Court rejects second bail attempt by redshirt leader Jatuporn

[greenchair]

On 28/10/2016 at 6:28 PM, scorecard said:

 

Eric,

 

Many folks, me included, have known for years that the UDD, Red shirts / PT party have other backers, no doubt folks who have a vested interest (want to gain a return) from backing these groups. In terms of the PT party it's well established that the paymaster paid all of the PT members of parliament (and little doubt others) a sizable monthly salary, in addition to their salary from taxpayers funds, to just get elected, any way you can, support available to get elected, then just sit their in the parliament and keep your mouth shut. In fact breaking all the values and morals attached to quality democracy.

 

But you didn't answer my question, do you believe UDD can survive just on their values, etc? Please answer.  And I throw in a further question:

 

- Do they have an agreed and published manifesto?

 

Your second paragraph: "So far on my record, the UDD is against dictator...." . Surely you jest. This point has been debated in regard to  UDD, Reds, PT, the shin machine family working hard to set up a dictatorship, punish anybody who speaks out, and kill democracy. Have you been sleeping. The rest of your second paragraph, again been debated to death but you refuse to see anything but your bias aligned POV. 

 

Your paragraph 3, again you try to divert, how about a specific answer to how the UDD internal democratic elections work.

Every political party in the world is propped up by corporations with their own agenders including the current government that was propped up by the elite. 

Higher up members of all political parties recieve a salary. They have families to feed and especially in Thailand risk their lives and freedom everyday as can be seen by juttaporn. The only way the lower class can improve their miserable lot is by the power of their vote intertwined with populist policies. 

Call it vote buying if you want. It's standard practise in the world of politics. Everybody gets a little bit and everybody loses a little bit. 

Can any political party survive based on their values ??No.

 

[scorecard]

12 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Every political party in the world is propped up by corporations with their own agenders including the current government that was propped up by the elite. 

Higher up members of all political parties recieve a salary. They have families to feed and especially in Thailand risk their lives and freedom everyday as can be seen by juttaporn. The only way the lower class can improve their miserable lot is by the power of their vote intertwined with populist policies. 

Call it vote buying if you want. It's standard practise in the world of politics. Everybody gets a little bit and everybody loses a little bit. 

Can any political party survive based on their values ??No.

 

 

So you attempt to rewrite the Thai recent history into something acceptable. Not possible, you fail.

 

So now you attempt to repaint jatuporn into a selfless hero. You must be joking, and how insulting.

 

So now you throw values to the wind. Overall your post just shows your lack serious of values.

Edited October 30, 2016 by scorecard

[greenchair]

43 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

So you attempt to rewrite the Thai recent history into something acceptable. Not possible, you fail.

 

So now you attempt to repaint jatuporn into a selfless hero. You must be joking, and how insulting.

 

So now you throw values to the wind. Overall your post just shows your lack serious of values.

 

Hilarious. 

What did he do that deserves to be locked up in a prison with murderers and kiddy fiddlers? ??

[halloween]

3 hours ago, greenchair said:

Every political party in the world is propped up by corporations with their own agenders including the current government that was propped up by the elite. 

Higher up members of all political parties recieve a salary. They have families to feed and especially in Thailand risk their lives and freedom everyday as can be seen by juttaporn. The only way the lower class can improve their miserable lot is by the power of their vote intertwined with populist policies. 

Call it vote buying if you want. It's standard practise in the world of politics. Everybody gets a little bit and everybody loses a little bit. 

Can any political party survive based on their values ??No.

 

Love your casual lies ,old son. Like to give us an example of another country where MPs receive another salary, which is what Scorecard was referring to? In most democratic countries, accepting such payment would be a crime.

[greenchair]

2 hours ago, halloween said:

Love your casual lies ,old son. Like to give us an example of another country where MPs receive another salary, which is what Scorecard was referring to? In most democratic countries, accepting such payment would be a crime.

 

I'm not old and I'm certainly not your son. I didn't say another salary, I said A salary. And I didn't say MP, I said higher members of the party. Where is the proof for such a liables statement that MP recieved a second salary. Any ways that stuff is neither here nor there. 

What has jatuporn done to deserve being in prison with murderers and kiddy fiddlers? ?

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

 

I'm not old and I'm certainly not your son. I didn't say another salary, I said A salary. And I didn't say MP, I said higher members of the party. Where is the proof for such a liables statement that MP recieved a second salary. Any ways that stuff is neither here nor there. 

What has jatuporn done to deserve being in prison with murderers and kiddy fiddlers? ?

 

Hey greenchair, are you under the spell of el, an expert at twists and turns and trying to change words after the event?

 

What has jatuporn done...  It' all well documents and discussed to death, maybe you should do your research again. He broke the law several times.

 

Why do you mention murderers and kiddly fiddlers, there no connection whatever? Just your outrageous attempt at a diversion. 

[greenchair]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Hey greenchair, are you under the spell of el, an expert at twists and turns and trying to change words after the event?

 

What has jatuporn done...  It' all well documents and discussed to death, maybe you should do your research again. He broke the law several times.

 

Why do you mention murderers and kiddly fiddlers, there no connection whatever? Just your outrageous attempt at a diversion. 

 

People keep saying look it up, I tried but all I can find is he held a few meetings and had an oppositional voice. He is a kind man with a family that exercises his freedom to speak. Does he deserve to be in prison with thieves and rapists. 

 

[bangrak]

11 minutes ago, greenchair said:

 

People keep saying look it up, I tried but all I can find is he held a few meetings and had an oppositional voice. He is a kind man with a family that exercises his freedom to speak. Does he deserve to be in prison with thieves and rapists. 

 

Forget it, 'scorecard', I don't know what it is with these guys (brainwashed, lobotomised, ...or plain livingin a fantasy world?)' mantra but they would not recognise truth when it would bite them in the arse! Maybe, also, there another difference between them and other posters here, pro or contra(!), with an (structured, validated) opinion of their own...

[Eric Loh]

12 hours ago, greenchair said:

 

People keep saying look it up, I tried but all I can find is he held a few meetings and had an oppositional voice. He is a kind man with a family that exercises his freedom to speak. Does he deserve to be in prison with thieves and rapists. 

 

 

Thailand establishment and their military henchman have no tolerance for oppositions whether they are activists, students or politicians throughout history. They are either jailed, forced to flee into exile or shot down. But some here still love them nevertheless.