity the rusted-on junta-huggers like smed and lucky won't bother reading it, or, if they do, will dismiss it because it doesn't fit their warped view of reality, or it ignores the shincrims. Probably something like 'a peer-reviewed study by an international expert is non-government organisation so means nothing'. 10 hours ago, Chris Lawrence said: James have you overdosed on TV. You have really gone after the Smed. Deservedly so IMO. That sort of "high horse" attitude (as gk10002000 put it ^) really irks me when the person is right - but when the person is so demonstrably wrong I get particularly irked. 6 hours ago, MZurf said: And here I thought trolling was not allowed. Believe his honesty??? 555555! Ironic how lucky considers that an internationally recognised report written by experts "means nothing" because it is "non-government organisation so not official!!" but spends all evening sprouting all kinds of non-governmental conspiracy drivel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On October 1, 2016 at 6:42 AM, smedly said: so there is actually going to be an effective body that holds any elected government to account That will be a first in Thailand and IMO is very welcome nothing like being forced to actually do what you are elected to do Might I add - I will be the first to call foul with a huge red card if they do anything that interferes with what most reasonable people would regard as normal government affairs lets see if an elected government can do what it is supposed to do for the first time in Thai history oh yes, some people will be pissed off because their revenue stream is being cut off......I see nothing at all wrong with that I will heed the warning you have at the bottom of your post. " Never argue with a fool, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience " . Lets just wait and see about the outcome of this issue, I must say though I will be delighted when the PM jails all of those corrupt politicians, general's, police, family, and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 15 hours ago, hanuman2543 said: Do you know what irony is? P.S. I know the French original but choose to use the English translation because of forum rules (English is the only acceptable language here) I wouldn't be here if it wasn't , I have a hard enough time with english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On October 1, 2016 at 8:41 AM, smedly said: correct, but others here make stuff up out of pure ignorance and stupidity - all future elected governments for at least the next 20 years will be held accountable - past constitutions tried to do that - agencies tried to do that - but elected governments tried to dismantle any law- constitution article or agency that stepped in their way, now that is not going to happen because there is an agency that cannot be dismantled that is going to make sure that all future elected governments abide by the law and work in the interests of the people and the country............now you can say all you want about this agency and how it will be run but the bottom line is - if they achieve their goal then what a game changer we are looking at in Thailand right now and going forward - future governments will actually be doing the job they are supposed to be doing And we'll all be drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 This PM has a chance to win the people over by strongly looking into the double British homicide on the island I forget, The Red Bull grandson who ran over the cop and left him for dead, The Hi-So lady that killed the students, The Hi- SO man that killed the students driving 200 kilos per hour plus. If he can't do that he obviously will never do justice for the common people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 20 hours ago, tbthailand said: of course not... The only reason to pretend is for the international community. And when it comes to trade they will probably buy into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 You know how to "dissolve" snails. Just pour salt on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khon Kaen Dave Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 What is it they say? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khon Kaen Dave Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Whats the other one. and lo,i beheld a pale horse,and the rider upon it was death,and all hell followed after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 A number of way off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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