SURVEY: Did the US elect the right person as President?

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

17 hours ago, tropo said:

Good answer, but unfortunately I had to read the crap that Publicus spouted in your quote as I have him where he deserves to be - on ignore. (You only have to ignore a couple of members and these threads improve immeasurably).

Just a point of order here:

If you ignore the views of the opposition, then you are not fully armed to counter their argument, and neglecting the whole point of Free Speech.

I know you can do this not only on TV but on most social media, but it weakens the debate and the knowledge all those that believe in a democratic system need.

I have to admit, I have blocked one or two idiots myself though! If they can't make an intelligent point they are not worth reading. All they have is the same old song

 

 

 

[KMartinHandyman]

"Survey says",,,,,Yup!

[lannarebirth]

7 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Seems Trump has a private position and a public position on each thing he says, or virtually each thing he says, which sounds virtually not virtuous. Next thing is he might start quoting HRC who'd anyway been quoting Lincoln.

 

Speaking of Abe, he freed the slaves while preserving the Union. Trump is instead preserving racism while freeing the racists. Republican Party has come full circle, i.e., it is now closed up and inside itself. 

 

Pretzel politics and government. 

 

There was a candidate running for president that did not hold differing public and private positions. That candidate was scandal free and attracted supporters across a broad swath of the political continuum. That candidate was undermined at every turn by a sophisticated and corrupt money machine and party apparatus. Lesson learned I hope. 

[lannarebirth]

5 hours ago, JLCrab said:

In the Borough of Manhattan, New York City -- home of Donald Trump and the soon-to-be Trump Tower White House on 5th Avenue -- Hillary Clinton received 87.2% of the popular vote. Such a ringing endorsement of Mr. Trump from those who know him best.

 

Yeah, but most Manhattanites think America ends at the Hudson River and that there is only wilderness beyond that.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Yeah, but most Manhattanites think America ends at the Hudson River and that there is only wilderness beyond that.

Same thing happened in London with the UK-EU ref.

Don't upset the apple cart!

[tropo]

1 hour ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Just a point of order here:

If you ignore the views of the opposition, then you are not fully armed to counter their argument, and neglecting the whole point of Free Speech.

I know you can do this not only on TV but on most social media, but it weakens the debate and the knowledge all those that believe in a democratic system need.

I have to admit, I have blocked one or two idiots myself though! If they can't make an intelligent point they are not worth reading. All they have is the same old song

 

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I blocked him long before this thread started. I get to see enough of his quoted nonsense to realise I made a good decision. Some people keep repeating the same crap over and over hoping it will stick.

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

 

There was a candidate running for president that did not hold differing public and private positions. That candidate was scandal free and attracted supporters across a broad swath of the political continuum. That candidate was undermined at every turn by a sophisticated and corrupt money machine and party apparatus. Lesson learned I hope. 

 

It would be nice if this election at least puts an end to the American practice of voting for the "lesser evil", though I doubt it will. Go the lesser evil route and with each ensuing election you find two, more evil people running than in the last election with you needing to choose which is less evil. Then the next election, same thing. It's a race to the bottom. Win or lose, vote for the candidate that takes your country forward.

Edited November 15, 2016 by lannarebirth

[Publicus]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

I blocked him long before this thread started. I get to see enough of his quoted nonsense to realise I made a good decision. Some people keep repeating the same crap over and over hoping it will stick.

 

You are not a person who falls into the category of posters I choose to ignore. (Your'e hardly ever personally offensive.)

 

First and foremost, I ignore people who focus on baiting me individually, trolling me individually, trying (really absurd nonsense) to provoke me in to making a reckless post that would cost me posting privileges. 

 

Then, yes, there are of course the just plain idiots. (Presently I'm at a record high of eight ignores, several the past few months, a few others for a couple of years.)

 

I read you because I enjoy making a reply. Piece of cake.

[NovaBlue05]

The non-US TVF voters say yes 62% vs 59% for US members. Looks like Trump has strong international approval

[Jingthing]

Extremely unscientific poll. 

In other words -- 100 percent WORTHLESS. 

Except for entertainment purposes, of course.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[Si Thea01]

Here's the latest from the cry baby set.  Facebook and Google are being accused of  causing HRC to lose because they did not remove alleged false news reports about Mr Trump.  Nothing said about the false polls who put out total BS in an effort to keep Republican voters at home. 

 

The second bit of news.  Guess which unbiased MSM (555) interviewed the ex-Greek Prime Minister about Mr Trumps economic policies?  No prizes, sorry.  Bringing lefty Greece, the biggest financial basket case into the fro has to be a joke.  He even commented on how Mr. Trump was causing a divide.

 

Gee, what does he call what happened in Greece with the riots, the cutting of pensions and other economic imposts placed on their citizens and who voted him out?  CNN, (oops gave the answer) unfortunately is the only crap MSM I get on my True package but if they keep going I won't have a TV soon, I keep throwing my shoes at it every time they spew forth the bile and misinformation.

[Si Thea01]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Extremely unscientific poll. 

In other words -- 100 percent WORTHLESS. 

Except for entertainment purposes, of course.

 

 

Says a lot about the US polls.  All predicted a HRC victory. If you don't mind I'll plagiarise you post to respond.   Extremely unscientific polls, in other words - 100 percent WORTHLESS.  Except for entertainment purposes, of course.  It has us rolling about the aisles.  

[NovaBlue05]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Extremely unscientific poll. 

In other words -- 100 percent WORTHLESS. 

Except for entertainment purposes, of course.

 

I seldom log onto TVF for anything more than entertainment purposes so it delivered! 

 

Besides , all the real-life "scientific" polls turned out even more worthless as they were being used to effect voters behavior rather than gauge voters opinion.

 

Took me off ignore?

[Si Thea01]

9 minutes ago, NovaBlue05 said:

 

I seldom log onto TVF for anything more than entertainment purposes so it delivered! 

 

Besides , all the real-life "scientific" polls turned out even more worthless as they were being used to effect voters behavior rather than gauge voters opinion.

 

Took me off ignore?

 

Never truer words said.

[JLCrab]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Yeah, but most Manhattanites think America ends at the Hudson River and that there is only wilderness beyond that.

Maybe so but did you ever hear of the expression 'favorite son'?

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, JLCrab said:

Maybe so but did you ever hear of the expression 'favorite son'?

 

Yes I have, but don't forget that Hillary in a politically savvy move, moved to NY just after leaving the White House expressly for the purpose of winning the pre-requisite election that would then allow her to launch her presidential bid.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Thakkar said:

 

I respect that. Personally, I thought Bernie would've brought the change America needs.

 

But here's the thing. Whatever her flaws, Hillary had the experience, skills and qualifications to do what is undoubtedly the hardest job in the world. I believe Obama spoke the truth when he said she is more qualified than him and more qualified than Bill.

 

Donald Trump has never had to do anything hard his whole life. He had the best breaks in life and started out with a fortune. POTUS is powerful, but also a public servant, constantly under scrutiny subject to constant criticism no matter what he does. Trump's always been a boss, never really answerable in the way a people's servant is. Can Trump learn to do a really, really difficult job as well as make a major attitude adjustment? For a 70-year-old, the latter may be harder than the former. And the former is pretty hard enough on its own.

 

The fact that he has failed at many businesses, including casinos (!) is not in itself damning. Some of the most successful people have emerged from earlier failures. More worrying is his record of conning his clients, stiffing contractors, money laundering and financial shenanigans leading to SEC fines.

 

Also worrying is his public shaming of women on their looks, disdain for POW's, vilifying of immigrants in a country founded by and made up of immigrants, disparaging an entire religion, denying established science and espousing loony conspiracy theories throughout his 18 month presidential campaign.

 

He has not released his tax returns or a credible medical report. He has lied about his business ties to Russia. He has released very few policy details.

 

All things considered, I believe Americans have made the wrong choice.

 

The way forward, as Bernie has said, is to work with Trump in areas where he has promised to improve working class lives and oppose him in areas where he tries to undermine core modern American values of inclusiveness compassion.

 

It would be a betrayal of Progressive values to behave in the same despicable way Republicans have with Obama over the last eight years

All things considered, if Americans elected a failed dogcatcher he would still be president, and entitled to the respect of the office.

All this wailing and complaining is just sour grapes, period.

If, in 4 years the Dems elect someone and the GOP riots in the streets it will be seen as the worst thing ever by terrible people, but the snowflakes will have only themselves to blame if this is the result for every election.

[boomerangutang]

12 hours ago, Thakkar said:

All the dead voters voting for Hillary seem to be in blue states that she would've won even without their help. These Dems! Can't even seem to get the dead people to vote at the right polling places!

 

But seriously, it's funny how Hillary winning the popular vote seems to be because dead people and illegals voting for her, but Trump winning the electoral vote isn't.

 

Every study re; voter cheating has found very little, comparatively.  The few cases found, usually favor Republican candidates.   

 

As for dead voters.  It's like non-used programs on a computer.  When you decide to not use a program, do you immediately delete the program from your computer?  Perhaps you do, sometimes, but it's doubtful you do it every time.  Sometimes an unused program will linger on a your computer for months or years.  

 

       Similar for unimportant emails.  If you delete each and every unused email the same day you realize its unimportant then you're stellar in the efficiency dept.    If a person showed up at a polling place who wanted to vote in the name of a dead person, it's doubtful that person would be allowed to.  Plus, is it worth getting arrested for breaking the law, just to cast one skewed vote?   Trump's grandstanding on that topic was a complete lie.  He knew it, but his dumbass sheeple lapped it up like ice cream dipped mayonnaise and frosted with sugar.   

[Dtrump]

8 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

 

Every study re; voter cheating has found very little, comparatively.  The few cases found, usually favor Republican candidates.   

 

As for dead voters.  It's like non-used programs on a computer.  When you decide to not use a program, do you immediately delete the program from your computer?  Perhaps you do, sometimes, but it's doubtful you do it every time.  Sometimes an unused program will linger on a your computer for months or years.  

 

       Similar for unimportant emails.  If you delete each and every unused email the same day you realize its unimportant then you're stellar in the efficiency dept.    If a person showed up at a polling place who wanted to vote in the name of a dead person, it's doubtful that person would be allowed to.  Plus, is it worth getting arrested for breaking the law, just to cast one skewed vote?   Trump's grandstanding on that topic was a complete lie.  He knew it, but his dumbass sheeple lapped it up like ice cream dipped mayonnaise and frosted with sugar.   

Nonsense post.  No link.  Not true.  You made the assertion.  You get to prove it. 

Edited November 16, 2016 by Dtrump

[JLCrab]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Yes I have, but don't forget that Hillary in a politically savvy move, moved to NY just after leaving the White House expressly for the purpose of winning the pre-requisite election that would then allow her to launch her presidential bid.

Right -- Hillary and Bill bought a house in  Chappaqua, Westchester County in 1999. Donald Trump was born in Queens and has lived in Manhattan his entire adult life. 

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, JLCrab said:

Right -- Hillary and Bill bought a house in  Chappaqua, Westchester County in 1999. Donald Trump was born in Queens and has lived in Manhattan his entire adult life. 

 

How much of the Clinton's estimated earnings of about $250 Million since leaving the White House do you think came from that little island?

[JLCrab]

3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

How much of the Clinton's estimated earnings of about $250 Million since leaving the White House do you think came from that little island?

I thought we were talking about Trump but a lot of corporations and trade associations all over the world were willing to pay Bill Clinton big bucks to appear.

For all his real estate holdings and other stuff in Manhattan, it doesn't seem that Trump has a lot of friends there, liberal bastion though it may be.

[lannarebirth]

Just now, JLCrab said:

I thought we were talking about Trump but a lot of corporations and trade associations all over the world were willing to pay Bill Clinton big bucks to appear.

For all his real estate holdings and other stuff in Manhattan, it doesn't seem that Trump has a lot of friends there, liberal bastion though it may be.

 

He has probably stiffed more than a few of them.

[JLCrab]

Well Hillary Clinton won the NY State Democratic primary roughly 60% to 40% over Bernie Sanders carrying Manhattan 2 to 1 so if the Manhattan-ites are not happy with Trump shoulda coulda woulda.

Edited November 16, 2016 by JLCrab

[charmonman]

On November 14, 2016 at 1:35 PM, kowpot said:

There are only two answers that make a difference.  " Yes, and I am a US citizen"  or  NO, and I am a US citizen.  Who cares what the rest of you think?  You have no dog in this fight.

Yes We do. The USA is capable of doing a hell of a lot of damage to the rest of the world, so having a rational president is important to the rest of us. No dog in this fight? Are you joking?

[tropo]

3 minutes ago, charmonman said:

Yes We do. The USA is capable of doing a hell of a lot of damage to the rest of the world, so having a rational president is important to the rest of us. No dog in this fight? Are you joking?

 

Non-US citizens can see it more objectively, unlike many Clinton cry babies on here.

[charmonman]

2 minutes ago, tropo said:

Non-US citizens can see it more objectively, unlike many Clinton cry babies on here.

Had it gone the other way, I'm pretty sure there would have been a lot of Trump whiners on here, probably babbling on about the "rigged system".

[tropo]

Just now, charmonman said:

Had it gone the other way, I'm pretty sure there would have been a lot of Trump whiners on here, probably babbling on about the "rigged system".

 

I don't think so. Trump supporters were more subdued and, thanks to polls and the media, were not overconfident about a win. Most everyone considered a Trump victory a long shot.

 

It was the over confidence of Clinton supporters that makes it so painful for them.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, charmonman said:

Had it gone the other way, I'm pretty sure there would have been a lot of Trump whiners on here, probably babbling on about the "rigged system".

That's putting it mildly. trump and Bannon already had a plan set to start a media empire entirely based on delegitimizing the Hillary presidency. Not surprising from trump. He started his political career with his racist "birther" movement  leadership which he stuck with for several years. Face it, trump never expected to win but losing close would have been a bonanza for him. Now he's actually got to do the job and he's clearly freaked out as he knows he's totally unqualified for it.