Yingluck appeals again for justice in rice compensation demand

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Yingluck appeals for justice in rice compensation demand

 

 

BANGKOK: -- Former prime minister Ms Yingluck Shinawatra appealed again for justice from the military junta over the imposition of a huge 35 billion baht compensation on her for the damages which her rice-pledging scheme has inflicted on the state.

 

She repeated her call for justice as she arrived at the Supreme Court this morning to attend the fourth hearing of the trial which she was indicted by the National Anti-Corruption Commission of dereliction of duties over the implementation of her rice scheme.

 

She was welcomed on arrival at the court by leading members of the Pheu Thai party, and supporters with flowers.

 

Before the trial began at 9.30 am, she repeated her call for sympathy over the military junta exercising power under Section 44 of the interim constitution to issue an administrative order to rush her alleged corruption cases and impose her with hefty fines for the rice scheme.

 

She said the prime minister should follow the Supreme Court which set a norm for persons who perform duties at policy level, citing the case of the former central governor who was cleared of the compensation payment.

 

She said she should be given the same practice by allowing her case to go to the Civil Court.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/yingluck-appeals-justice-rice-compensation-demand/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-10-07

[z42]

By justice, she must mean a way in which she doesn't have to pay anything, all her assets remain out of reach, and some less connected lackeys take the fall instead.

Her incompetence, arrogance, and insistence on playing the victim are staggering in light of what is now known about "the scheme".

 

[GarryP]

Maybe should could hit up big brother for a loan. It was his plan after all. Manipulating the global rice market hahahaha!!!!!!!! 

[Cuchulainn]

Oh, you'll get your justice alright.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, z42 said:

By justice, she must mean a way in which she doesn't have to pay anything, all her assets remain out of reach, and some less connected lackeys take the fall instead.

Her incompetence, arrogance, and insistence on playing the victim are staggering in light of what is now known about "the scheme".

 

 

Indeed. By justice she seems to mean sweep it all under the carpet and forget about it.

 

So far she has offered absolutely no defense, explanation or comments to the actual charges. Nor has she or her minions released their accounts of the scheme to help show she wasn't negligent.

 

Come on Yingluck, we all know you can act the victim and cry on queue. Tell us how you can be in charge of something, appoint yourself to chair the meeting to make sure all is going well and then never attend any meetings - and not be negligent.

 

 

[yellowboat]

4 hours ago, z42 said:

By justice, she must mean a way in which she doesn't have to pay anything, all her assets remain out of reach, and some less connected lackeys take the fall instead.

Her incompetence, arrogance, and insistence on playing the victim are staggering in light of what is now known about "the scheme".

 

Besides the rice pledge being a bad idea,  her facing seizure by those of seized power is a miscarriage of justice.  They should wait until an elected government is in place.  The money is being taken not by a court of law but by the whim of the junta.  They can ask money from anyone then without question.  

[mrmicbkktxl]

oh,the junta lovers are back,nothing much to celebrate these days,is it

[Dogmatix]

Her case is not really comparable to the case of Rerngchai,  the former BoT governor, acquitted in the civil case over damages from the collapse of the baht in 1997.  Most of the damage was done before Rerngchai took over as governor, although he was unlucky enough to have it all blow up on his watch.  And it was more incompetence that malfaisance.  He did a poor job but was faced with an extremely complex set of circumstances, wherein the outcome of any given course of action was unknown, an accumulation of problems caused by terrible policy decisions by his predecessors.  Yingluck simply acted as a puppet for her brother who planned to win votes and popularity through the rice pledging scheme for his personal advantage and further planned to do a serier of corrupt deals, plus even fantasised about cornering the global rice market and making a killing with other peoples money and no risk to himself.  This was deliberate malfeasance on Yingluck's part and she should be fined a lot more than B37bn as well serve the maximum 10 year sentence in full.

 

[canuckamuck]

Here's to the future; there is now a precedent for Thai Prime ministers to be responsible for bad ideas and to pay for any losses incurred during their watch. It should be real interesting to see the bill for the current crews misadventures. How much has the economy slipped since 2014. Maybe they should start making payments in advance.

[sweatalot]

4 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Besides the rice pledge being a bad idea,  her facing seizure by those of seized power is a miscarriage of justice.  They should wait until an elected government is in place.  The money is being taken not by a court of law but by the whim of the junta.  They can ask money from anyone then without question.  

elected government?

in Thailand?    buahahaha   ^:-)))

 

who in Thailand would be qualified to be elected?

- and who in Thailand would be qualified to elect?

 

 

[JAG]

6 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

elected government?

in Thailand?    buahahaha   ^:-)))

 

who in Thailand would be qualified to be elected?

- and who in Thailand would be qualified to elect?

 

 

 

Those whom the people choose to vote for are "qualified"

 

Every adult Thai is qualified to elect.

 

Your arrogance, presuming to suggest that the Thais are not "qualified" to choose their own government, is as breathtaking as is that of those who assume that they  are entitled to take the whole country, at gunpoint, because the lower orders don't vote the way they tell them.

Put simply, it is fascist.

[tbthailand]

9 hours ago, z42 said:

By justice, she must mean a way in which she doesn't have to pay anything, all her assets remain out of reach, and some less connected lackeys take the fall instead.

Her incompetence, arrogance, and insistence on playing the victim are staggering in light of what is now known about "the scheme".

 

Imagine how high the fine would be if it were a different former PM and if that PM were not a billionaire... 

 

That shows clearly that this is not about wrong-doing but about vengeance ... 

 

Look, if she were a former PM/President in any normal country and had (possibly) broken the law, then she might be taken to court and tried. And the possible punishments would be known in advance. 

 

What is happening here is that the generals in the clown car are making this sh!t up as they go. 

[tbthailand]

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

Those whom the people choose to vote for are "qualified"

 

Every adult Thai is qualified to elect.

 

Your arrogance, presuming to suggest that the Thais are not "qualified" to choose their own government, is as breathtaking as is that of those who assume that they  are entitled to take the whole country, at gunpoint, because the lower orders don't vote the way they tell them.

Put simply, it is fascist.

I believe that the Thai people are qualified to vote.

 

I also believe that Sweatalot is not qualified to type... 

[gemini81]

Suddenly she wants justice and the same treatment as others?! Should have thought like that when you were in office Honey.

[sweatalot]

14 hours ago, JAG said:

 

Those whom the people choose to vote for are "qualified"

 

Every adult Thai is qualified to elect.

 

Your arrogance, presuming to suggest that the Thais are not "qualified" to choose their own government, is as breathtaking as is that of those who assume that they  are entitled to take the whole country, at gunpoint, because the lower orders don't vote the way they tell them.

Put simply, it is fascist.

check the "elected" governments Thailand had

and the way they were elected

so far to qualification

Edited October 8, 2016 by sweatalot

[JAG]

2 hours ago, sweatalot said:

check the "elected" governments Thailand had

and the way they were elected

so far to qualification

 

Your post doesn't make sense - but I presume that you are claiming that the last elected government came to power as the result of electoral fraud.

 

The election was confirmed as free and fair by international observers, and accepted as such by the defeated Prime Minister.

 

Others could not accept the result, so they created the conditions for and launched a coup.

 

You don't like the result, so you sneer arrogantly at the Thais electorate.

[candide]

3 hours ago, sweatalot said:

check the "elected" governments Thailand had

and the way they were elected

so far to qualification

In addition to JAG's comment: do you really think that the unelected governments Thailand had (has) were (are) more qualified? 

[Freed1948]

IMO she is getting justice. She is not presenting any STRONG evidence of her innocence.

Just finding fault of the prosecutors.

[halloween]

47 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

Your post doesn't make sense - but I presume that you are claiming that the last elected government came to power as the result of electoral fraud.

 

The election was confirmed as free and fair by international observers, and accepted as such by the defeated Prime Minister.

 

Others could not accept the result, so they created the conditions for and launched a coup.

 

You don't like the result, so you sneer arrogantly at the Thais electorate.

The last elected government came to power as a result of unbridled electoral bribery, offering pie in the sky policies knowing they would appeal to the baser instincts of a naive electorate.

While the ELECTION was fair, that has little to do with the quality of the democracy, which requires a free and critical press and an informed and  educated populace. A democratic government should offer responsible management of the country. PTP offered irresponsible policies knowing that they would not be ridiculed in the press and that the populace would not see them as unworkable. 

Being held accountable for irresponsible policy will go a long way to improving the quality of Thai democracy, too long dominated by criminals offering publicly funded bribes to enable them to enrich themselves.

[JAG]

46 minutes ago, halloween said:

The last elected government came to power as a result of unbridled electoral bribery, offering pie in the sky policies knowing they would appeal to the baser instincts of a naive electorate.

While the ELECTION was fair, that has little to do with the quality of the democracy, which requires a free and critical press and an informed and  educated populace. A democratic government should offer responsible management of the country. PTP offered irresponsible policies knowing that they would not be ridiculed in the press and that the populace would not see them as unworkable. 

Being held accountable for irresponsible policy will go a long way to improving the quality of Thai democracy, too long dominated by criminals offering publicly funded bribes to enable them to enrich themselves.

And they should be held accountable - in the first place by the electorate., and if a crime has been committed in an independent court of law, sanctions being put in place by the court and not at the whim of and by a military junta whose legitimacy is more than questionable.

 

Ah wait, the election which would have allowed the electorate to pass judgement was  blocked wasn't it, and power was taken by a military coup wasn't it, which installed a junta government didn't it. Which is proving to be an absolute paragon when it comes to denying the temptation to spend public money on itself....

 

Face up to it, neither you nor "Sweatalot" have the faintest interest in democracy being practised (and hence developing) in this country, because it inevitably will lead to a government of which you do not approve. Like the junta, both of you have contempt for the Thai electorate, and are happy that they are denied their choice.

Edited October 8, 2016 by JAG

[WhizBang]

Yingluck should appeal to her brother for justice.  It was, after all, HIS plan, so he should be the one to bear the costs.
 

[Skywalker69]

18 hours ago, JAG said:

 

Those whom the people choose to vote for are "qualified"

 

Every adult Thai is qualified to elect.

 

Your arrogance, presuming to suggest that the Thais are not "qualified" to choose their own government, is as breathtaking as is that of those who assume that they  are entitled to take the whole country, at gunpoint, because the lower orders don't vote the way they tell them.

Put simply, it is fascist.

 

[jope]

18 hours ago, sweatalot said:

elected government?

in Thailand?    buahahaha   ^:-)))

 

who in Thailand would be qualified to be elected?

- and who in Thailand would be qualified to elect?

 

 

 

Bloody Hell, I did not know that I have to be "qualified" to cast my vote or to be elected.. Thanks for the heads up.

Just out of curiosity, what would these "qualifications" be and who is determining them?

 

[JAG]

7 minutes ago, jope said:

 

Bloody Hell, I did not know that I have to be "qualified" to cast my vote or to be elected.. Thanks for the heads up.

Just out of curiosity, what would these "qualifications" be and who is determining them?

 

One assumes that the "qualification" is proposing policies which find favour with "Sweatalot."

 

The qualification will of course be determined by "Sweatalot".

 

You can of course replace "Sweatalot" with "the junta". After all, you probably couldn't get a cigarette paper between them!

 

[halloween]

1 hour ago, JAG said:

And they should be held accountable - in the first place by the electorate., and if a crime has been committed in an independent court of law, sanctions being put in place by the court and not at the whim of and by a military junta whose legitimacy is more than questionable.

 

Ah wait, the election which would have allowed the electorate to pass judgement was  blocked wasn't it, and power was taken by a military coup wasn't it, which installed a junta government didn't it. Which is proving to be an absolute paragon when it comes to denying the temptation to spend public money on itself....

 

Face up to it, neither you nor "Sweatalot" have the faintest interest in democracy being practised (and hence developing) in this country, because it inevitably will lead to a government of which you do not approve. Like the junta, both of you have contempt for the Thai electorate, and are happy that they are denied their choice.

 

The electorate doesn't make you repay the money you wasted. I notice that you completely ignore the subjects of a free and critical press and an informed and educated electorate, preferring to change the subject. 

Electoral accountability is a far different matter to fiscal accountability. It's no surprise you prefer the former as elections seem to be where democracy begins and ends in your playbook, but what is your real problem with the latter? Why should criminals posing as politicians be able to offer state funded bribes to buy their way into office and gain a licence to steal?

[JAG]

1 minute ago, halloween said:

 

The electorate doesn't make you repay the money you wasted. I notice that you completely ignore the subjects of a free and critical press and an informed and educated electorate, preferring to change the subject. 

Electoral accountability is a far different matter to fiscal accountability. It's no surprise you prefer the former as elections seem to be where democracy begins and ends in your playbook, but what is your real problem with the latter? Why should criminals posing as politicians be able to offer state funded bribes to buy their way into office and gain a licence to steal?

 

If the electorate replaces you because of fiscal irresponsibility, and the replacement government the electorate installs prosecutes you because  it believes your actions were criminal, and that prosecution is through an independent  judicial system, that is fine. That is what should happen. Fiscal accountability is driven by electoral accountability. That Is light years away from a military coup installed junta levying fines at the junta leaders dictat, without a court decision, and with the intention of breaking the financial back of their most likely opposition.

 

As for a free and critical press, the press was far freer and more able to criticise the Thaksin regimes (much to his chagrin) than now. Now they are simply threatened with imprisonment or worse.

 

The level of education and political engagement or information held by the electorate should not be a qualification to exercise the right to vote. You increase your chances of winning by increasing the populations political engagement and informing them.

 

Elections are certainly where democracy begins in "my playbook". Qualifying or ignoring the electorates decision, because they are naive, or you believe that they are inadequatly informed, or just plain wrong, as appears to be your "playbook", is the absolute antithesis of democracy. There are many other things which go to make up a democratic society, oddly enough they are just about all (in theory) in place in Thailand. If elections were respected, and these institutions were allowed to function as intended, not subverted , corrupted and then misused by those who overturn  election results; then a democratic Thailand would be within reach. As it is,a bunch of self appointed military men, a junta,  take power, place themselves in office and award themselves absolute power,  with the access to the national wealth which goes with that absolute and unchecked power.. The chances of a peaceful transformation to a democratic society are set back indefinitely, and the eventual likelihood of widespread political violence instead,  is increased. You seem to prefer this.

[bheard]

On 07/10/2016 at 8:41 PM, yellowboat said:

Besides the rice pledge being a bad idea,  her facing seizure by those of seized power is a miscarriage of justice.  They should wait until an elected government is in place.  The money is being taken not by a court of law but by the whim of the junta.  They can ask money from anyone then without question.  

 

Of course you are correct. The idea of taking assets from someone who was legally elected to government by someone who gained power due to a military coup is preposterous (obviously possible because that's what military governments do - because they can. However in Thailand anything goes).

 

Any TV readers who believe this is right and just should take a look at governments in their own countries - look at the  injustices they have participated in against their own people. Did members of government have to pay individually for their poor policies and judgement? No.

[scorecard]

On 10/7/2016 at 11:41 AM, z42 said:

By justice, she must mean a way in which she doesn't have to pay anything, all her assets remain out of reach, and some less connected lackeys take the fall instead.

Her incompetence, arrogance, and insistence on playing the victim are staggering in light of what is now known about "the scheme".

 

 

 

And seems to me she's trying the idea: 'but both items are round', the fact that they are totally different categories of items seems to be deliberately and conveniently ignored.

 

And she seems to believe everybody will believe her version / the version that she is really just a nice girl really helping the farmers.