webfact Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 'Trump phenomenon' could be a lesson for Thailand: academics By WASAMON AUDJARINT THE NATION BANGKOK: -- AMERICAN VOTERS might not like the presidential candidates but today they will cast their ballots for either Democrat Hillary Clinton or Republican Donald Trump to show the world that their political system still functions, academics said yesterday. “Democracy is the US’s core. It’s a regime of the establishment and thus its stronghold,” said Siripan Nogsuan Sawasdee, a political scientist from Chulalongkorn University. Academics suggested Thailand could learn lessons from the Western political turmoil about democratic values amid the politically limited environment domestically. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/politics/30299405 -- © Copyright The Nation 2016-11-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Trump wants 35% importtax for every Mexican product coming to the USA. Will that also be for all Thai products coming to the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Well, most non Americans have no idea about this "democracy", for example, it is not one man one vote. But it is the best there is and so please let it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehowden Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 The US election fiasco is a very good reason why Thailand does not need Democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 48 minutes ago, Somtamnication said: Well, most non Americans have no idea about this "democracy", for example, it is not one man one vote. But it is the best there is and so please let it continue. Citizens United decision put 'Murica firmly in the Corporatocracy category, not the Democracy category. This bastardized version is hardly the best example of Democracy in the world today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The headline made me laugh so much. OK. So America as a model for democracy, is something Thailand can learn from? I could comment but I won't. That is so funny in itself. The Americans do have an option, something that is not offered here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The elites in America may hate the system at times, but they know it is the only system they have and it is to be protected. On the other hand, anonymous elites in Thailand like taking thuggish, short cuts at the expense of the the populous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullie Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Somtamnication said: Well, most non Americans have no idea about this "democracy", for example, it is not one man one vote. But it is the best there is and so please let it continue. Well, most Europeans have a perfect understanding of how real democracy works. It starts with 1 man, one vote. In our eyes it's just a little bit better than " the best there is". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exalll Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 3 hours ago, fruitman said: Trump wants 35% importtax for every Mexican product coming to the USA. Will that also be for all Thai products coming to the USA? I'm about as anti-Trump as you can get ... but that's not what he said. He said he would impose a 35% tax on any products made in Mexico (and by implication any other non-US country) by companies who had relocated their production facilities from the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, exalll said: I'm about as anti-Trump as you can get ... but that's not what he said. He said he would impose a 35% tax on any products made in Mexico (and by implication any other non-US country) by companies who had relocated their production facilities from the US So no importtax for "made in" China, Thailand, Europe or whatever except for Mexico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 America is so polarized like Thailand but no coup necessary. Democracy not perfect is still the best system for expressing your choice of leaders. Big lesson for Thailand not to force acceptance of unelected leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1995 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I don't think western democracy is very impressive. They voted for GW Bush and then turned around and voted for Obama. Why not just flip a coin? The economy there stinks and all this democracy has not improved anything for Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphototjes Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, fruitman said: So no importtax for "made in" China, Thailand, Europe or whatever except for Mexico? You have trouble understanding, don't you? Read again, something with relocating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 40 minutes ago, james1995 said: I don't think western democracy is very impressive. They voted for GW Bush and then turned around and voted for Obama. Why not just flip a coin? The economy there stinks and all this democracy has not improved anything for Americans. I would disagree. Western democracy done correctly is fair. One person one vote. The whole Bush Jr situation in Florida was farcical and was not western democracy at all. Just because the economy or social wellness doesn't improve, at least people have a choice to vote for change. the problem is at the moment is what each politician is saying for change never materializes. You of course may disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 hour ago, iphototjes said: You have trouble understanding, don't you? Read again, something with relocating So if Google opens up a headquarter in Europe (for tax-reasons) they will be charged importtax 35%. If Microsoft or Apple opens a factory in China (for cheap labour reasons) they also have to pay 35% when sold in the US. ONLY american companies who first produced in the US but moved their factory to abroad will be charged 35%? So if you close the American factory and open a new one in China under another name it's all fine.. Ridiculous rules but they'll find out soon...this will be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 “ 'Trump phenomenon' could be a lesson for Thailand: academics” They could build a wall on the Burmese border. BUT....Then where would they get their patsies to accuse for crimes that Thais commit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandemara Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Does it mean Thailand needs more Donald Trumps in its political system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, sandemara said: Does it mean Thailand needs more Donald Trumps in its political system? Some may argue that Thaksin was the Thai version of Donald Trump, a very rich man, at odds with the elite and establishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exalll Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, ratcatcher said: Some may argue that Thaksin was the Thai version of Donald Trump, a very rich man, at odds with the elite and establishment. Difference is ... much though I dislike Thaksin ... he was not an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 7 hours ago, webfact said: “Democracy is the US’s core Is that like what is left of an apple after it is eaten?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 7 hours ago, webfact said: It’s a regime of the establishment I guess that is why an anti-establishment candidate is giving the establishment candidate a run for her money. But in reality is there really such a thing as anti-establishment or just another form of establishment in disguise to take our eyes off of the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Bullie said: Well, most Europeans have a perfect understanding of how real democracy works. It starts with 1 man, one vote. In our eyes it's just a little bit better than " the best there is". Unfortunately there are issues with one-man-one-vote democracies. They can skew electoral power in several ways. Most obvious examples seen in countries/regional areas with disproportionate urban or rural populations - the needs of the majority often drown out the needs of the minority. There is some real merit in an electoral college system if it is fairly enacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 38 minutes ago, exalll said: Difference is ... much though I dislike Thaksin ... he was not an idiot. OK, but Trump "the idiot", has built a business empire and is running for POTUS, Thaksin OTOH is based in Dubai and a pariah or at least persona non grata in his own country. Does Trump have a criminal record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdkane Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 it was already a lesson...a succession of populist candidates won the pm position telling stupid people exactly what they wanted to hear...the result was cancerous corruption and another coup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khon Kaen Dave Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 If Thailand was to adopt the American style of elections,there would be (if it was really like the US) Defamation suites flying around all over the place.The candidates would never reach the voting day,because by then they would have shot each other.Each party would have hundreds of 'pretty's dancing on stage,stars from the Thai soaps would be guests on everybody's electoral stage.The candidates would be publicly kneeling on stage before a well known monk,praying,waiying and being given all sorts of amulets. It doesnt bare thinking about.Thailand will never be able to hold an non corrupted election,well,not for the next 20 years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travel2003 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 15 hours ago, fruitman said: Trump wants 35% importtax for every Mexican product coming to the USA. Will that also be for all Thai products coming to the USA? As long as they don't put that tax on his own "out-flagged" businesses, I guess it will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 well i am neither thai or american but i would say the system in america is still better than thailand although on second thought thailand is not currently bombing 7 other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Thai language subtitles on the Thai TV news coverage of the US election today referred to Trump as "Trum". If they can't even get that right there is little hope English will improve here any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 23 hours ago, williamgeorgeallen said: well i am neither thai or american but i would say the system in america is still better than thailand although on second thought thailand is not currently bombing 7 other countries. So bombing is always bad? No matter if when what, just bad right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, fruitman said: So bombing is always bad? No matter if when what, just bad right? i strongly believe that the 7 countries america is bombing should not be bombed by american drones. america is not even at war with these countries. i dont know how they get away with killing thousands of people at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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