maybe do the survey again, after the Don has had a chance to address what he proclaimed as why he was running,

at the Genesis of his run for POTUS:

 

 

https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM

 

 If you're Muslim, forget about it. 

Until Muslim's can start to publicly critisize the killing of infidels for drawing a cartoon of their imaginary friend then they belong in their deserts and not in civilised society. I known Muslims and a long time ex is a moderate Muslim here but even she refused to say that Muslims are wrong for killing anyone who insults alah!!

Go trump!

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Both Hillary and Trump were awefull candidates. Infact, I don't like either the democrat or republican parties (yes, I'm leaving out the capital letters on purpose). All elections with only really only ether of those two silly parties having any chanche to come to power are a shame to democracy, and this election was an even bigger mess. 

 

The day that other parties also stand a fair chanche, such as the greens, liberals (libertarians for you Americans) etc. is the day democracy is restored. I'm not surprised that so many people didn't even bother to vote with such a screwed up system. 

12 minutes ago, WaywardWind said:

Not at all.  The inflation rate increases will hit the US residents first and hardest. They will also be the first to see costs of consumer goods rise dramatically because of the US imposed tariffs on goods from abroad.  Additionally, the loss of farm workers - voluntarily or involuntarily - will cause major increases in the cost of domestic agricultural foodstuffs.

 

Trump has trade wars written all over him.   He also said, "I'm great with debt!"

 

Translated, that means, 'I'm always riding on debt. I can get bank loans easier than you can pull the tab off a beer can.'   Trump could add:  "It started with my dad giving me millions of dollars, but we called it a debt. ha ha.   Then my dad co-signed for a 30 million dollar debt when I was in my 20's."   "Then my dad bought a million dollars of casino chips walked out without cashing them in.   Yea, it was an easy million dollar loan to me.  Was I going to pay my dad back?  Are you kidding?!  Oh, and the NJ gaming commission said I got an illegal loan (from my father?! Get real!) and forced me to pay a $60,000 fine.  So what.  Gain a quick 1 million, and pay a lousy $60,000 fine.  Big deal.  I told you I'm great with debt."    

 

"I'm also great with garnering investment money. I tell investors I've got the greatest and biggest casino in the world.  They come running to me, eager to pour their savings in my lap.  I love it.  Yea ok, so then I went bankrupt five times and split Atlantic City like a thief in the night.  So what if those investors lost their savings.  It benefitted me, and enabled my to get a jet with a gold plated toilet - so It's all fine, isn't it?   Like I say, I'm great with debt.  I'm going to shaft , um, I mean do for Americans what I did for my investors.  Oh wait, maybe I didn't word that right.   I mean, I'm going to make everybody rich like me.  There, that sounds better, doesn't it?  Don't you guys love me?  I'm going to make you all rich.  You'll love me.  It will be wonderful! believe me.  Have I ever lied to you?" 

 

"Melania, honey.  Take all this silver cutlery and get it gold plated, will you darling.  Oh and while your at it, have the White House plumber take all faucets and drains out......"

 

"all of them?"

 

"......don't interrupt me, darling.  Yes, have the plumbers take everything metal out, including doorknobs and  hinges, .....and have everything gold plated.  I want this place to look decent."

Now he's in, I want him to serve his full term.

Anything but Pence. He would be far worse, he's actually got a brain to go with his evil.

 

 

 

 

The right person for whose purposes? Those who wanted him to be elected, you can be sure he happens to be the right person for them. 

As far as people are concerned, it wasn't them and their little votes that got him elected so he might not be the right person for them. 

12 minutes ago, WaywardWind said:

Not at all.  The inflation rate increases will hit the US residents first and hardest. They will also be the first to see costs of consumer goods rise dramatically because of the US imposed tariffs on goods from abroad.  Additionally, the loss of farm workers - voluntarily or involuntarily - will cause major increases in the cost of domestic agricultural foodstuffs.

 

 

The trade-off for US imposed tariffs would be an increase in domestic production meaning more work available in the US. The idea is a higher quality of life to Americans. Ofcourse, we are always attempting to break down a complex study of economics into a couple of metrics and open ourselves up to argument for all the angles we did not include in our post. So yes, I think you are right that inflation would hit the US if these tariffs are imposed; however, Donald is simply laying the groundwork for a renegotiation. As we know, that means you come to the table full of demands you never intend to win, they are only there to make it appear like we are making concessions. 

 

As for the cost of fresh produce increasing in price. You are possibly making an assumption our itinerant fieldworkers are all illegals and will be sent home. This group of Hispanic labor is largely here legally. 

 

What would actually occur in the US if illegals are sent home is a shortage of labor resulting in higher wages so employers could attract the available workers. These higher labor costs would be passed on to the consumer. Eventually the employers may be forced to raise their wages so high that it actually starts attracting legal immigrants and Americans. (Up until 48 hours ago I used to think the young people in America would be willing to work these jobs if the wages were fair but seeing how so many are still throwing tantrums I highly doubt they would be able to handle an honest days work.) 

 

Since the American economy requires the labor provided by both the legal & illegal immigrants, the outcome of Trump policies will be more work visas being granted so we see more legal immigrants being allowed into the country than current numbers. This means those immigrants will be vetted and registered in a system so they become accountable. This means if they break our laws then we can identify them and they know they will not be allowed to return legally. It means they will begin to participate in our economy. It means that they will be protected by our US labor laws. It means they will start paying into SS and Medicare.

16 minutes ago, Donutz said:

Both Hillary and Trump were awefull candidates. Infact, I don't like either the democrat or republican parties (yes, I'm leaving out the capital letters on purpose). All elections with only really only ether of those two silly parties having any chanche to come to power are a shame to democracy, and this election was an even bigger mess. 

 

The day that other parties also stand a fair chanche, such as the greens, liberals (libertarians for you Americans) etc. is the day democracy is restored. I'm not surprised that so many people didn't even bother to vote with such a screwed up system. 

 

You can't really call Trump a Republican. He was actually an independent who needed the GOP machine for legitimacy. His base was Republican but he was not a Republican style candidate (politician). 

 

He was more along the lines of a lee Iococca, Ross Perot, Ron Paul outsider. 

 

Voters are getting sick of this two party system on both ends of the political spectrum. 

 

Cheers 

16 minutes ago, Chicog said:

Now he's in, I want him to serve his full term.

Anything but Pence. He would be far worse, he's actually got a brain to go with his evil.

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, even Chicog is a Trump supporter ;-)

5 hours ago, mania said:

 

It is not supposed to be a true democracy ........We are the USA... A Republic

 

It is not a compromise it was and is a brilliant solution to our unique situation of having United States 

 

 

A democratic republic I think (hope). Just like the BRD -Bundesrepublik Deutschland- (Federal republic of Germany) and République  Française (Republic of France) are repubics. Though all ofcourse with different electoral systems.

 

It does ofcourse make sense to adapt the electoral system according to the size, population distrubution etc. In theory a true democracy sounds nice though obviously it wouldn't work for many reasons such as voters only thinking in the short term, missing the complexity of issues or simply the risk of the largest cities effectively ruling over the nation and being able to make the countryside do their biddings. 

 

I do strongly dislike the electoral college system (USA) and first past the post (UK) system though as the way those are set up do not give fair representatation of what the people think. First thing comming to mind is UKIP (much as I dislike them) only getting one seat 

 while others with less votes got more seats. That feels like the basic essentials of democracy being raped and tossed aside. The electoral systems of the USA and UK need to be overhauled to more accurately represent the people. 

 

Much as I dislike Trump (and Hillary) and don't expect much good from him it would be welcome -though unlikely- if he could break the republicans (and democrats?) and begone with the broken electoral system that he himself cursed so much going by his 2012 tweets.

 

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

There are worse things than Trump and IMO a Pence presidency is one of them. And there are worse things than that too. Better to protest when there is cause for protest than the crying wolf that is going on now. No one will take it seriously otherwise..

If Trump would be impeached Pence would get to sit out the ride? That doesn't seem democratic to me either. If the leading party/person is removed from power by an upset majority of the people it only would make sense to have new elections as soon as possible and have the VP watch over things untill these elections have passed. 

5 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

You can't really call Trump a Republican. He was actually an independent who needed the GOP machine for legitimacy. His base was Republican but he was not a Republican style candidate (politician). 

 

He was more along the lines of a lee Iococca, Ross Perot, Ron Paul outsider. 

 

Voters are getting sick of this two party system on both ends of the political spectrum. 

 

Cheers 

I do realize, much like Sanders was not a democrat (and even admitted that I believe?) but jumped on the democratic party wagon to atleast have a change of winning since the USA sadly is in firm hands of two parties. Well and a few minor parties in the corner, having a few seats but they don't have any real say in the senat, congress etc. 

 

Sadly neither of the two parties has any real reason to change this twisted version of democracy so we'd could only hope that the American people will eventually implode those two parties. Sanders and Trump had a fair shot at doing so but I'd fear it would take decades to come to see any real change and even that is a very overly optimistic look.   

Trump winning 58% of the popular vote among eligible voters. 

 

If Hillary would have been elected and something happened, how would you feel having Kaine as president?

10 hours ago, Dagnabbit said:

Of course the right person got elected. He won. That's democracy.


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You seem to have misunderstood the question, it is not whether the election was fair and legal, it is if America has chosen the right person as president, like out of the hundreds of millions of Americans, is Trump really the best man for the job?

Yes when trump is impeached sadly he will be replaced by the far right extremist fundamentalist Pence. So progressives are screwed regardless.

1 minute ago, NovaBlue05 said:

Trump winning 58% of the popular vote among eligible voters. 

 

 What do you mean eligible? Are you talking about removing votes from dead voters and multiple voters? The democrat motto of vote soon and often?

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes when trump is impeached sadly he will be replaced by the far right extremist fundamentalist Pence. So progressives are screwed regardless.

 

You haven't given your opinion about Kaine.

5 minutes ago, NovaBlue05 said:

Trump winning 58% of the popular vote among eligible voters. 

 

 

You are seriously referring to white people as "eligible voters"?

3 minutes ago, Gary A said:

If Hillary would have been elected and something happened, how would you feel having Kaine as president?

 

 

I had him as Governor. Governor's are only elected for one- 4 year term in Virginia. He rode into office on Mark Warner's coattails and was completely absentee his entire last two years because he was busy with national DNC activities to get Obama elected. I can see why Hillary picked him as he is an obedient party lapdog

Hell no, the best person to be President is probably flipping burghers. People who seek power are the worst ones to have it, and those with a "vision" are the worst of all. 

9 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

The trade-off for US imposed tariffs would be an increase in domestic production meaning more work available in the US. The idea is a higher quality of life to Americans. Ofcourse, we are always attempting to break down a complex study of economics into a couple of metrics and open ourselves up to argument for all the angles we did not include in our post. So yes, I think you are right that inflation would hit the US if these tariffs are imposed; however, Donald is simply laying the groundwork for a renegotiation. As we know, that means you come to the table full of demands you never intend to win, they are only there to make it appear like we are making concessions. 

 

As for the cost of fresh produce increasing in price. You are possibly making an assumption our itinerant fieldworkers are all illegals and will be sent home. This group of Hispanic labor is largely here legally. 

 

What would actually occur in the US if illegals are sent home is a shortage of labor resulting in higher wages so employers could attract the available workers. These higher labor costs would be passed on to the consumer. Eventually the employers may be forced to raise their wages so high that it actually starts attracting legal immigrants and Americans. (Up until 48 hours ago I used to think the young people in America would be willing to work these jobs if the wages were fair but seeing how so many are still throwing tantrums I highly doubt they would be able to handle an honest days work.) 

 

Since the American economy requires the labor provided by both the legal & illegal immigrants, the outcome of Trump policies will be more work visas being granted so we see more legal immigrants being allowed into the country than current numbers. This means those immigrants will be vetted and registered in a system so they become accountable. This means if they break our laws then we can identify them and they know they will not be allowed to return legally. It means they will begin to participate in our economy. It means that they will be protected by our US labor laws. It means they will start paying into SS and Medicare.

Producing goods in the US will cost substantially more, so while there may well be more jobs in manufacturing, the cost of the items will increase exponentially, hardly a benefit for US consumers.

 

Donald a good negotiator? Tell that to all of the contractors, tradesmen, and suppliers that he as stiffed over the past decades. His idea of negotiation is to agree to a price for a given service or item, then refuse to pay and threaten the other party with long drawn out litigation. He can do that with small businessmen, but he will get eaten alive when he tries it with large multinationals.

 

Americans working in the fields? You are seriously dreaming. Donald promised the folks in Michigan that he would bring back jobs. They were thinking like the old days when a worker on the line made $60,000+. Do you really think they will work the fields picking lettuce for $24K? Even if a way was found to get the lettuce picked in exchange for higher wages, how long will American families put up with paying $8 for a head of lettuce that now costs $1.25?

 

What you propose is deport the illegal immigrants, subject them to a lengthy process to re-enter legally, and then paying them higher wages to do their old jobs. The costs for such a process for the millions of people involved would be astronomical. Why not simply give them a path while they are here now: register them, vet them in place (deporting the undesirables), and then let the majority stay and continue working? Why pay the billions needed to deport them all, severely disrupting their lives and more generally, the American economy?

 

1 minute ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

You are seriously referring to white people as "eligible voters"?

 

 

The media and DNC have sorted out how to include the deceased vote and the illegal alien vote but  hasn't yet figured out the test to sort out how to exclude the voter because they are "too white" (ie: not "Progressive").

You may be right. If I had the money Trump and crooked Hillary have, No way would I want the headaches that come as president.

17 minutes ago, Donutz said:

A democratic republic I think (hope). Just like the BRD -Bundesrepublik Deutschland- (Federal republic of Germany) and République  Française (Republic of France) are repubics. Though all ofcourse with different electoral systems.

 

It does ofcourse make sense to adapt the electoral system according to the size, population distrubution etc. In theory a true democracy sounds nice though obviously it wouldn't work for many reasons such as voters only thinking in the short term, missing the complexity of issues or simply the risk of the largest cities effectively ruling over the nation and being able to make the countryside do their biddings. 

 

I do strongly dislike the electoral college system (USA) and first past the post (UK) system though as the way those are set up do not give fair representatation of what the people think. First thing comming to mind is UKIP (much as I dislike them) only getting one seat 

 while others with less votes got more seats. That feels like the basic essentials of democracy being raped and tossed aside. The electoral systems of the USA and UK need to be overhauled to more accurately represent the people. 

 

Much as I dislike Trump (and Hillary) and don't expect much good from him it would be welcome -though unlikely- if he could break the republicans (and democrats?) and begone with the broken electoral system that he himself cursed so much going by his 2012 tweets.

 

If Trump would be impeached Pence would get to sit out the ride? That doesn't seem democratic to me either. If the leading party/person is removed from power by an upset majority of the people it only would make sense to have new elections as soon as possible and have the VP watch over things untill these elections have passed. 

 

A new election would take 2 years. The full term was only 4 years. Far more productive if the VP is allowed to advance. 

 

These idiots are already subjecting us to a campaign cycle in perpetuity. 

3 minutes ago, nausea said:

Hell no, the best person to be President is probably flipping burghers. People who seek power are the worst ones to have it, and those with a "vision" are the worst of all. 

 

All the people around here flipping burgers only speak espanol.

11 minutes ago, Gary A said:

 What do you mean eligible? Are you talking about removing votes from dead voters and multiple voters? The democrat motto of vote soon and often?

Hopefully, TVF voting apparatus is more secure than the real one

1 minute ago, NovaBlue05 said:

 

 

The media and DNC have sorted out how to include the deceased vote and the illegal alien vote but  hasn't yet figured out the test to sort out how to exclude the voter because they are "too white" (ie: not "Progressive").

 

The question was if you were seriously referring to white people as being THE eligible vote?  So were you?

8 minutes ago, WaywardWind said:

Producing goods in the US will cost substantially more, so while there may well be more jobs in manufacturing, the cost of the items will increase exponentially, hardly a benefit for US consumers.

 

Donald a good negotiator? Tell that to all of the contractors, tradesmen, and suppliers that he as stiffed over the past decades. His idea of negotiation is to agree to a price for a given service or item, then refuse to pay and threaten the other party with long drawn out litigation. He can do that with small businessmen, but he will get eaten alive when he tries it with large multinationals.

 

Americans working in the fields? You are seriously dreaming. Donald promised the folks in Michigan that he would bring back jobs. They were thinking like the old days when a worker on the line made $60,000+. Do you really think they will work the fields picking lettuce for $24K? Even if a way was found to get the lettuce picked in exchange for higher wages, how long will American families put up with paying $8 for a head of lettuce that now costs $1.25?

 

What you propose is deport the illegal immigrants, subject them to a lengthy process to re-enter legally, and then paying them higher wages to do their old jobs. The costs for such a process for the millions of people involved would be astronomical. Why not simply give them a path while they are here now: register them, vet them in place (deporting the undesirables), and then let the majority stay and continue working? Why pay the billions needed to deport them all, severely disrupting their lives and more generally, the American economy?

 

You could have said that you Support Hillary Clinton and the status quo

Clinton would have been business as usual. She would have been building her billion dollar corrupt retirement fund, being the Clinton foundation. Providing favors to all the countries who are in direct conflict with everything we as American have put down our lives to protect.
Trump is change which we desperately needed. Just look at the "Stars" that Clinton had rapping hate. Look at the people in the streets chatting curse words and disrespecting our president elect. Children live in these areas where these filthy mouth low lifes are shouting their F words for everyone to hear. They talked about trump saying something in a private conversation .... unbelievable how these people act and how dare they criticize Trump.
I was a Bernie supporter but after the DNCs corrupt, dishonest actions and all the scandals involving the Clintons how could I support anyone but Trump. How others can support Clinton is beyond my comprehension.
God Bless America and our new President !!!

We haven't since Harry Truman, why should we start now ?