Two major parties ‘unlikely to join forces to block non-elected PM’

[webfact]

Two major parties ‘unlikely to join forces to block non-elected PM’

THE SUNDAY NATION

 

IT is unlikely the Democrat and Pheu Thai parties will join forces to form a coalition to prevent an “outsider” prime minister, an analyst said yesterday.

 

Thailand's two major parties hold distinctly different ideologies, making cooperation improbable, former constitution writer Komsan Phokong said at a symposium held at Rangsit University. 

He said if the Democrat Party opted for such an alternative, it could risk losing some supporters who disliked former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra. As a result, the party could find itself in trouble during an election, the analyst said.

 

Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Two-major-parties-unlikely-to-join-forces-to-block-30296690.html

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2016-10-03

[Alive]

The mis-named Democrat party of Thailand supported this coup and pretty much always have in Thai history. They empowered the generals in this regime. I want to use harsher words but I cannot use them here due to restrictions on free speech. In Thailand today, as you can see the sword is mightier than the pen.

[tbthailand]

And even in the unlikely event that they had a grand coalition, the NCPO would wield Art 44 and dissolve parliament.... Problem solved... 

[Chris Lawrence]

Ah Article 44, whatever is done can be undone.

[Eligius]

It doesn't matter in the slightest if even 50 or 100 political parties 'joined together' to oppose The System: The System would just sneer in their face and do what it is empowered to do anyway. As another astute poster commented, the sword here is mightier than the pen.

 

It's therefore time that we all faced up to the harsh and horrendous fact that Democracy is dead, buried and burnt, and not even the smoke from its fire is any longer visible.

[NongKhaiKid]

2 minutes ago, Eligius said:

It doesn't matter in the slightest if even 50 or 100 political parties 'joined together' to oppose The System: The System would just sneer in their face and do what it is empowered to do anyway. As another astute poster commented, the sword here is mightier than the pen.

 

It's therefore time that we all faced up to the harsh and horrendous fact that Democracy is dead, buried and burnt, and not even the smoke from its fire is any longer visible.

It must be difficult to form any sort of coalition as everyone wants to be the top dog.

Yes there have been govt coalitions in the past but the smaller parties joined only to get whatever crumbs they could pick up otherwise they wouldn't feature anywhere.

[Eligius]

1 minute ago, NongKhaiKid said:

It must be difficult to form any sort of coalition as everyone wants to be the top dog.

Yes there have been govt coalitions in the past but the smaller parties joined only to get whatever crumbs they could pick up otherwise they wouldn't feature anywhere.

Yes, it's difficult, if not impossible, to have any kind of noble, altruistic politics when everything is always about Me, Me, Me First!

[HoboKay]

Democracy here?

 

The populace isn't granted the ability to make an informed choice and for most aren't even vaguely aware of the situation at large to be even interested.

 

 

[PatOngo]

Since political gatherings of 5 or more are deamed illegal, I can understand it is difficult to reach any concensus. Or maybe Juttapon and Suthep can sit down together and work it out between themselves! 

[mtls2005]

Two major parties ‘unlikely to join forces to block non-elected PM’

 

Mission accomplished.

[greenchair]

Future pm possibilities. 

"Hot favourites"

Prayuth

Prayuth brother

Suthep 

"if we must"

smallest weakest party candidate we can find. 

most plyable thai we can find. 

"oh god no "

pt and Democrats share the glory.

"disolve parliament and repeat for understanding " ☺☺☺

 

[williamgeorgeallen]

4 hours ago, Alive said:

The mis-named Democrat party of Thailand supported this coup and pretty much always have in Thai history. They empowered the generals in this regime. I want to use harsher words but I cannot use them here due to restrictions on free speech. In Thailand today, as you can see the sword is mightier than the pen.

democratic party needs to change its name. one of the worst contradictions i have seen in thailand, and i have seen many.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Really rough times ahead for Thailand politically and economically.

 

Possibly.

 

But a openly corrupt government owned by a crook whose shit scared to come back looting billions whilst planning getting their hands on 2.2 trillion - hardly a good prospect for the economy. Scamming only works while the troughs full.

 

Wonder if criminals will still be able to own political parties?

Edited October 3, 2016 by Baerboxer

[JAG]

5 hours ago, HoboKay said:

Democracy here?

 

The populace isn't granted the ability to make an informed choice and for most aren't even vaguely aware of the situation at large to be even interested.

 

 

You're certainly right that they don't have the facilities to make a choice - informed or otherwise. I don't agree that most aren't even vaguely aware of the situation. The last three elections have all resulted in  victories for what has effectively been the same popular movement. The blocking of elections as part of both the most recent coups rather points to the supposition that the "establishment" were aware that that movement was on course for a win. I've argued before that one shouldn't take acquiescence as approval or acceptance. The populace is fully aware of what the "establishment" and their military supporters are prepared to do to retain power, and are therefore acquiescent. That doesn't mean that they accept it. 

 

Democracy certainly existed here. I wasn't a particularly well developed democracy, it had many failings, but it existed. Three times the people selected the government they wanted -basically an exercise in democracy. It was a result unpalatable to many in the "establishment" so three times they engineered it's overthrow. Perhaps that could be taken as recognition that a democratic choice existed, and the populace took advantage of it. 

 

 

 

[elgordo38]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

IT is unlikely the Democrat and Pheu Thai parties will join forces to form a coalition to prevent an “outsider” prime minister, an analyst said yesterday.

 

Thailand's two major parties hold distinctly different ideologies, making cooperation improbable, former constitution writer Komsan Phokong said at a symposium held at Rangsit University. 

There you go folks words words from another "expert" Its amazing what people will do when facing a common enemy. Look at what happened in Burma. The military thought they had it in the bag. Military thinking goes by strength of numbers not strategy. Churchill and other strategic thinkers are long gone replace by the likes of Kim Long Dong of North Korea. As much as the world chastises him they envy him and his choke hold he has over the citizens of North Korea. Politicians like wrestlers want us in a choke hold on the mat tapping out. 

[halloween]

3 hours ago, williamgeorgeallen said:

democratic party needs to change its name. one of the worst contradictions i have seen in thailand, and i have seen many.

Dear me, and that is in stark comparison to a party where MPs are paid to be members and vote to order of a criminal family. You can't get much more democratic than that, can you?

And that's not considering UDD - no contradiction there!

[halloween]

28 minutes ago, JAG said:

You're certainly right that they don't have the facilities to make a choice - informed or otherwise. I don't agree that most aren't even vaguely aware of the situation. The last three elections have all resulted in  victories for what has effectively been the same popular movement. The blocking of elections as part of both the most recent coups rather points to the supposition that the "establishment" were aware that that movement was on course for a win. I've argued before that one shouldn't take acquiescence as approval or acceptance. The populace is fully aware of what the "establishment" and their military supporters are prepared to do to retain power, and are therefore acquiescent. That doesn't mean that they accept it. 

 

Democracy certainly existed here. I wasn't a particularly well developed democracy, it had many failings, but it existed. Three times the people selected the government they wanted -basically an exercise in democracy. It was a result unpalatable to many in the "establishment" so three times they engineered it's overthrow. Perhaps that could be taken as recognition that a democratic choice existed, and the populace took advantage of it. 

 

 

 

The most popular movement - that would be the one offering the best electoral bribes, right? No problem that they are merely expensive boondoggles with little economic benefit or little chance of fulfilling their promises.

the party offering 300 holidays a year and a ten-fold pay increase is sure to get elected. Oh wait, how do they steal anything from that? Better offer a rice scam as well.

[halloween]

If PTP puts forward a Shinawatra family member, or a corrupt crony like Chalerm, do you think that would be acceptable to the Democrats? Who else are they likely to propose? Jatuporn, assuming he still hasn't been jailed?

[HoboKay]

48 minutes ago, JAG said:

You're certainly right that they don't have the facilities to make a choice - informed or otherwise. I don't agree that most aren't even vaguely aware of the situation. The last three elections have all resulted in  victories for what has effectively been the same popular movement. The blocking of elections as part of both the most recent coups rather points to the supposition that the "establishment" were aware that that movement was on course for a win. I've argued before that one shouldn't take acquiescence as approval or acceptance. The populace is fully aware of what the "establishment" and their military supporters are prepared to do to retain power, and are therefore acquiescent. That doesn't mean that they accept it. 

 

Democracy certainly existed here. I wasn't a particularly well developed democracy, it had many failings, but it existed. Three times the people selected the government they wanted -basically an exercise in democracy. It was a result unpalatable to many in the "establishment" so three times they engineered it's overthrow. Perhaps that could be taken as recognition that a democratic choice existed, and the populace took advantage of it. 

 

Might that be the ever archaic dogma, kreng jai, impeding progress?

Edited October 3, 2016 by HoboKay

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, halloween said:

If PTP puts forward a Shinawatra family member, or a corrupt crony like Chalerm, do you think that would be acceptable to the Democrats? Who else are they likely to propose? Jatuporn, assuming he still hasn't been jailed?

 

Why not acceptable between 2 corrupt parties provided 'sold-out' Ahbisit no longer party leader. Suthep as replacement assuming he don't enter monkhood again to save his skin or better, in jail for all his crimes. Have to find hard for a Dem Party leader who is truly a democract.

[billd766]

10 minutes ago, halloween said:

If PTP puts forward a Shinawatra family member, or a corrupt crony like Chalerm, do you think that would be acceptable to the Democrats? Who else are they likely to propose? Jatuporn, assuming he still hasn't been jailed?

 

OTOH should the Democrats put forward Abhisit, (or anybodies God forbid), Suthep do you think that anyone in the Shinawatra clan would accept that?

 

After some 20 years in Thailand I cannot think of ANY person, politician or not who would be acceptable to both sides. I think the nearest would be Korn from the Democrats and he is a doubtful prospect anyway.

[baboon]

56 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Possibly.

 

But a openly corrupt government owned by a crook whose shit scared to come back looting billions whilst planning getting their hands on 2.2 trillion - hardly a good prospect for the economy. Scamming only works while the troughs full.

 

Wonder if criminals will still be able to own political parties?

They'll probably send their offspring to military school. 

[halloween]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Why not acceptable between 2 corrupt parties provided 'sold-out' Ahbisit no longer party leader. Suthep as replacement assuming he don't enter monkhood again to save his skin or better, in jail for all his crimes. Have to find hard for a Dem Party leader who is truly a democract.

If I understood your mangled English, you are suggesting that the 2 major parties can't find a compromise PM while Abhisit leads the Democrats??? Why?

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, halloween said:

If I understood your mangled English, you are suggesting that the 2 major parties can't find a compromise PM while Abhisit leads the Democrats??? Why?

No PT leaders will work with Ahbisit as it will seen as a betrayal to their followers who have family members, relatives and friends die in the military massacre. 

 

 

[williamgeorgeallen]

2 hours ago, halloween said:

Dear me, and that is in stark comparison to a party where MPs are paid to be members and vote to order of a criminal family. You can't get much more democratic than that, can you?

And that's not considering UDD - no contradiction there!

can you appreciate the irony of a political party called the democrats supporting a coup?

[halloween]

1 minute ago, williamgeorgeallen said:

can you appreciate the irony of a political party called the democrats supporting a coup?

About as ironic as a criminal conspiracy calling itself a legitimate government.

[williamgeorgeallen]

1 minute ago, halloween said:

About as ironic as a criminal conspiracy calling itself a legitimate government.

think that is more moronic.

[halloween]

Just now, williamgeorgeallen said:

think that is more moronic.

Supporting thieves robbing your friends and family certainly is.

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

About as ironic as a criminal conspiracy calling itself a legitimate government.

 

Stop referring to this present government. 

[williamgeorgeallen]

4 minutes ago, halloween said:

Supporting thieves robbing your friends and family certainly is.

lost me on that one. who is supporting who?