Clinton could put away Trump by carrying North Carolina

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Clinton could put away Trump by carrying North Carolina

By THOMAS BEAUMONT

 

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Republican Donald Trump can do little to stop Democrat Hillary Clinton from winning the presidency if she carries North Carolina, where their close race reflects the national liabilities of both candidates.

 

Trump is struggling with conservative Democrats, especially women in the big and booming suburbs of Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham, who've long been part of the GOP's winning formula in North Carolina.

 

Clinton has her own worries: Younger voters who helped Barack Obama win the state in 2008 and come close in 2012 are far more hesitant to back her.

 

In a scenario playing out across the most contested states, Clinton's pursuit of new supporters is aided by a huge, data-driven ground force in North Carolina, while Trump is sticking with his come-what-may plan.

 

"Both candidates have problems here," said Paul Shumaker, an adviser to U.S. Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., who is seeking re-election. "But I think the Clinton people are more attuned about fixing their problems than Trump's are."

 

Clinton, in a visit Sunday to Charlotte, addressed congregants at a black church less than two weeks after the police-involved shooting death of a black man. The shooting led to two nights of violent protests and a debate over race relations.

 

"We've got to take action. We've got to start now, not tomorrow. Not next year, now," Clinton said.

 

Polls suggest North Carolina, Ohio and Florida are among the most competitive states expected to decide the final steps on the path to the 270 electoral votes required to win the White House.

 

In all but one of the past nine presidential elections, the Republican nominee has taken North Carolina. Clinton's apparent strength in once reliably Republican Virginia and swing state Colorado may mean a perilously narrow route to an electoral majority for Trump.

 

If Clinton captures North Carolina, Trump would have to carry perennially tight Ohio and Florida, plus Democrat-leaning Pennsylvania, and sweep less populous close states that appear increasingly out of reach.

 

Shumaker says GOP support for Trump is lower than usual in North Carolina, as estimated in private GOP and public polling. 2012 nominee Mitt Romney received more than 90 percent of the GOP vote in North Carolina, according to exit polls; Trump appears markedly short of that.

 

Trump promised to win over conservative Democrats, who are common in Cary, a suburb of roomy brick homes and newer retail developments west of Raleigh.

 

Such a voter is Sunday Petrov, who is grudgingly backing Clinton. "It's more like I'm voting against Trump," she said. "What bothers me most is his disrespect for Hispanics, for Muslims, his unprofessional demeanor."

 

Trump has little outreach aimed at specific voter groups in North Carolina; Clinton does. She needs it with younger people, with whom her polling margins pale next to Obama's in 2008 and 2012.

 

After last Monday's debate with Trump, she pleaded her case during a rally at Wake Tech Community College. The election, she said, "is more about the future of young people and children than it's ever been," and she talked about her plan for government-subsidized, tuition-free college. Later in the week, Clinton's daughter, Chelsea, visited Asheville and Greenville, stopping at Eastern Carolina University to focus on college debt.

 

"North Carolina feels like Virginia in 2012," said Dan Kanninen, the Clinton campaign's top adviser in the state.

 

Obama won Virginia in 2008 and 2012, after 10 consecutive GOP victories there, by attracting younger, ethnically diverse and more educated adults, especially those flowing into northern Virginia's tech and defense sectors.

 

Clinton is putting that same strategy to work in North Carolina. Universities, high-tech companies such as Cisco Systems and the financial sector, including Fidelity Investments, have attracted thousands of young professionals to the Raleigh area alone since 2012.

 

In the past four years, North Carolina has added roughly 300,000 voters, mostly in metropolitan areas that account for half of the state's vote. They are predominantly college-educated, which is good news for Clinton in a close race.

 

"Trump's biggest problem is college-educated whites," said Republican strategist Michael Luethy, who charts legislative races. "If he solves his problem there, he wins. Easier said than done."

 

Perhaps the biggest unknown heading into the Nov. 8 election is whether African-Americans will turn out for Clinton at near the historic levels they twice did for Obama, the first black president.

 

Clinton dominates Trump among African-Americans, who make up 22 percent of North Carolina's voters, the biggest share of any of battleground state. Trump has done little to turn around long-standing support for Democrats by black voters.

 

Clinton has organizers on or near campuses of the state's 12 historically black colleges and universities.

 

Moreover, early-voting restrictions enacted in 2013 by North Carolina's Republican-controlled Legislature and GOP Gov. Pat McCrory were overturned after being ruled discriminatory toward black voters.

 

McCrory is up for re-election in November and trails Democrat Roy Cooper in a rare case where a down-ballot race could generate turnout for the presidential campaign.

 

"I think Democratic intensity on that issue — the attempt at voter suppression — is going to keep African-American turnout at the levels we've had lately," said Ken Eudy, a Democratic campaign strategist.

 

Shumaker, the GOP senator's aide, said that may be enough to lift Clinton in a close race.

 

"It's going to come down to the wire," he said. "And we're a 2-point state."

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Associated Press writer Ken Thomas in Charlotte, North Carolina, contributed to this report.

 

-- © Associated Press 2016-10-03

[Silurian]

Even before the presidential debate Hillary was ahead by about 1 point in North Carolina. It will be interesting to see the new NC polls after the debate, after the Miss Universe outburst and after the $900 million tax loss story.

[Ulysses G.]

She NEVER would have won North Carolina when I was a kid, but lots of liberal carpetbaggers have moved in since then.

[i claudius]

I fear America is about to get another shit president , once the sitting shit one leaves, whoever they vote for

[Ulysses G.]

27 minutes ago, i claudius said:

I fear America is about to get another shit president , once the sitting shit one leaves, whoever they vote for

 

We agree on that. We are screwed either way.

[mike324]

19 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

We agree on that. We are screwed either way.

 

So other than the two shits running, just wondering who do you think is most qualified to be president? name anyone? could be CEOs, etc 

[Ulysses G.]

27 minutes ago, mike324 said:

 

So other than the two shits running, just wondering who do you think is most qualified to be president? name anyone? could be CEOs, etc 

 

I really wanted Condi Rice to run. It would be great if the first woman president was someone of integrity.

 

Also,  Jim Webb might have been a good choice for a Democrat.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[mike324]

9 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

I really wanted Condi Rice to run. It would be great if the first woman president was someone of integrity.

 

I don't really follow US politics much, wonder what happen to her? I remember she was a star back then

[Ulysses G.]

4 minutes ago, mike324 said:

 

I don't really follow US politics much, wonder what happen to her? I remember she was a star back then

 

She really does not seem to want to run. I can not say thaI blame her. The whole process is so ugly now.

[i claudius]

Don't know much about the American system ,but I think Mickey Mouse could do as good a job as some of the others

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[Scott]

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[dunroaming]

7 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

I really wanted Condi Rice to run. It would be great if the first woman president was someone of integrity

 

And she is black!  That would be a double whammy!

[Jingthing]

8 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

She NEVER would have won North Carolina when I was a kid, but lots of liberal carpetbaggers have moved in since then.

As if that's a bad thing dude.

The same thing will eventually happen in Georgia and Texas.

Goodbye republican presidents ... forever? 

[dunroaming]

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As if that's a bad thing dude.

The same thing will eventually happen in Georgia and Texas.

Goodbye republican presidents ... forever? 

 

Not sure if that is true.  It does seem to be all about the candidate.  If the republicans can find someone maverick enough to change their long outdated views who actually has some charisma and the democrats continue with more of the same then I think all bets are off.  However I do concede that it looks a very long way off at the moment.

[MZurf]

10 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

She NEVER would have won North Carolina when I was a kid, but lots of liberal carpetbaggers have moved in since then.

I believe it's called progress.

[KBsinter]

19 hours ago, MZurf said:

I believe it's called progress.

Not so it"s called age//////////////////////

[Publicus]

On 10/3/2016 at 11:36 AM, Ulysses G. said:

 

I really wanted Condi Rice to run. It would be great if the first woman president was someone of integrity.

 

<<snip>>

 

Condoleezza "Mushroom Cloud" Rice with her Iraq lies for Bush-Cheney and Powell in all of their Words of Mass Deception. 

 

Clinton is an angel next to the war criminal Condoleezza "Sticky" Rice. Rice doesn't dare run. For one thing, Rice doesn't have the balls for it and to stick with it as HRC does in fact have. 

 

Here btw are the North Carolina polls [15 Electoral College Votes] released Monday....

 

North Carolina: Clinton 46%, Trump 43%, Johnson 7% (Quinnipiac)  +3   Clinton  

 

North Carolina: Clinton 43%, Trump 42%, Johnson 5% (Bloomberg)  +1 Clinton    

 

 

Rice running for Potus would get fried. These numbers would be far more one sided for HRC is sticky were the Republican nominee instead of The Ignoramous. Sticky is but more of the same lies, war, shoot first and ask questions later. Lies, lies, lies. 

 

So have some Rice with your Whopper. It comes as a part of the sour serving.

[nottocus]

23 hours ago, dunroaming said:

 

And she is black!  That would be a double whammy!

Just need her to be a lesbian and u got a triple whammy

[thaihome]

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Condoleezza "Mushroom Cloud" Rice with her Iraq lies for Bush-Cheney and Powell in all of their Words of Mass Deception. 

 

Clinton is an angel next to the war criminal Condoleezza "Sticky" Rice. Rice doesn't dare run. For one thing, Rice doesn't have the balls for it and to stick with it as HRC does in fact have. 

 

Here btw are the North Carolina polls [15 Electoral College Votes] released Monday....

 

North Carolina: Clinton 46%, Trump 43%, Johnson 7% (Quinnipiac)  +3   Clinton  

 

North Carolina: Clinton 43%, Trump 42%, Johnson 5% (Bloomberg)  +1 Clinton    

 

 

Rice running for Potus would get fried. These numbers would be far more one sided for HRC is sticky were the Republican nominee instead of The Ignoramous. Sticky is but more of the same lies, war, shoot first and ask questions later. Lies, lies, lies. 

 

So have some Rice with your Whopper. It comes as a part of the sour serving.

Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice both withdrew from political life as part of the unwritten, unspoken deal that no Congressional hearings would take place on the invasion of Iraq. Both knew that there was no way the would ever be able to win an election if they were forced to testify on their roles in that fiasco. They took the honorable path to just withdraw and never speak out on politics again.

 

Personally,  I don't agree with the "deal" and hope that a democratic congress,  sometime in future, will hold hearings with the same vigor the Republicans did with Benghazi.  Maybe some will actually go to the prison they deserve. 

TH

[boomerangutang]

HRC doesn't need to win NC, though she probably will.  There are many scenarios where she wins.  It's Trump who needs to win a bunch of 'battleground' states in order to have a chance, and it's more likely Belize will land a man on the moon. 

[Jingthing]

what's really odd is that Hill will likely lose Ohio but still win the presidency.

[Publicus]

 

NC will give us a clear view of the election outcome when the polls close there Tuesday, November 8th at 8 pm in the Eastern Time Zone. It is the first time zone to report results.

 

ETZ is the single most populous time zone of the four times zones on the continental USA. The 17 states in the ETZ have by far the most electoral college votes of any time zone. In this election, it happens to have each of the five contested 'battleground' or 'swing' states that are in play this time around.

 

Ohio is in the ETZ as is Pennsylvania. Polls in each state will also close at 8 pm as will Virginia and Florida, all of which (to include NC) are in the Eastern Time Zone. Five of the really big ones plus a sixth biggie, New York State which is already a wrap for HRC.

 

(The two biggies of the biggies, CA and TX are later, TX being (officially) in the (Rocky) Mountain Time Zone and CA is in the Pacific Coast Time Zone -- ETZ +2 and ETZ +3 respectively.)

 

HRC wins PA, VA, NC, FL and the election is decided then and there. The states in the remaining three time zones are already decided, so when the vote is announced by the 17 states in the ETZ, it will be over. Get to bed early...NOT!

 

HRC needs only to win VA and PA to win the election comfortably. She's well ahead in each.

 

Trump needs to win every one of 'em, all five states: OH, PA, VA, NC, FL. Rotsa ruck to him on that. (HRC looks consistently good in four of 'em, excepting OH where Gov. John Kasich runs the Republican party and is delivering it to Trump.)

 

With the Clinton field operation on the ground in those states to get out the vote, HRC has the advantage in NC over Trump and his eager beaver lunar orbit voters. 

 

Get used to it gents, President Hillary Clinton, commander in chief. 

Edited October 4, 2016 by Publicus
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[mania]

On 10/2/2016 at 4:34 PM, i claudius said:

I fear America is about to get another shit president , once the sitting shit one leaves, whoever they vote for

 

Having Clinton for president is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi auto handgun.... suicide assured

 

Trump is a revolver .....at least you can spin the cylinder & take your chances

 

 

[Publicus]

On 10/4/2016 at 8:42 PM, Jingthing said:

what's really odd is that Hill will likely lose Ohio but still win the presidency.

 

Good news comrade...

 

Republican Nightmares Come True As Hillary Clinton Takes A 2 Point Lead In Ohio

 Wed, Oct 5th, 2016

With each new poll, the worst nightmare of the Republican Party is coming to closer to reality, as the latest poll of Ohio shows Hillary Clinton holding a two-point lead over Donald Trump.

Among Ohio voters likely to cast ballots in November’s presidential election, 44% currently support Clinton and 42% back Trump.

 

Also....

 

A new Fairleigh Dickinson Public Mind poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by nine points nationally, 45% to 36%, with Gary Johnson at 11%.

 

Said pollster Krista Jenkins: “The post-presidential debate landscape is clearly favoring Clinton. Trump’s continued weight shaming of a former Miss Universe and the weekend disclosure of his 1995 tax returns are but a sample of difficult news coverage for the Republican candidate.”

 

Trump continues to chase after the ball. HRC throws the ball and Trump like the pooch in anyone's yard has his eyes light up and he runs like hell to chomp over the ball and run back with it. It happened for instance at the Democratic National Convention when the Clinton campaign put the Muslim lawyer Khan up there to taunt Trump. It happened at the end of the first debate when HRC put forward the former 'fat' Miss Universe who is a Hispanic American.

 

The beat goes on and the pooch runs after the ball every time the HRC campaign throws it. Brings it right back to 'em. The ball-pooch game just keeps on working and it just keeps on giving to we progressives as November 8th closes in fast.

 

 

Moreover, the good news just keeps on comin....

 

A new CBS News/New York Times poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump in the presidential race, 45% to 41%, with Gary Johnson at 8%

.

A new NBC News-Survey Monkey poll finds Clinton leading by six points, 46% to 40%, with Johnson at 9%.

 

...sandwiches anyone.....