May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[jpinx]

9 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

He makes some very sound points. He just got the bit about cruising to an election victory wrong. But so did everybody else.

Ya think?     Anyone watching TM screw up the campaign would have seen the outcome from a week past Wednesday!   No pollsters brownie points being awarded for that 20-20 hindsight..

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, jpinx said:

Ya think?     Anyone watching TM screw up the campaign would have seen the outcome from a week past Wednesday!   No pollsters brownie points being awarded for that 20-20 hindsight..

 

The manifesto was about as appealing as a loud fart in church. But the DE commentator simply expressed his admiration for her not offering a manifesto of freebies (unlike Corbyn), and beleived (as did most other commentators) that her pragmatic approach would still result in an election win.

Edited June 15, 2017 by Khun Han

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Indeed. A Curate's Egg. Good in parts.

 

Aren't most things in life?

[Khun Han]

The tough talks start on Monday:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40293260

[onthesoi]

6 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The manifesto was about as appealing as a loud fart in church. But the DE commentator simply expressed his admiration for her not offering a manifesto of freebies (unlike Corbyn), and beleived (as did most other commentators) that her pragmatic approach would result in an election win.

 

The manifesto was there in spirit only, the real reason for the election was TM securing a mandate for Brexit:

 

Lets remind ourselves why TM called the election:

 

[onthesoi]

2 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

The tough talks start on Monday:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40293260

 

The real tough talk is when they have to explain to the British people that the deal struck with the EU is worse than when the UK was a member & oh btw no changes to immigration

[Khun Han]

1 minute ago, onthesoi said:

 

The real tough talk is when they have to explain to the British people that the deal struck with the EU is worse than when the UK was a member & oh btw no changes to immigration

 

My view is that there probably won't be a deal struck.

[jpinx]

28 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

My view is that there probably won't be a deal struck.

There doesn't need to be -- both France and Germany have said UK can stay .....   so now we know who's in charge of the EU :)

[Khun Han]

17 minutes ago, jpinx said:

There doesn't need to be -- both France and Germany have said UK can stay .....   so now we know who's in charge of the EU :)

 

As if we ever didn't: A German rottweiler with it's ever-obedient French poodle by it's side.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Here's something from Leo about the Conservative Manifesto

Once again, as with Brexit and the EU, she has shown her mettle. It would have been so easy for her, as she cruised towards a landslide, just to avoid this thorny question by promising the establishment of yet a further meaningless review or commission. 

But she is honest enough to tell us that the prevarication has to end

 

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/807496/theresa-may-social-care-pledge-conservative-manifesto-leo-mckinstry

 

Glad you like it.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

My view is that there probably won't be a deal struck.

I spy with my little eye........something beginning with B.

[Khun Han]

8 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

My view is that there probably won't be a deal struck.

I spy with my little eye........something beginning with B.

 

It all depends whether-or-not May stays at the helm. The EU are currently hell bent on offering a bad deal. That currently means no deal.

[sandyf]

9 hours ago, onthesoi said:

 

The real tough talk is when they have to explain to the British people that the deal struck with the EU is worse than when the UK was a member & oh btw no changes to immigration

Exactly.

This concept of "No deal is better than a bad deal" is in fact a fallacy, the large number of connotations make it invalid. On the basis that 'deal' means some sort of arrangement, it is a fact of life that an exit arrangement cannot be avoided so the idea of 'No Deal' just does not exist.

She was probably referring to trade and meant that no trade agreement was better than a bad trade agreement but like all politicians just loves the ambiguity. The fact that most business leader consider no trade agreement is the worst possible outcome just doesn't feature in the rhetoric. If no trade agreement is the worst case scenario how would a bad trade agreement arise.

Of course in the overall scheme of things, trade is just one of the cogs in the brexit gearbox, watch out for the double declutch when it comes to the Irish border.

 

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

Roaming charges dropped - what great timing! More like carrots on a stick and I bet all the donkeys will love them! Munch munch munch!

" what great timing!"

 

Old news - Roaming charges were abolished in December 2016 to be implemented by 15th June 2017. Carrots were excreted a long time ago.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

" what great timing!"

 

Old news - Roaming charges were abolished in December 2016 to be implemented by 15th June 2017. Carrots were excreted a long time ago.

Still post brexit carrots for the gullible. Munch munch. Hee haw.

[AlexRich]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Exactly.

This concept of "No deal is better than a bad deal" is in fact a fallacy, the large number of connotations make it invalid. On the basis that 'deal' means some sort of arrangement, it is a fact of life that an exit arrangement cannot be avoided so the idea of 'No Deal' just does not exist.

She was probably referring to trade and meant that no trade agreement was better than a bad trade agreement but like all politicians just loves the ambiguity. The fact that most business leader consider no trade agreement is the worst possible outcome just doesn't feature in the rhetoric. If no trade agreement is the worst case scenario how would a bad trade agreement arise.

Of course in the overall scheme of things, trade is just one of the cogs in the brexit gearbox, watch out for the double declutch when it comes to the Irish border.

 

The truth is that no Brexit is better than either no deal or a bad deal ... as we'll all soon find out unfortunately!

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The truth is that no Brexit is better than either no deal or a bad deal ... as we'll all soon find out unfortunately!

IYHO

[mommysboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/16/grenfell-tower-price-britain-inequality-high-rise

 

There is something rather allegorical about this tragic event!  And for me, areas of contemplation are inequality, greed, unregulated capitalism, uncaring politics....

 

And it's generally accepted that standards will decline after Brexit.

Edited June 16, 2017 by mommysboy

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

IYHO

Opinion, soon to be fact.

[AlexRich]

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/16/grenfell-tower-price-britain-inequality-high-rise

 

There is something rather allegorical about this tragic event!  And for me, areas of contemplation are inequality, greed, unregulated capitalism, uncaring politics....

 

And it's generally accepted that standards will decline after Brexit.

This was a Corbyn dream ... but the reality is that this sort of tragedy can happen anywhere under any government.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/16/grenfell-tower-price-britain-inequality-high-rise

 

There is something rather allegorical about this tragic event!  And for me, areas of contemplation are inequality, greed, unregulated capitalism, uncaring politics....

Be ashamed - right off topic!

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

Opinion, soon to be fact.

As you say, highness.

[mommysboy]

Just now, nauseus said:

Be ashamed - right off topic!

I am not.  It is not off topic.  We will be leaving higher EU standards. Shame on you!

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

This was a Corbyn dream ... but the reality is that this sort of tragedy can happen anywhere under any government.

But especially under one that cares little for its poor and dis-advantaged.

[nauseus]

Just now, mommysboy said:

I am not.  It is not off topic.  We will be leaving higher EU standards. Shame on you!

You should not drag this tragedy in here. 

[AlexRich]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You should not drag this tragedy in here. 

This is about Brexit, a modern day tragedy ... and the tragedy of another socialist experiment plus Brexit madness is absolutely on topic.

[jpinx]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Exactly.

This concept of "No deal is better than a bad deal" is in fact a fallacy, the large number of connotations make it invalid. On the basis that 'deal' means some sort of arrangement, it is a fact of life that an exit arrangement cannot be avoided so the idea of 'No Deal' just does not exist.

She was probably referring to trade and meant that no trade agreement was better than a bad trade agreement but like all politicians just loves the ambiguity. The fact that most business leader consider no trade agreement is the worst possible outcome just doesn't feature in the rhetoric. If no trade agreement is the worst case scenario how would a bad trade agreement arise.

Of course in the overall scheme of things, trade is just one of the cogs in the brexit gearbox, watch out for the double declutch when it comes to the Irish border.

 

Posters are generally not keeping up with the reality now.  No deal no longer needs to be an option  --  Germany and France have said that UK can stay in the EU.  The politik-real is now that UK actually has a choice, and can still fall within the terms of the referendum result.   I don't agree with Sandy's politics, but I do agree with his pragmatic approach.  I am accused of wanting my cake and eating it, but that seems to be what's on offer now, and UK would be stupid to not look at that carefully.  

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

This is about Brexit, a modern day tragedy ... and the tragedy of another socialist experiment plus Brexit madness is absolutely on topic.

How is a ghastly and fatal tower block fire anything to do with the OP? Have some respect for a change.

[Khun Han]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How is a ghastly and fatal tower block fire anything to do with the OP? Have some respect for a change.

 

It isn't. And it's extremely unsavoury to use it to forward an argument that health and safety will get worse if we leave the EU. And cutting red tape (which is what we will see once we are free of the EU) is often nothing to do with health and safety, as anyone who has experience of site work (33 years running a company involved in it for me) knows full well. The huge health and safety industry (which is mostly parasitic) will suffer, but business in general will prosper.

[Grouse]

14 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

It all depends whether-or-not May stays at the helm. The EU are currently hell bent on offering a bad deal. That currently means no deal.

Utterly incorrect. You obviously have not listened to what's being said. Did you see Hardtalk. Our European friends are being magnanimous even as they watch us making an embarrassing pigs ear of the whole business. We just look crap ?