Michigan to begin recount; legal fight moves to Pennsylvania

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Michigan to begin recount; legal fight moves to Pennsylvania 
SCOTT BAUER, Associated Press

 

Presidential candidate Jill Stein's fight to force presidential recounts in three states focuses Monday on Pennsylvania, where her Green Party is seeking an emergency federal court order for a statewide recount, and Michigan, where a federal judge has ordered a hand recount to begin by noon.

 

The recount is underway in Wisconsin.

 

President-elect Donald Trump narrowly defeated Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in all three states. The recounts were not expected to change enough votes to overturn the result of the election.

 

Stein says her intent is to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, with no evidence, that votes cast were susceptible to computer hacking.

 

She has also scheduled a rally and news conference for Monday morning outside Trump Tower in New York.

 

Here's what's going on in each state and in Nevada, where a partial recount of the race was requested by independent presidential candidate Roque De La Fuente:

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WISCONSIN

The recount began Thursday and continued over the weekend, with little change so far in the unofficial results as reported on election night. A federal lawsuit was filed late last week by a Trump voter and two super PACs seeking to stop the recount. The judge rejected a request to halt the recount while the lawsuit is pending and scheduled a hearing for Friday. State and local election officials have all said they don't expect Clinton to surpass Trump in Wisconsin, where he won by about 22,000 votes.

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MICHIGAN

A federal judge late Sunday night in Detroit ordered a statewide hand recount of roughly 4.8 million ballots to start by noon Monday. Trump won the state by about 10,700 votes, or two-tenths of a percentage point, over Clinton.

 

Stein argued that a law is unconstitutional that requires a break of at least two business days after the Board of Canvassers' final action on a recount request. Judge Mark Goldsmith found that Stein had "shown the likelihood of irreparable harm" if the count was delayed even by two days and rejected the state's arguments about the cost to taxpayers.

 

Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes, or two-tenths of a percentage point, in Michigan. Stein received about 1 percent of the vote.

Republican Attorney General Bill Schuette, the Trump campaign and super PACs have filed separate lawsuits asking state courts to prevent the recount, arguing that Stein, as the fourth-place finisher, is not "aggrieved" because she has no chance of winning in a recount.

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PENNSYLVANIA

The Green Party said Saturday it will seek help in federal court to force a statewide recount — a move that came hours after the party dropped a case set to be argued Monday in state courts. An updated count Friday by state election officials showed Trump's lead shrinking to 49,000 from 71,000 over Clinton, out of 6 million votes cast, as more counties finish counting overseas ballots and settled provisional ballot challenges. That is still shy of Pennsylvania's 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount. Stein drew less than 1 percent of the votes cast. Final counts are outstanding in some counties, but there are not enough uncounted votes to change the outcome, officials say.

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NEVADA

A recount of a sample of ballots has begun in Nevada, at the request of De La Fuente. Clinton won in Nevada, and De La Fuente finished last. But De La Fuente requested and paid about $14,000 last week for the recount, which he called a counterbalance to the review sought by Stein in Wisconsin. Nevada Secretary of State spokeswoman Gail Anderson said late last week that the recount of ballots from Carson City and Douglas, Mineral, Nye and Clark counties should be completed by Friday. If the sample shows a discrepancy of at least 1 percent for De La Fuente or Clinton, a full recount will be launched in all 17 Nevada counties. Clinton won the state by 27,202 votes over Trump, out of 1.1 million votes cast.

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Associated Press writers David Eggert in Lansing, Michigan; Marc Levy in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; and Ken Ritter in Las Vegas contributed to this report.

 

-- © Associated Press 2016-12-05

[Enoon]

 

I'm not an American so I'm not sure, but have we yet to hear the fat lady sing?

 

Some people may not like it but, in law, is that not the case?

 

It's always that horrible "Law" in the West isn't it?

 

Much nicer in Thailand. 

[daveAustin]

Pathetic.

[IAMHERE]

" A federal judge late Sunday night in Detroit ordered a statewide hand recount of roughly 4.8 million ballots to start by noon Monday. Trump won the state by about 10,700 votes, or two-tenths of a percentage point, over Clinton. "

" Stein says her intent is to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, with no evidence, that votes cast were susceptible to computer hacking. "

Somebody is very clever if they can 'computer hack' votes that are now hand counted. I thought hand count would be paper ballots and chads type of thing. What bits and bytes are going to be hand counted ? 

I wonder what the real reason is for wanting a recount by Stein?

 

[bark]

Not sure if she and the other party, hurt or helped Trump win ?

But what is done is done.

Sad waste of about 10 million dollars.

Roller coaster ride for the world, for four years. And I'm not sure, if more ups or downs ?

 

[Grubster]

4 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

" A federal judge late Sunday night in Detroit ordered a statewide hand recount of roughly 4.8 million ballots to start by noon Monday. Trump won the state by about 10,700 votes, or two-tenths of a percentage point, over Clinton. "

" Stein says her intent is to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, with no evidence, that votes cast were susceptible to computer hacking. "

Somebody is very clever if they can 'computer hack' votes that are now hand counted. I thought hand count would be paper ballots and chads type of thing. What bits and bytes are going to be hand counted ? 

I wonder what the real reason is for wanting a recount by Stein?

 

I'm guessing the computer ballots are printed and stored. 

[Grubster]

Can you imagine the uprising there would be if it did get overturned. WoW it would be total mayhem. We would probably find out what the second amendment was for.

[dave_boo]

It's ridiculous. She had no right to demand a recount as she was not even close to being a contender. She claims that she's worried about electronic ballots...and at least Michigan, perhaps more States, uses paper.

 

Such a toxic environment with sore losers who have been told their entire life they're special snowflakes who get a medal for participating.

 

And in case anyone is thinking it; no I am not happy with the results. Have been voting 3rd party since I was able to.

[Langsuan Man]

I'm sorry but with all the news stories about Russian interference with the US election process makes me wonder

 

Not to mention the very fact that all the WikiLeaks stuff originated from Russian hacking I welcome a US wide recount, not because I think that there was any voter fraud committed by either party but this Russian connection has me worried 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Langsuan Man said:

I'm sorry but with all the news stories about Russian interference with the US election process makes me wonder

 

Not to mention the very fact that all the WikiLeaks stuff originated from Russian hacking I welcome a US wide recount, not because I think that there was any voter fraud committed by either party but this Russian connection has me worried 

That was addressed BEFORE the election.

 

To have a recount at this stage is a very bad idea. There is no chance they could be completed in time to allow an orderly change if, by some microscopic possibility it was found that Trump actually lost in all 3 states. One of the states actually has to be completed by December 13.

So, if evidence was found that indicated the Russians had hacked the election, what then? Run another election? Would Obama still be president after January 20? Would it go to congress? Would it cause untold chaos? Would it cost the taxpayers billions?

 

Either this makes no difference and is a waste of money, or it causes chaos.

 

Stein is either playing a very devious game, or she is a nutter, IMO.

 

 

[Andaman Al]

On 12/7/2016 at 10:54 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

That was addressed BEFORE the election.

 

To have a recount at this stage is a very bad idea. There is no chance they could be completed in time to allow an orderly change if, by some microscopic possibility it was found that Trump actually lost in all 3 states. One of the states actually has to be completed by December 13.

So, if evidence was found that indicated the Russians had hacked the election, what then? Run another election? Would Obama still be president after January 20? Would it go to congress? Would it cause untold chaos? Would it cost the taxpayers billions?

 

Either this makes no difference and is a waste of money, or it causes chaos.

 

Stein is either playing a very devious game, or she is a nutter, IMO.

 

 

 

My bold.

 

Untold chaos or not, it would show that Trump was not democratically elected but put in office by the USA's enemy. I guess from what you say you would then just accept that as it would be too difficult to deal with? Yes, you run another election, yes you spend billions, whatever it takes to ensure that your foundation of democracy is not made a sham of by your enemy of 60 years.

Edited December 8, 2016 by metisdead
Bold font removed. Please do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes.

[Diplomatico]

So far Trump has added another 146 votes in Wisconsin.  

 

http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Recount-Trump-adds-to-lead-in-Wisconsin-judge-orders-hearing-for-Pennsylvania-rew-405068986.html

 

And - surprise! - the voting precincts in the Clinton stronghold of Detroit are having problems because the number of ballots don't match the numbers of votes.  (Dems must be furious with Stein for bumbling her way into uncovering their ballot stuffing machinations.)

 

"Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.

 

According to state law, precincts whose poll books don’t match with ballots can’t be recounted. If that happens, original election results stand."

 

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/  

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Diplomatico said:

So far Trump has added another 146 votes in Wisconsin.  

 

http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Recount-Trump-adds-to-lead-in-Wisconsin-judge-orders-hearing-for-Pennsylvania-rew-405068986.html

 

And - surprise! - the voting precincts in the Clinton stronghold of Detroit are having problems because the number of ballots don't match the numbers of votes.  (Dems must be furious with Stein for bumbling her way into uncovering their ballot stuffing machinations.)

 

"Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.

 

According to state law, precincts whose poll books don’t match with ballots can’t be recounted. If that happens, original election results stand."

 

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/  

Absolutely classic. The sour grapes club must be wetting themselves in anger.

[Saastrajaa]

On 12/6/2016 at 8:04 PM, dave_boo said:

It's ridiculous. She had no right to demand a recount as she was not even close to being a contender. She claims that she's worried about electronic ballots...and at least Michigan, perhaps more States, uses paper.

 

Such a toxic environment with sore losers who have been told their entire life they're special snowflakes who get a medal for participating.

 

And in case anyone is thinking it; no I am not happy with the results. Have been voting 3rd party since I was able to.

 

Nobody's as fragile a snowflake as this douchebag, though...amirite?

[NeverSure]

19 minutes ago, Saastrajaa said:

 

Nobody's as fragile a snowflake as this douchebag, though...amirite?

 

That isn't Trump. That's a fake.

[NeverSure]

After the recounts, Hillary will be the first person in history to lose a US presidential election three times.

[Dagnabbit]

1 minute ago, NeverSure said:

After the recounts, Hillary will be the first person in history to lose a US presidential election three times.

 

lol!