Deja vu as Theresa May fends off ‘shambolic’ Brexit plan accusations

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Deja vu as Theresa May fends off ‘shambolic’ Brexit plan accusations

Alasdair Sandford

 

 

LONDON: -- The British Prime Minister has again clashed in parliament in the face of opposition charges that the government has no plan for Brexit.

 

Theresa May refused to elaborate on how the UK plans to leave the EU following the summer referendum, and still trade with the bloc.

 

“What we want to see is the best possible arrangement for trade with and operation within the single European market for business in goods and services here in the United Kingdom,” May told the House of Commons.

 

Afterwards some campaigners for a so-called “hard Brexit” who want to leave the single market said they were worried by what she did say.

 

The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said while Brexit was supposed to be about taking back control, neither Britain’s devolved governments nor business nor parliament knew what the government’s plan was.

 

“When will the prime minister abandon this shambolic Tory Brexit and develop a plan that delivers for the whole country,” he demanded.

 

Downing Street has played down the significance of comments made by Theresa May before the referendum expressing fears that companies might leave the UK if it was outside the EU.

 

The Guardian published details of a leaked recording of a private meeting she held with Goldman Sachs.

 

“If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say, do they need to develop a mainland Europe presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms,” the prime minister is heard saying.

 

“I think the economic arguments are clear. I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us.”

 

May, who backed Remain, goes on to cite the economic benefits of being in Europe.

 

Her office says she made the same points publicly at the time but is now dedicated to making Brexit work.

 

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-10-27

[Grouse]

Oh dear....?

[daveAustin]

Big deal. Of course she would have said those things if she were in the Remain camp. Quite benign really but firms potentially leaving is an obvious concern. Times have changed, she has to make it work now and about time everyone got behind her instead of bickering. As for that waste of space Corbyn, he'll open his trap and argue whatever the policy just to oppose, oppose, oppose.

[stevenl]

25 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Big deal. Of course she would have said those things if she were in the Remain camp. Quite benign really but firms potentially leaving is an obvious concern. Times have changed, she has to make it work now and about time everyone got behind her instead of bickering. As for that waste of space Corbyn, he'll open his trap and argue whatever the policy just to oppose, oppose, oppose.

Corbyn is right. There was no plan during the Brexit campaign, and there still is nothing of a plan to be seen.

[Caps]

57 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Corbyn is right. There was no plan during the Brexit campaign, and there still is nothing of a plan to be seen.

Yes as a Brexiter there was no plan for it, because the muppets in No10 didn't think it was ever going to happen, great planning.  

As for the planning now...just because they are not telling everyone about it all the time does not mean to say that they are not working on one.  Of course there will be one in the making, for better or worse and yes it won't suit everyone but hey...nothing ever does,  anyone who thinks that the Government are not working out a plan are talking crap..no one in their right minds would just sit there and the country get worse and worse.

As for Corbyn he's a fresh air thief and instead of trying to slag off everything that others do maybe he should be trying to be constructive and help try and get the country back on its feet.   

[Orac]

Big deal. Of course she would have said those things if she were in the Remain camp. Quite benign really but firms potentially leaving is an obvious concern. Times have changed, she has to make it work now and about time everyone got behind her instead of bickering. As for that waste of space Corbyn, he'll open his trap and argue whatever the policy just to oppose, oppose, oppose.

The big deal is not what she said before but what she is saying now in the House of Commons, namely that the intention is to operate within the single market.

[Naam]

[sungod]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Corbyn is right. There was no plan during the Brexit campaign, and there still is nothing of a plan to be seen.

 

I'm interested in Corbyn's detailed solution to all of this, whats he offering ?

[Kiwiken]

1 hour ago, Caps said:

Yes as a Brexiter there was no plan for it, because the muppets in No10 didn't think it was ever going to happen, great planning.  

As for the planning now...just because they are not telling everyone about it all the time does not mean to say that they are not working on one.  Of course there will be one in the making, for better or worse and yes it won't suit everyone but hey...nothing ever does,  anyone who thinks that the Government are not working out a plan are talking crap..no one in their right minds would just sit there and the country get worse and worse.

As for Corbyn he's a fresh air thief and instead of trying to slag off everything that others do maybe he should be trying to be constructive and help try and get the country back on its feet.   

Easy plan. turn the Royal Navy into Privateers as in the past. Start by raiding along the Spanish coast. Form an alliance with the Netherlands. Ignore France and pillage Belgium and Germany. East Brexit can be renamed Rexit and shove that up the European tail pipes. Rule Brittania

[Grouse]

Talking of deja vu, Gove (he's a bit odd) is back!

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-lands-a-new-role-on-the-committee-overseeing-brexit-a7382061.html%3Famp?client=safari

[smedly]

 

3 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Big deal. Of course she would have said those things if she were in the Remain camp. Quite benign really but firms potentially leaving is an obvious concern. Times have changed, she has to make it work now and about time everyone got behind her instead of bickering. As for that waste of space Corbyn, he'll open his trap and argue whatever the policy just to oppose, oppose, oppose.

 

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Corbyn is right. There was no plan during the Brexit campaign, and there still is nothing of a plan to be seen.

The is no plan, it is a negotiation, you cannot plan a negotiation, you may have goals that you want to achieve but as for a plan ............ nonsense, the planning as far a brexit was when to file article 50 the rest is in the wind until talks start 

 

There might be a plan regarding actions once officially outside the EU like conducting trade negotiations with other countries - home affairs - foreign policy etc

[mokwit]

One thing that hasn't been addressed is what we will do with our half of the channel tunnel once we leave EU. The French will probably use their half as a wine cellar, but not sure what we can do with ours - grow mushrooms maybe?

[jinners]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

 

I'm interested in Corbyn's detailed solution to all of this, whats he offering ?

 

"Corbyn is right" any argument starting with those words just needs to be ignored.

[jesimps]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

Corbyn is right. There was no plan during the Brexit campaign, and there still is nothing of a plan to be seen.

Course there's a plan. During the campaign and currently, the plan is to quit the EU and set up free trade deals with the world, including Europe. Free movement of trade goods without the free movement of people. In other words a common market, which we were origionally told that we were joining.

 

[jesimps]

48 minutes ago, mokwit said:

One thing that hasn't been addressed is what we will do with our half of the channel tunnel once we leave EU. The French will probably use their half as a wine cellar, but not sure what we can do with ours - grow mushrooms maybe?

Nick all the French wine then fill the festering thing in.

 

[elgordo38]

That is the job of a politician if they wish to succeed. Make all good ideas look bad and then say "I told you so" or just plain screw up the process to make it look bad. Next time sheeple toe the party line and vote according to government wishes. 

[rockingrobin]

Is David Frost move as adviser to Boris Johnson significant and an indication of a Norway style transitional approach  being considered

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1370960-sturgeon-s-brexit-adviser-goes-to-work-for-boris-johnson/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/dont-panic-heres-how-brexit-can-make-britain-can-be-a-great-trad/

[Grouse]

38 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Course there's a plan. During the campaign and currently, the plan is to quit the EU and set up free trade deals with the world, including Europe. Free movement of trade goods without the free movement of people. In other words a common market, which we were origionally told that we were joining.

 

 

Excellent! Great overview! 

 

But you miss everything except the bleeding obvious!

 

How are you going to keep us afloat without all the foreign capital coming in?

 

What about inflation which will surely rocket?

 

Are you going to do all these trade deals overnight?

 

How to stop a huge diminution in living standards?

 

Why not just give the UK to Disney and turn it into a holiday camp for people who want to live in the 50s?

 

?

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

 

 

The is no plan, it is a negotiation, you cannot plan a negotiation, you may have goals that you want to achieve but as for a plan ............ nonsense, the planning as far a brexit was when to file article 50 the rest is in the wind until talks start 

 

There might be a plan regarding actions once officially outside the EU like conducting trade negotiations with other countries - home affairs - foreign policy etc

 

Guess all those books written by academics, practitioners, business gurus, successful entrepreneurs etc were wrong then.

 

As well as all those professional exam syllabuses.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Talking of deja vu, Gove (he's a bit odd) is back!

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-lands-a-new-role-on-the-committee-overseeing-brexit-a7382061.html%3Famp?client=safari

 

"A bit odd" - understatement of the year award goes to Grousey.

 

He's raving and would be put down by flaying in any civilized country.

[Baerboxer]

Wonder how confident she is of winning the court case that she can just use the "Royal Prerogative" and avoid all that potential Tory blood letting if this ever gets to be debated properly in parliament in accordance with the law?

 

Dangerous precedent could be being set as parliament is undermined to keep Tory internal fighting from over spilling.

 

Regardless of whether you support Brexit or Remain, the most sinister thing is this attempted use of the RP to to try and cover up the government's cracks and their parties appalling lack of thinking about and pre-referendum planning. 

 

 

[Grouse]

15 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

Is David Frost move as adviser to Boris Johnson significant and an indication of a Norway style transitional approach  being considered

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1370960-sturgeon-s-brexit-adviser-goes-to-work-for-boris-johnson/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/dont-panic-heres-how-brexit-can-make-britain-can-be-a-great-trad/

 

This is very good news!

 

Frost is a top man. Gave a great performance on Any Questions a week or so ago.

 

His EU diplomatic experience will be extremely valuable.

 

I won't go into Boris' real views again but this is a good move!

[CharlieK]

21 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Excellent! Great overview! 

 

But you miss everything except the bleeding obvious!

 

How are you going to keep us afloat without all the foreign capital coming in?

 

What about inflation which will surely rocket?

 

Are you going to do all these trade deals overnight?

 

How to stop a huge diminution in living standards?

 

Why not just give the UK to Disney and turn it into a holiday camp for people who want to live in the 50s?

 

?

rubbish.

[Grouse]

5 minutes ago, CharlieK said:

rubbish.

 

Thank you for that polite, erudite response! ?

[CharlieK]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Thank you for that polite, erudite response! ?

you are welcome.

[dunroaming]

4 hours ago, jesimps said:

Course there's a plan. During the campaign and currently, the plan is to quit the EU and set up free trade deals with the world, including Europe. Free movement of trade goods without the free movement of people. In other words a common market, which we were origionally told that we were joining.

 

 

That's not the plan, that's the objective.  First you need a plan as to how you intend to negotiate the deals that will get you there.  The crucial thing to have people on the other side who are prepared to negotiate.

[dunroaming]

If we take a step back and look at where the UK is with it's political parties then it seems blindingly obvious that the country has woefully lost it's way.  There is a place for effective opposition to the Conservatives but the current contenders are floundering.  Is it time for a party with a new approach?  Could Zac and others offer something new?  I know we had a group before headed by Owen and Williams and that didn't work but this is now and politics are in  dire straits.