Older Honda CR-V is Gasohol OK?

[Sakeopete]

I'm looking for a older second hand vehicle for my step-son. I seen a nice 2003 CR-V within my price range. Will they run OK on E20? 

[juehoe]

I assume not. The first E20 vehicles arrived around 2008. Normally there is a sticker near the fuel cap, where you see, which gasoline to use. And then - ask Honda!

Many older vehicles can use E20 but the fuel consumption will increase significantly and the engine will be less powerful. A friend just changed from E20 to Gasohol 91 with his Honda Freed and noticed a significant drop in fuel consumption (about 30%). The power may increased a little.

So at the end, E20 may be more expensive than Gasoline 91.

[DavisH]

E10 is OK but not E20. I have run my honda 2004 2.0 (same engine as the cr-v) on E10 for many years with no problems. 

[BBJ]

Or you can use a conversion kit.  I have a 2007 which runs 90% on E85.  

[KhunBENQ]

On 13.10.2016 at 8:15 PM, DavisH said:

E10 is OK but not E20. I have run my honda 2004 2.0 (same engine as the cr-v) on E10 for many years with no problems. 

E10, and that is what so many do to my surprise.

I remember the huge outcry in Germany when E10 was introduced that so many cars would break down.

 

I am overcautious and ask the family to operate the 12 year old Vios on the expensive gasoline/benzene 95 (no ethanol).

 

[johng]

I remember the huge outcry in Germany when E10 was introduced that so many cars would break down.  

And how many broke down ?

[KhunBENQ]

Never heard about it again

Hysteria to my opinion.

 

[johng]

Or you can use a conversion kit.  I have a 2007 which runs 90% on E85.  

What did the conversion kit convert ?

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, johng said:

 

What did the conversion kit convert ?

 

Curious too.....are all rubber components changed as well...anything that could get damaged by ethanol? Race cars are tuned to run on E85, so the power is there. 

[MYKTHEMIN]

I would use Benzine 95 proper petrol not that gasahol crap

[Strange]

On 10/13/2016 at 7:18 PM, Sakeopete said:

I'm looking for a older second hand vehicle for my step-son. I seen a nice 2003 CR-V within my price range. Will they run OK on E20? 

 

Gasohol is not E20

 

Gasohol is E10. 10% Ethanol. When you go to the pump and so-hol is offered, this is gasohol, IE - E10

 

Yes, regardless of what any naysayers say, Any modern fuel injected engine will run 100% fine on Gasohol (E10). 

 

Your potential CR-V is fine. Just put the octane rating in there that the manufacturer recommends.... Caveat: A car that is recommended to run on 91 octane, will run just fine on 95 octane. A car that is recommended to run on 95 octane, should not have 91 octane in it. 

 

100% fine. No problem. 

[Strange]

9 minutes ago, MYKTHEMIN said:

I would use Benzine 95 proper petrol not that gasahol crap

 

Uninformed & unnecessary. 

 

Benzine 95 is fine, but unnecessary. Can run 95 petrol no problem, but gasohol is not crap at all. 

[Strange]

On 10/16/2016 at 11:23 AM, KhunBENQ said:

I am overcautious and ask the family to operate the 12 year old Vios on the expensive gasoline/benzene 95 (no ethanol).

 

95 petrol will not hurt, but its unnecessary. 

 

Will be just fine on 91 gasohol.

[Strange]

On 10/16/2016 at 10:12 AM, BBJ said:

I have a 2007 which runs 90% on E85.  

 

And the other 10%?

[KhunBENQ]

4 hours ago, Strange said:

Just put the octane rating in there that the manufacturer recommends.... Caveat: A car that is recommended to run on 91 octane, will run just fine on 95 octane. A car that is recommended to run on 95 octane, should not have 91 octane in it. 

BTW: Thai regulators want to abolish 91 octane during next year or so.

The price difference between gasohol 91 and 95 is already small (brought down) anyway.

About 30 Satang.

As far as I remember 91 octane has been abolished in most European countries years ago.

 

[Strange]

14 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

BTW: Thai regulators want to abolish 91 octane during next year or so.

The price difference between gasohol 91 and 95 is already small (brought down) anyway.

About 30 Satang.

As far as I remember 91 octane has been abolished in most European countries years ago.

 

I read that too. When talking about abolishing 91 octane E10 I mean it makes sense if the prices are just about the same for 95. 

 

I can't comment on Europe or Thailand but in the US we still have 87, 91, 93, and 95 and the prices increase with the octane rating, but they are all "Up to 10% Ethanol" nowadays. You can still get regular gasoline without ethanol, but its mostly for boats and small carbuerated engines and stuff that gets used once and stored for weeks/months. Still sold at the pumps too. 

 

But the thing is that the fear is unnecessary in regards to E10. What gets me is people are worried about it being "Bad" or "Crap" and its not. The only real consideration is long term storage (6 months +) after all this, still no dramatic failures due to the E. 

 

Your 12 year old Vios is still a modern fuel injected car and will adjust fuel trim and spark advance accordingly, within a certain limit. Fuel lines are steel, fuel pump won't fail, injectors won't foul. 

[MYKTHEMIN]

16 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Uninformed & unnecessary. 

 

Benzine 95 is fine, but unnecessary. Can run 95 petrol no problem, but gasohol is not crap at all. 

Sorry the gasahol here is crap, if the car stands for a few weeks unused the fuel goes really bad and you will be lucky to start it.

[Anthony5]

6 minutes ago, MYKTHEMIN said:

Sorry the gasahol here is crap, if the car stands for a few weeks unused the fuel goes really bad and you will be lucky to start it.

 

The gasohol here is exactly the same as elsewhere in the world. The nature of gasohol is that it has a higher moisture content than benzine.

[Strange]

7 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

17 minutes ago, MYKTHEMIN said:

Sorry the gasahol here is crap, if the car stands for a few weeks unused the fuel goes really bad and you will be lucky to start it.

 

The gasohol here is exactly the same as elsewhere in the world. The nature of gasohol is that it has a higher moisture content than benzine.

 

Exactly. 

 

Add to that, its only 10% Ethanol. Add on top of that, moisture is attracted to Ethanol, not that it has a higher moisture content, per se. Modern cars & trucks don't vent their fuel tanks like the old days where it was just vented to atmosphere. There is a EVAP system in place (or variation thereof) and the hydrocarbons from the fuel tank are vented back into the engine for emissions controls. This inadvertently negates a lot of the moisture issue as its more or less a sealed system. 

 

This is also a very good reason NOT to let the Thais overfill a fuel tank. Ive seen them go as far as actually shaking a car to get another couple baht in there. This can cause a whole host of head scratching problems. 

 

 

[BBJ]

16 hours ago, Strange said:

 

And the other 10%?

When satation not hab i use not e85.  Cow jai mai?

 

 

[BBJ]

On 10/16/2016 at 1:02 PM, DavisH said:

Curious too.....are all rubber components changed as well...anything that could get damaged by ethanol? Race cars are tuned to run on E85, so the power is there. 

 

On 10/16/2016 at 1:02 PM, DavisH said:

Curious too.....are all rubber components changed as well...anything that could get damaged by ethanol? Race cars are tuned to run on E85, so the power is there. 

Flexfuel American kit.  Changed hoses and filter.  Been running great for nearly two years.  Saves a ton in cash despite getting slighlty less km per tank.  Performance better as well.

[Strange]

On 10/16/2016 at 11:30 AM, johng said:

What did the conversion kit convert ?

 

 

On a modern fuel injected engine, without too many performance mods, you don't need to change anything, just fuel trim. With E85 you need around 30% more fuel delivered. Thats it. Modern fuel injection systems are capable of accurately delivering the extra 30%, it just needs a controller to tell it to. Octane rating of E85 is around 105. 

 

On 10/16/2016 at 1:02 PM, DavisH said:

Curious too.....are all rubber components changed as well...anything that could get damaged by ethanol? Race cars are tuned to run on E85, so the power is there. 

 

E85 is 105 octane. Its a badass fuel sold at the pumps. Modern fuel injected cars dont need to change components as they are not old cork. They are modern synthetic rubber and polymers. 

 

Any gasoline modern gasoline engine can run on E85. 

 

There is a lot of misinformation out there and bro-science in regards to a lot of this. 

[DavisH]

18 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Gasohol is not E20

 

 

E20 is still a gasohol, but has 20% ethanol and not 10% ethanol (E10). They are both ethanol blends, obviously. Gasohol is just the commonly used term for E10....just semantics, I know.  

[DavisH]

26 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

On a modern fuel injected engine, without too many performance mods, you don't need to change anything, just fuel trim. With E85 you need around 30% more fuel delivered. Thats it. Modern fuel injection systems are capable of accurately delivering the extra 30%, it just needs a controller to tell it to. Octane rating of E85 is around 105. 

 

 

E85 is 105 octane. Its a badass fuel sold at the pumps. Modern fuel injected cars dont need to change components as they are not old cork. They are modern synthetic rubber and polymers. 

 

Any gasoline modern gasoline engine can run on E85. 

 

There is a lot of misinformation out there and bro-science in regards to a lot of this. 

I've seen quite a few small cars with turbos installed, like honda jazz, and tuned to run on e85...

[Strange]

2 minutes ago, DavisH said:

 

E20 is still a gasohol, but has 20% ethanol and not 10% ethanol (E10). They are both ethanol blends, obviously. Gasohol is just the commonly used term for E10....just semantics, I know.  

 

Yeap. 

 

In the states we don't call it anything really. Up to 10% its just going to the pump and getting gas.... 

[Strange]

Just now, DavisH said:

I've seen quite a few small cars with turbos installed, like honda jazz, and tuned to run on e85...

 

Me too. Its a smart choice for a turbo car. 

 

This would be a substantial performance upgrade and it would be safe to assume that a larger fuel pump, lines, rail, and injectors were also installed. If not, then there will be a lot of power left on the table. Turbo by itself requires a lot of extra gasoline, then switch to E85, the fuel system probably won't be able to deliver the required fuel in stock form. 

 

E85 is great as a performance fuel. Its like race gas sold at the pump. 

[Ace of Pop]

I find 18.5 Bht better than 33 pl .Yeh its rubbish


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